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PostPosted: 06/08/20 11:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The issue of defunding police is obviously complex. Over the past 20 years the role of police has grown dramatically. Get police out of schools, I agree, but what takes its place. Get police and jails out of mental health and alcohol and drug abuse, but what takes its place.

I agree that the police should not have been militarized; repurposing tanks and other tools of war was a mistake and that should be undone for all but the most serious situations. I agree that the Rehnquist standard that gave rise to institutional immunity (Graham vs. Connor) must be tightened. I also believe that chokeholds and other similar police tactics should be banned. And I believe that police accountability must be increased through civilian review boards, public information on complaints and perhaps even a 3 strikes policy on officer misconduct.

But overall I believe defunding of the police is very likely to create more, not fewer, problems. Accountability costs money, training costs money, and getting more competent police costs money.


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PostPosted: 06/09/20 8:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 06/09/20 2:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The City That Remade Its Police Department
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department

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“What we’re experiencing today in Camden is the result of many years of deposits in the relationship bank account,” says Scott Thomson, Camden’s chief of police until 2019. He led the city’s high-profile pivot to community policing from 2013 until last year and oversaw what turned out to be a steep decline in crime. Homicides in Camden reached 67 in 2012; the figure for 2019 was 25. Over the past seven years, the department has undertaken some of the most far-reaching police reforms in the country, and its approach has been praised by former President Barack Obama.


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While many departments define “reasonable” force in the line of duty vaguely, Camden’s definition is much clearer. The department adopted an 18-page use-of-force policy in 2019, developed with New York University’s Policing Project. The rules emphasize that de-escalation has to come first. Deadly force—such as a chokehold or firing a gun—can only be used in certain situations, once every other tactic has been exhausted. “It requires that force is not only reasonable and necessary, but that it’s proportionate,” says Farhang Heydari, executive director of the Policing Project. Most important, “they’re requirements. They’re not suggestions.”


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By the department’s account, reports of excessive force complaints in Camden have dropped 95% since 2014.


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“I think the challenge is that you have 18,000 police departments” in the U.S., says Thomson. “It’s an industry that generally is averse to any type of change. The only time change comes is when it’s compelled.”



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PostPosted: 06/10/20 7:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 06/11/20 9:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

2016 regarding the Philando Castile shooting:

jammerbirdi wrote:

We're doing this all wrong on so many levels. It's truly tragic. Get a license plate and issue the citation by mail for a busted tail light. If you have a bad address and it doesn't get to the owner of the vehicle OH WELL. It's a freaking busted tail light.

Train the police not better but DIFFERENTLY. TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS. Give them less options to fire into a car with a woman and a kid when you are requiring them to reach for a drivers license. Put a fucking copy of the drivers license on some kind of display like a taxi driver. So cops aren't initiating this physical transaction of a citizen with a busted tail light having to reach for something which freaks out Barney fucking Fife who then shoots him. Let's do some things differently.



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PostPosted: 06/13/20 9:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Retired NYPD spokesman says ‘we killed Eric Garner’ in emotional post



https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/ex-nypd-spokesman-says-we-killed-eric-garner-in-emotional-post/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR2PQ1BiWgKLD0IffWuBEolI0SaNWeNsn2U5XQrwLeJsuBcAVvssMy33Bgs

I guess there is something about a tax payer funded full benefits retirement package that just frees the soul.



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PostPosted: 06/15/20 5:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trump says he will sign police reform executive order on Tuesday

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WASHINGTON, June 15 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday he will sign an executive order on police reform and hold a news conference on Tuesday, after several weeks of nationwide protests sparked by the death of African-American George Floyd while in police custody in Minneapolis.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-will-sign-police-reform-executive-order-on-tuesday/ar-BB15waM6?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout



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PostPosted: 06/18/20 7:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Glad we heard from somebody in the "superpredator" administration

Another symptom of the problem...




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PostPosted: 06/25/20 11:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

3 North Carolina police officers fired over racist rants
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article243779512.html

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Three members of a North Carolina police department have been fired after a department audit of a video recording captured one of the officers saying a civil war was necessary to wipe Black people off the map and that he was ready.

The Wilmington Police Department took the action on Tuesday against Cpl. Jessie Moore, and officers Kevin Piner and Brian Gilmore. Each was accused of violating standards of conduct, criticism and use of inappropriate jokes and slurs.


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According to documents released by the police department, a sergeant was conducting a video audit as part of a monthly inspection and was reviewing footage from Piner’s car that had been classified as “accidental activation.” After the sergeant listened to the conversation and determined comments made by Piner and Moore were “extremely racist,” she contacted the department administrator for the camera system.

At the 46-minute mark of the video, Piner and Gilmore began talking from their respective cars, at which time Piner criticized the department, saying its only concern was “kneeling down with the black folks.” About 30 minutes later, Piner received a phone call from Moore, according to the investigation, a segment in which Moore referred to a Black female as a “negro.” He also referred to the woman by using a racial slur. He repeated the use of the slur in describing a Black magistrate, and Moore used a gay slur to describe the magistrate as well.

Later, according to the investigation, Piner told Moore that he feels a civil war is coming and that he is ready. Piner said he was going to buy a new assault rifle, and soon “we are just going to go out and start slaughtering them (expletive)” Blacks. “I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.” Moore responded that he wouldn’t do that.

Piner then told Moore that he felt a civil war was needed to “wipe them off the (expletive) map. That’ll put them back about four or five generations.” Moore told Piner he was “crazy,” and the recording stopped a short time later.


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PostPosted: 06/26/20 7:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Campaign To Remove NYPD From Traffic Enforcement Gains Steam

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/06/25/campaign-to-remove-nypd-from-traffic-enforcement-gains-steam/

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Streetsblog recently reported that of the 440 tickets police issued to people for biking on the sidewalk in 2018 and 2019, 374 — or 86.4 percent — of those where race was listed went to Black and Hispanic New Yorkers. The wildly disproportionate stats followed another report showing that cops issued 99 percent of jaywalking tickets to Black and Hispanic people in the first quarter of this year.



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PostPosted: 07/01/20 11:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tear the system down, fire racist cops, they should be easy to find by their history. Then who is left needs to be retrained. New officers need a rigorous background check and then 2 years of training. Other countries have two to three years training and they don’t have the problems this country has.



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