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PostPosted: 05/25/20 6:08 pm    ::: Who is the Greatest WNBA Coach of All Time? Reply Reply with quote

https://wbasketballblog.com/2020/05/25/who-is-the-greatest-wnba-coach-of-all-time-tournament-bracket-challenge/

Another bracket challenge!

Only 16 entries on this one, however. 64 was excessive.



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PostPosted: 05/25/20 11:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I’m sure Shades and Space would have something to say about Reeve being the #1 seed while Van sits at #2 . He won 4 straight for geez sakes !! Never been accomplished again. I’d swap those two seeds.



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PostPosted: 05/25/20 11:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I’m sure Shades and Space would have something to say about Reeve being the #1 seed while Van sits at #2 . He won 4 straight for geez sakes !! Never been accomplished again. I’d swap those two seeds.


Reeve should lose this poll as the "#1 overall seed", like she lost in 2012 & 2016 as the #1 overall seed. ☠ Or lose in the first round like the past two years.

Maya Moore and Angel McCoughtry should be the top seeds in this for making their coaches look good and respectable respectively. Very Happy


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PostPosted: 05/26/20 8:00 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind a poll for the worst WNBA coach of all time.

Nolan Richardson?
Greg Williams?
Cathy Parson?
Jim Lewis?
Teresa Edwards?
Dave Cowens?
Katie Smith?
John Shumate?



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 8:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe you could have done 32, but there's some notable exclusions. Not that any of them would've won, but it make for some interesting challenges. Miller's Mercury team was a game away from winning the 1998 title.

Carol Ross: 58-32 record(Sparks '12-'14)
Sonny Allen: 46-30 record(Monarchs '98-'01)
Cheryl Miller: 70-52 record(Mercury '97-'00)
Brian Winters: 78-58 record(Fever '04-'07)



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 8:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

We discussed 32 or 24. We also discussed an even smaller field.

16 meant we got every coach with a ring and every coach with multiple finals appearances, a total of 15 coaches, plus one extra.



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 9:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
I wouldn't mind a poll for the worst WNBA coach of all time.

Nolan Richardson?
Greg Williams?
Cathy Parson?
Jim Lewis?
Teresa Edwards?
Dave Cowens?
Katie Smith?
John Shumate?


I was thinking the same thing - would be more fun to debate who was worse. You left out Trudy Lacey. Also, where is Amber Stocks. Not the worst, but "in the conversation." Smile



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 9:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Also, where is Amber Stocks. Not the worst, but "in the conversation." Smile


Reeve 3-3 in her career against Stocks, and at least Stocks traded a law student for Diamond DeShields instead of deciding to turn another team into a dynasty for a 2nd round pick. Smile


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PostPosted: 05/26/20 10:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I wouldn't mind a poll for the worst WNBA coach of all time.

Nolan Richardson?
Greg Williams?
Cathy Parson?
Jim Lewis?
Teresa Edwards?
Dave Cowens?
Katie Smith?
John Shumate?


I was thinking the same thing - would be more fun to debate who was worse. You left out Trudy Lacey. Also, where is Amber Stocks. Not the worst, but "in the conversation." :)


Lacey's combined numbers aren't half bad due to her first two years in Charlotte. But her two seasons in DC are one of the worst. Stocks' record isn't even in the top 10 worst. Her record was 25-43 in her two seasons with Chicago.

Top 10 worst records by head coaches in the WNBA(minimum 20 games):

1. Teresa Edwards: 2-21(Tulsa '11)
2. Dave Cowens: 5-29(Chicago '06)
3. Nolan Richardson: 7-38(Tulsa '10-'11)
4. Vickie Johnson: 8-26(San Antonio '17)
4. John Shumate: 8-26(Phoenix '03)
6. Greg Williams: 10-32(Detroit '01-'02)
7. T.R. Dunn: 8-24(Charlotte '00)
8. Katie Smith: 17-51(New York '18-'19)
9. Denise Taylor: 13-34(Utah '97-'98)
10. Trudy Lacey: 48-112(Charlotte '03-'06/Washington '11-'12)



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 10:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Celebrity hires -- Cowens, Edwards, Richardson -- are usually a bad idea.

And to bang my drum again, being a good player requires a different skill set than being a good coach.



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 10:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Celebrity hires -- Cowens, Edwards, Richardson -- are usually a bad idea.

Of course if he hadn't worked out, Laimbeer would be considered part of that list. So there are exceptions.



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 11:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Randy wrote:
toad455 wrote:
I wouldn't mind a poll for the worst WNBA coach of all time.

Nolan Richardson?
Greg Williams?
Cathy Parson?
Jim Lewis?
Teresa Edwards?
Dave Cowens?
Katie Smith?
John Shumate?


I was thinking the same thing - would be more fun to debate who was worse. You left out Trudy Lacey. Also, where is Amber Stocks. Not the worst, but "in the conversation." Smile



Lacey's combined numbers aren't half bad due to her first two years in Charlotte. But her two seasons in DC are one of the worst. Stocks' record isn't even in the top 10 worst. Her record was 25-43 in her two seasons with Chicago.

Top 10 worst records by head coaches in the WNBA(minimum 20 games):

1. Teresa Edwards: 2-21(Tulsa '11)
2. Dave Cowens: 5-29(Chicago '06)
3. Nolan Richardson: 7-38(Tulsa '10-'11)
4. Vickie Johnson: 8-26(San Antonio '17)
4. John Shumate: 8-26(Phoenix '03)
6. Greg Williams: 10-32(Detroit '01-'02)
7. T.R. Dunn: 8-24(Charlotte '00)
8. Katie Smith: 17-51(New York '18-'19)
9. Denise Taylor: 13-34(Utah '97-'9Cool
10. Trudy Lacey: 48-112(Charlotte '03-'06/Washington '11-'12)


Edwards inherited the mess created by Richardson, so her losses in Tulsa shouldn't count enough to put her above Richardson.

As for Lacey - she has more losses than the first 3 on your list combined. She was one of the worst for the longest time....
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PostPosted: 05/26/20 11:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Back to the best discussion: Van Chancellor not only had the best players, the level of coaching in the early days was pretty bad -- and some that were good (Brian Agler) were in the ABL.

So Van doesn't get my vote, at least in the later rounds.



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 2:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Back to the best discussion: Van Chancellor not only had the best players, the level of coaching in the early days was pretty bad -- and some that were good (Brian Agler) were in the ABL.

So Van doesn't get my vote, at least in the later rounds.


Interesting that you jumped right into who you are not selecting as the best coach (a “just not him” tone). I don’t disagree that with your argument but the man NEVER had a bench and that’s because he was a horrid GM. I do wonder how well Thibault would’ve fared with Reeve’s rosters. However, you can’t give credit for what-ifs and you can’t discredit for what-ifs either. Cheryl did what needed to be done.

One thing I heard from players in ‘99 coming from the ABL is that the major difference between both leagues was the WNBA had better coaching.

Nonetheless, who is your pick for the best coach and why?

It might be Laimbeer for turning the worst franchise into a dynasty and doing a respectable job with an expansion team.



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 2:34 pm    ::: Re: Who is the Greatest WNBA Coach of All Time? Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
https://wbasketballblog.com/2020/05/25/who-is-the-greatest-wnba-coach-of-all-time-tournament-bracket-challenge/

Another bracket challenge!

Only 16 entries on this one, however. 64 was excessive.


I feel dumb, but I am confused. Am I supposed to be able to vote on the bracket on this page or will it be on Twitter at some point?


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PostPosted: 05/26/20 2:36 pm    ::: Re: Who is the Greatest WNBA Coach of All Time? Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
https://wbasketballblog.com/2020/05/25/who-is-the-greatest-wnba-coach-of-all-time-tournament-bracket-challenge/

Another bracket challenge!

Only 16 entries on this one, however. 64 was excessive.


I feel dumb, but I am confused. Am I supposed to be able to vote on the bracket on this page or will it be on Twitter at some point?


It will be on Twitter later in the week.



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PostPosted: 05/26/20 2:50 pm    ::: Re: Who is the Greatest WNBA Coach of All Time? Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
https://wbasketballblog.com/2020/05/25/who-is-the-greatest-wnba-coach-of-all-time-tournament-bracket-challenge/

Another bracket challenge!

Only 16 entries on this one, however. 64 was excessive.


I feel dumb, but I am confused. Am I supposed to be able to vote on the bracket on this page or will it be on Twitter at some point?


It will be on Twitter later in the week.


Thanks!


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PostPosted: 05/26/20 5:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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ClayK wrote:
Back to the best discussion: Van Chancellor not only had the best players, the level of coaching in the early days was pretty bad -- and some that were good (Brian Agler) were in the ABL.

So Van doesn't get my vote, at least in the later rounds.


Interesting that you jumped right into who you are not selecting as the best coach (a “just not him” tone). I don’t disagree that with your argument but the man NEVER had a bench and that’s because he was a horrid GM. I do wonder how well Thibault would’ve fared with Reeve’s rosters. However, you can’t give credit for what-ifs and you can’t discredit for what-ifs either. Cheryl did what needed to be done.

One thing I heard from players in ‘99 coming from the ABL is that the major difference between both leagues was the WNBA had better coaching.

Nonetheless, who is your pick for the best coach and why?

It might be Laimbeer for turning the worst franchise into a dynasty and doing a respectable job with an expansion team.


Actually, I'm not sure. This process will be fun for just that reason.

I don't particularly care for Laimbeer, but he's awfully good.



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PostPosted: 05/27/20 12:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
I don't particularly care for Laimbeer, but he's awfully good.


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ChasingRatDogmaSalade wrote:
ClayK wrote:
I don't particularly care for Laimbeer, but he's awfully good.


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PostPosted: 05/29/20 8:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Reeve winning big over Gaines

Brondello narrowly leading Agler



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Van the man is winning big

Whiz and Mr Tomato Head are neck-and-neck



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Sandy Brondello beat Brian Alger? L. O. L.


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