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| Channeling my inner Trump, Collier looks like she's out of central casting. Your eyes are drawn to her when she's on the court. She fits the role physically. |
Especially when she's the clear-cut tallest player on the court. That + her body/frame makes her look like a woman among girls – and she played like it today, too.
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Brenda VanLengen, "I hope she doesn't come out." Sure, Brenda, whatever is good for you.  |
I heard that, too. Brenda,
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How is she any different from WNBA fans that want Collier go declare to help their team, or make the draft stronger for later picks. |
In the past, I've advocated that certain players stay in school if they don't look ready. Other posters have too. Brenda's justification was that it's Collier's turn to lead Texas after sharing the spotlight with Holmes. That sounds pretty lame to me. Unless you're returning to significantly improve your skills, or your team has a serious chance of winning the national championship, I don't think it makes sense for a person who wants to play professional basketball to pass up a chance at being a lottery pick -- especially #1. You can't do better than #1, and you can do a lot worse if an injury occurs or you simply have a bad season. |
The above post is one hundred percent true.
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| Posted: 01/26/21 11:26 pm ::: |
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Collier named Naismith Player of the Week
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Texas Women's Basketball junior forward/center Charli Collier was named the Jersey Mike's Naismith Player of the Week on Tuesday. It is the first time Collier has received the weekly honor from the Naismith Award.
Collier, a Mont Belvieu, Texas native, averaged 22.5 points, 19.5 rebounds and 2.0 blocks in a pair of Texas wins this past week over TCU (71-54) and No. 24 Iowa State (70-59). Against TCU, Collier scored 23 points and grabbed a career-high 20 rebounds, becoming only the fifth player (eighth occurrence) on UT record to record 20-plus rebounds in a game. |
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| Posted: 01/27/21 9:50 pm ::: |
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well Mack totally outplayed Collier today. Collier with the great 'pro body' and got lots of rebounds, but man she struggled to score over Mack.
Collier with 10 pts and 17 rebs but 5-20 shooting.
Mack with 21 and 15 with 6 blocks 2 steals. 8-16 from two but only 5-10 from FT.
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| Posted: 01/27/21 9:54 pm ::: |
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well Mack totally outplayed Collier today. Collier with the great 'pro body' and got lots of rebounds, but man she struggled to score over Mack.
Collier with 10 pts and 17 rebs but 5-20 shooting.
Mack with 21 and 15 with 6 blocks 2 steals. 8-16 from two but only 5-10 from FT. |
Did Mack and Collier guard each other 1-on-1 for pretty much the whole night? Or did either team constantly send doubles at them?
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Did Mack and Collier guard each other 1-on-1 for pretty much the whole night? Or did either team constantly send doubles at them? |
Not many doubles, if any. They guarded each other for most of the first half. Then Collier got into foul trouble, sat for awhile, and Ebo guarded Mack even after Collier returned.
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| Posted: 01/27/21 10:07 pm ::: |
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Did Mack and Collier guard each other 1-on-1 for pretty much the whole night? Or did either team constantly send doubles at them? |
Not many doubles, if any. They guarded each other for most of the first half. Then Collier got into foul trouble, sat for awhile, and Ebo guarded Mack even after Collier returned. |
I still prefer Collier
higher ceiling IMO
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| Posted: 01/27/21 10:20 pm ::: |
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I still prefer Collier
higher ceiling IMO |
You could be right. Let's look at my scouting "housekeeping" notes. Collier was visibly taller when the two players stood together for the opening tip. Charli also looks a lot stronger. Mack is a more fluid athlete who seems to play with good instincts. Collier is a bit mechanical and stiff. She also looks like she is trying too hard. Natasha is a great natural shot-blocker. Charli doesn't challenge many shots. However, Collier is two years younger so she has a longer runway.
I posted previously that Mack was clearly a better player than Collier last season, and based on tonight’s match-up that still seems to be the case. Except for rebounding, Mack outplayed Collier in almost every aspect of the game. So, what if Mack outplays Collier again in two weeks (February 10th)? If she is clearly the best player available, it wouldn’t shock me if NY takes her at #1. No, Natasha doesn’t shoot 3s, so she wouldn’t be the prototypical Walt Hopkins post player. However, the Liberty system incorporates a lot of Oregon’s offense to make it as Sabrina-friendly as possible. A key factor for the Ducks was the interaction between Ionescu and Ruthie Hebard. The latter was primarily a low post scorer, so there’s no reason why NY can’t run those same plays for Mack. It’s not ideal based on Hopkins’s vision, but it’s also not a tremendously difficult adjustment. And if all else fails, I can see Kolb taking Mack as trade bait.
That said, with all the bunnies Collier missed today, it looks like she’d fit in perfectly with the Liberty.
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| Posted: 01/27/21 10:35 pm ::: |
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Did Mack and Collier guard each other 1-on-1 for pretty much the whole night? Or did either team constantly send doubles at them? |
Not many doubles, if any. They guarded each other for most of the first half. Then Collier got into foul trouble, sat for awhile, and Ebo guarded Mack even after Collier returned. |
I still prefer Collier
higher ceiling IMO |
And, put Collier on a team with Ionescu, Nurse, Johannes, hopefully a healthy Durr, and she will look DRASTICALLY different. The college game is a guards game and the Texas guards are terrible.
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| Posted: 01/27/21 10:45 pm ::: |
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I still prefer Collier
higher ceiling IMO |
You could be right. Let's look at my scouting "housekeeping" notes. Collier was visibly taller when the two players stood together for the opening tip. Charli also looks a lot stronger. Mack is a more fluid athlete who seems to play with good instincts. Collier is a bit mechanical and stiff. She also looks like she is trying too hard. Natasha is a great natural shot-blocker. Charli doesn't challenge many shots. However, Collier is two years younger so she has a longer runway.
I posted previously that Mack was clearly a better player than Collier last season, and based on tonight’s match-up that still seems to be the case. Except for rebounding, Mack outplayed Collier in almost every aspect of the game. So, what if Mack outplays Collier again in two weeks (February 10th)? If she is clearly the best player available, it wouldn’t shock me if NY takes her at #1. No, Natasha doesn’t shoot 3s, so she wouldn’t be the prototypical Walt Hopkins post player. However, the Liberty system incorporates a lot of Oregon’s offense to make it as Sabrina-friendly as possible. A key factor for the Ducks was the interaction between Ionescu and Ruthie Hebard. The latter was primarily a low post scorer, so there’s no reason why NY can’t run those same plays for Mack. It’s not ideal based on Hopkins’s vision, but it’s also not a tremendously difficult adjustment. And if all else fails, I can see Kolb taking Mack as trade bait.
That said, with all the bunnies Collier missed today, it looks like she’d fit in perfectly with the Liberty. |
This will sound strange because of the evidence of todays game but I can see Collier as a #1 pick, I don't see Mack as a #1 pick
one of the problems with this draft has always been it is hard to see any of the crop as a #1 pick. Had Sabally or Carter stayed in school yes they could be #1 picks but no one is screaming "it is me". Maybe because of the way Collier looks like a W big I can see it more than the others. It may be visual bias.
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I don't feel that strongly I suppose. Before today's game, my probabilities would have been:
Collier 60%
Kuier 20%
Other 20%
Mack was part of the Other. Here's the point. I've seen more bad games than good ones from Collier since she started playing conference games. If that continues, how long can you ignore the on-court performance just because Charli looks like she should be a good player? I definitely know where you're coming from because I'm basically in the same place. If the draft were tomorrow, I'd take Collier. But at some point, you have to step back and ask yourself if you're being realistic or if you're just in love with some dream version of Collier.
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| Posted: 01/27/21 11:30 pm ::: |
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I wonder what Dallas thinks of Collier
picks 2 and 5 for pick 1
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Thanks for the report & all the analysis (and there is a lot  ), root. I accept/agree with basically all of it. Collier may not be the #1 if she plays like this again vs. Mack, or vs. anyone else at any point in the season. Her season shooting % has now slipped below 50%. No, her 26% from 3 statistic doesn't help matters, but all of it is concerning. Worse: in 8 conference games thus far, Collier is shooting 38%! That's it! You know who else shot 38% in conference play their senior season? Joyner Holmes. She faced the same issue where she looked the part in several other facets, but simply couldn't put the goddamn ball in the basket often enough both in her senior season at Texas and her rookie season with the Liberty. Shit, maybe Karen Aston just ruined them from the start.
Anywho, not that J-Spoon asked me, but I would absolutely consider taking Mack #1 overall (she's shooting 50% in both conference play and on the season, fwiw), even if Collier has the perceived higher ceiling. Even if Mack doesn't learn how to shoot 3s, she can absolutely still be a great player at the next level with all the other skills she brings. 3PT shooting is overrated imo anyway. And I would also absolutely consider trading the #1, straight-up or in a package deal, for either someone good or a 1RP next year. 1 for 2 & 5? Yes.
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| Posted: 01/28/21 10:41 am ::: |
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That's the key number from Stormeo: 38% against Big 12 competition.
From a 6-4 post who should have an advantage inside every game -- and won't have that advantage in the WNBA.
You don't have to be a great scorer to be an effective WNBA post, but you do have to make shots close to the rim.
What an awful draft ...
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Rennia Davis has the two-way versatility to be a WNBA star
https://fansided.com/2021/01/28/rennia-davis-two-way-versatility-wnba-star/
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| Tennessee forward Rennia Davis is arguably the top wing prospect in the 2021 WNBA Draft and, if things break the right way in terms of early-entry candidates, is a potential option for the New York Liberty with the top overall pick. Could the Lady Vols senior see her name called first by WNBA commissioner Cathy Engelbert? |
The Liberty are definitely wingier than any other team in the WNBA, including the Wings. (Trade names?)
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Let’s start with Davis’ defense because there are fewer question marks on that side of the ball when it comes to fitting her into a WNBA team. |
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| And while 3-point shooting is a valid concern when we’re talking about wing prospects, we can’t ignore that Davis has also been a really effective scorer in the paint. Per CBB Analytics, Davis is shooting 75 percent at the rim and 53.4 percent in the non-rim part of the paint. Both of those numbers rank in the 86th percentile nationally. |
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What makes Rennia Davis such a compelling prospect?
Let’s start with Davis’ defense because there are fewer question marks on that side of the ball when it comes to fitting her into a WNBA team. |
(highlight thanks to Shades)
There is less room for Tamara Young clones in the league than there used to be.
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| Worse: in 8 conference games thus far, Collier is shooting 38%! That's it! You know who else shot 38% in conference play their senior season? Joyner Holmes. She faced the same issue where she looked the part in several other facets, but simply couldn't put the goddamn ball in the basket often enough both in her senior season at Texas and her rookie season with the Liberty. |
yep. The other thing about that is that even a lot of teams in-conference don't have bigs to match up with her so that 38% is particularly concerning for a player who mostly shoots right around the rim. I do think people (hi j-spoon - but not just you) are taken up with the eye candy. She looks like a great physical specimen and obviously has put in the work to get those muscles. Plus on the court she is aggressive and moves people out of the way and goes for rebounds like crazy. There's just that one major issue of struggling to put the ball in the basket, and mostly inside 6 feet....
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| When I search for a comparable player, it seems like Collier is a lower wattage version of Kristine Anigwe. They're physically similar, both have problems scoring around the basket, and both are prolific rebounders. Actually, Kristine was even better off the boards than Collier. She was also a more aggressive shot-blocker. The other similarity between them is that Anigwe and Collier are both self-aware and ambitious individuals. Kristine spoke openly about wanting to be a truly great player when she was in college. Meanwhile, if I recall correctly, Collier first committed to Texas, then switched to UConn, then switched back to Texas. Was she already trying to position herself in the most favorable way to further her career? Currently, we all assume Charli is coming out early because she spoke about it on a video last year. And then there was that promotional video of her working out that suddenly appeared. It does seem like Collier consciously plans her career. I just wonder if she thinks about this stuff too much and is putting a lot of pressure on herself to perform.
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What makes Rennia Davis such a compelling prospect?
Let’s start with Davis’ defense because there are fewer question marks on that side of the ball when it comes to fitting her into a WNBA team. |
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I don’t get much of a Tamera Young vibe from her, but Young did play in 372 games covering 12 years.
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I gotta say, I don't think Geno would let Collier play like this as a senior if she had started out in his program!