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It’s time to think more like Taiwan, who got into early control of the virus. Everybody who enters the arena gets temperature scanned. If a person’s temperature is elevated you’re not allowed to come in.
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Doctors treating symptomatic COVID patients have found that many, maybe as much as 30% or more, do not present without a fever but have other symptoms. Some progress quickly to respiratory failure requiring intubation before they become febrile. Taking temperatures at the door is inadequate to detect infected people who can transmit the disease. |
That’s why you do the other things that you edited out of my comment. Cloth masks required. Sanitizer required. That should significantly help reduce the spread from asymptomatic carriers. Is it perfect? No, but people are still gathering in places like grocery stores without masks required. That’s a scarier situation to me. |
Oops, made a bad typo. Sorry. Corrected now.  And I was addressing your comments about taking temps.
The CDC has recently changed their position about the need for the public to wear masks.
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...a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (“asymptomatic”) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (“pre-symptomatic”) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms. This means that the virus can spread between people interacting in close proximity—for example, speaking, coughing, or sneezing—even if those people are not exhibiting symptoms.
...CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.
...CDC is additionally advising the use of simple cloth face coverings to slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others. Cloth face coverings fashioned from household items or made at home from common materials at low cost can be used as an additional, voluntary public health measure.
The cloth face coverings recommended are not surgical masks or N-95 respirators. Those are critical supplies that must continue to be reserved for healthcare workers and other medical first responders |
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html
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| Posted: 04/04/20 1:18 pm ::: |
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| All guesswork, of course, but I think plausible. Fire away, Richyyy ,,, |
Heh, sorry if it seems like I'm constantly picking on your posts. It's only because I'm much more likely to actually respond to someone who's thought about what they're saying rather than shouting nonsense at the top of their lungs.
And yeah, most of that seemed reasonable. There's so much money at stake that I do think the NBA will probably push through some kind of attempt to have a postseason if they possibly can, though. And that'll be as soon as possible, so that it can be vaguely attached to the 2019-20 season, and so that they can then get the next season started as quickly as possible. I think they'll probably play through those secondary surges you mention (or at least try to), likely without crowds for a while. |
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| Posted: 04/04/20 2:00 pm ::: |
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As has been pointed out, no one knows. My guess:
Shelter in place for those under 70 lifted May 30, followed by an immediate surge in cases. But hospitals are better prepared, understanding of the disease is better, and though people are still dying, the numbers aren't overwhelming. (Those over 70 (those most likely to wind up in the hospital) are required to shelter in place through June and perhaps longer.)
But the big question would be whether removing shelter in place means allowing public gatherings -- and my guess is the answer would be no. You can still restore tourism, to some extent, and get people back to work without allowing MLB to start putting 30,000 people in stadiums again.
The other issue is travel. Shelter in place could be removed, but travel could still be restricted -- and a lot of people may not want to go to airports and get on a plane.
Again, a guess: Travel probably won't be officially restricted, but there will be a lot less of it. For MLB, with charter planes, they could conceivably get out on the road and play in front of limited crowds. Flying commercial? Don't know if that would make sense, and I don't know that I'd want to do that if I was a WNBA player.
My final guess: Professional sports (which includes colleges) don't go back to semi-normal until November, after a couple more surges. The NFL plays in empty stadiums, but the college football season is cancelled (along with other fall college sports). The WNBA? Maybe in one site for a month or two in the fall.
All guesswork, of course, but I think plausible. Fire away, Richyyy ,,, |
I thought this current WNBA contract allows for charters or is it 1st Class for commercial flights ?
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| Posted: 04/04/20 2:16 pm ::: |
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| I thought this current WNBA contract allows for charters or is it 1st Class for commercial flights ? |
It's "premium economy (or similar enhanced coach fare)". First Class for flying to the All-Star Game (if you're in it). No mention of charters at all in the CBA. |
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| Posted: 04/04/20 4:03 pm ::: |
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| I thought this current WNBA contract allows for charters or is it 1st Class for commercial flights ? |
It's "premium economy (or similar enhanced coach fare)". First Class for flying to the All-Star Game (if you're in it). No mention of charters at all in the CBA. |
I believe there will have to be an amendment to the existing WNBA CBA. The world with this coronavirus has changed traumatically, WNBA teams need to travel on charter flights for the health of all and continue existence of the league
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| Posted: 04/04/20 4:14 pm ::: |
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| I thought this current WNBA contract allows for charters or is it 1st Class for commercial flights ? |
It's "premium economy (or similar enhanced coach fare)". First Class for flying to the All-Star Game (if you're in it). No mention of charters at all in the CBA. |
I believe there will have to be an amendment to the existing WNBA CBA. The world with this coronavirus has changed traumatically, WNBA teams need to travel on charter flights for the health of all and continue existence of the league |
I'll bet they play at one site for the season. So there would only be two flights, one getting there and one at the end of the season.
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| Posted: 04/04/20 5:06 pm ::: |
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| Could they just do it using NBA 2k. Players all stay at home, coaches actually decide who is in the game and its run like a real game. That's what the auto racing sports are doing now. (I don't really know if NBA 2k works that way, but works great in Iracing. Guys from all over the world can race at one time against each other.)
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| Posted: 04/04/20 5:18 pm ::: |
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| Could they just do it using NBA 2k. Players all stay at home, coaches actually decide who is in the game and its run like a real game. That's what the auto racing sports are doing now. (I don't really know if NBA 2k works that way, but works great in Iracing. Guys from all over the world can race at one time against each other.) |
Sure you didn’t already read this idea?
Not sure how interesting it would be to me since I’m not really into game play, especially watching it, but it’s certainly more intriguing than a cancelled season.
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| Posted: 04/04/20 6:54 pm ::: |
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1246441796923797510
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| President Donald Trump is scheduled to participate in a phone call with all major-league sports commissioners today at noon, according to the @WhiteHouse. |
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August start would make a partial WNBA season possible (I suppose game w/o fans could start earlier.) Still this is from the guy who hoped to get people in church by Easter.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/04/04/report-trump-believes-nfl-season-should-start-on-time/23969936/
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| The White House deemed the call off the record, according to the AP, but other reports indicated that in the course of the call, Trump said he believed the NFL should start on time in September. He also told commissioners he hopes to have fans back in arenas by August, though it’s uncertain yet whether medical experts will agree with the viability of that timeframe. |
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| Posted: 04/04/20 7:05 pm ::: |
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| Posted: 04/04/20 7:11 pm ::: |
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| They could play without fans earlier |
Which seems likely.
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| Posted: 04/04/20 10:23 pm ::: |
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It feels harder to predict what a national league will do in a country like the US, where the Covid rules seem to be very much set on a state-by-state basis.
It also feels premature to even guess dates right now while infections are still very much in the upswing stage. Get past the peak and then I think more meaningful predictions can be made about when restrictions can start to be relaxed.
Very curious to hear more about the Trump phone conference. I assume the WNBA is not even on his radar but I trust that Adam Silver hasn't forgotten about us.
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| The Las Vegas casinos are closed. Open the one the Aces use only for the WNBA. Using quarantines and/or testing, make sure that everyone going inside does not have the virus and don’t allow anyone to exit for 3 months. Any food or supplies going in has to be appropriately wiped down or let sit past the point where virus would be viable. Sports starved public gives highest ratings in WNBA history by far and makes it work financially. As far as the NBA, it would probably be harder to get those multimillionaires to go for something like that. But if they can handle it that could leave the WNBA without enough audience to justify it unless there is enough of a gap between NBA this year and NBA next year. Although if the NBA was playing this year the WNBA would lose the “only game in town” status and the economics would be a lot worse and not justify a TV-only season. But there isn’t likely to be any Euro ball this year that the players would have to miss if the WNBA season went into the fall.
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| Posted: 04/05/20 4:34 am ::: |
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1246441796923797510
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| President Donald Trump is scheduled to participate in a phone call with all major-league sports commissioners today at noon, according to the @WhiteHouse. |
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Englebert was listed as being in on the call.
https://mobile.twitter.com/frntofficesport/status/1246507546539671555/photo/1
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| Posted: 04/05/20 7:48 am ::: |
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| The Las Vegas casinos are closed. Open the one the Aces use only for the WNBA. Using quarantines and/or testing, make sure that everyone going inside does not have the virus and don’t allow anyone to exit for 3 months. Any food or supplies going in has to be appropriately wiped down or let sit past the point where virus would be viable. Sports starved public gives highest ratings in WNBA history by far and makes it work financially. As far as the NBA, it would probably be harder to get those multimillionaires to go for something like that. But if they can handle it that could leave the WNBA without enough audience to justify it unless there is enough of a gap between NBA this year and NBA next year. Although if the NBA was playing this year the WNBA would lose the “only game in town” status and the economics would be a lot worse and not justify a TV-only season. But there isn’t likely to be any Euro ball this year that the players would have to miss if the WNBA season went into the fall. |
Vegas might be out if the NBA decides to have its playoffs there this summer.
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| Posted: 04/05/20 7:57 am ::: |
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| The Las Vegas casinos are closed. Open the one the Aces use only for the WNBA. Using quarantines and/or testing, make sure that everyone going inside does not have the virus and don’t allow anyone to exit for 3 months. Any food or supplies going in has to be appropriately wiped down or let sit past the point where virus would be viable. Sports starved public gives highest ratings in WNBA history by far and makes it work financially. As far as the NBA, it would probably be harder to get those multimillionaires to go for something like that. But if they can handle it that could leave the WNBA without enough audience to justify it unless there is enough of a gap between NBA this year and NBA next year. Although if the NBA was playing this year the WNBA would lose the “only game in town” status and the economics would be a lot worse and not justify a TV-only season. But there isn’t likely to be any Euro ball this year that the players would have to miss if the WNBA season went into the fall. |
Vegas might be out if the NBA decides to have its playoffs there this summer. |
Or that's one way to minimise all the support staff necessary for this idea - have the NBA and WNBA share some of the people required. |
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| Posted: 04/05/20 8:09 am ::: |
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| The Las Vegas casinos are closed. Open the one the Aces use only for the WNBA. Using quarantines and/or testing, make sure that everyone going inside does not have the virus and don’t allow anyone to exit for 3 months. Any food or supplies going in has to be appropriately wiped down or let sit past the point where virus would be viable. Sports starved public gives highest ratings in WNBA history by far and makes it work financially. As far as the NBA, it would probably be harder to get those multimillionaires to go for something like that. But if they can handle it that could leave the WNBA without enough audience to justify it unless there is enough of a gap between NBA this year and NBA next year. Although if the NBA was playing this year the WNBA would lose the “only game in town” status and the economics would be a lot worse and not justify a TV-only season. But there isn’t likely to be any Euro ball this year that the players would have to miss if the WNBA season went into the fall. |
Vegas might be out if the NBA decides to have its playoffs there this summer. |
Or that's one way to minimise all the support staff necessary for this idea - have the NBA and WNBA share some of the people required. |
Staff wise it helps. But we'd also have 26 teams in one venue. That's roughly 384 players. Over 100 coaches(including assistants). I thought the NBA would be better off splitting up the teams(East & West). Western teams in Vegas & Eastern teams in another venue(Orlando? Chicago?). The WNBA probably looks at a different venue like Mohegan Sun.
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This was posted by Genero36 over in Area 51 but it has a real bearing on this thread because it shows how the virus spreads from coughing or even loud talking (think cheering) - especially in closed environments w/o a lot of air circulation. Really shows how difficult it would be to hold large scale sporting events. Outdoors events such as baseball would probably do much better.
<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/402577241" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/402577241">Micro droplets suspending in air</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user40660581">MixonK</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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| Posted: 04/05/20 8:50 am ::: |
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This was posted by Genero36 over in Area 51 but it has a real bearing on this thread because it shows how the virus spreads from coughing or even loud talking (think cheering) - especially in closed environments w/o a lot of air circulation. Really shows how difficult it would be to hold large scale sporting events. Outdoors events such as baseball would probably do much better.
<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/402577241" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/402577241">Micro droplets suspending in air</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user40660581">MixonK</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> |
Thanks for posting this. Very illuminating and worrisome.
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| Maybe there's an outdoor basketball court they can play at? WNBA at Arthur Ashe Stadium?
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This was posted by Genero36 over in Area 51 but it has a real bearing on this thread because it shows how the virus spreads from coughing or even loud talking (think cheering) - especially in closed environments w/o a lot of air circulation. Really shows how difficult it would be to hold large scale sporting events. Outdoors events such as baseball would probably do much better.
<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/402577241" width="640" height="360" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/402577241">Micro droplets suspending in air</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user40660581">MixonK</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> |
This is why cloth masks would be required to be worn by everyone. Cloth masks would keep droplets from projecting out. I’m guessing it’s an old video, but they should have run the same tests with cloth masks to see the difference.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2_WxtSavZR4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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| Posted: 04/05/20 9:58 am ::: |
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NEW YORK (AP) — Putting all 30 teams in the Phoenix area this season and playing in empty ballparks was among the ideas discussed Monday by Major League Baseball and the players’ association
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