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GlennMacGrady



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PostPosted: 06/18/20 10:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Update 99: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S. (data sourced from Johns Hopkins website at ~11:30 pm EDT):
- confirmed cases increased by 25,838 (1.2%) from 2,163,290 to 2,189,128
- deaths increased by 704 (0.6%) from 117,717 to 118,421
- crude death rate decreased from 5.44% to 5.41%

Five deadliest states today: CA 76, NC 54, ILL 52, NY 46, FL 43

Five deadliest countries today: BRZ 1204, MEX 770, USA 704, IND 342, CHL 226

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%
488 – 3/28 1.76%
303 – 3/29 1.75%
547 – 3/30 1.85%
860 – 3/31 2.06%
1216 – 4/01 2.37%
867 – 4/02 2.44%
1169 – 4/03 2.57%
1336 – 4/04 2.72%
1155 – 4/05 2.86%
1280 – 4/06 2.97%
1970 – 4/07 3.23%
1924 – 4/08 3.43%
1867 – 4/09 3.58%
2074 – 4/10 3.74%
1846 – 4/11 3.89%
1475 – 4/12 3.96%
1529 – 4/13 4.05%
2425 – 4/14 4.27%
4811 – 4/15 4.83%
2424 – 4/16 4.96%
3786 – 4/17 5.28%
1849 – 4/18 5.29%
1774 – 4/19 5.36%
1631 – 4/20 5.38%
2734 – 4/21 5.46%
1646 – 4/22 5.54%
3286 – 4/23 5.75%
1063 – 4/24 5.73%
2738 – 4/25 5.72%
1128 – 4/26 5.68%
1362 – 4/27 5.69%
2110 – 4/28 5.76%
2611 – 4/29 5.86%
2040 – 4/30 5.89%
1937 – 5/01 5.88%
1426 – 5/02 5.86%
1313 – 5/03 5.84%
1240 – 5/04 5.84%
2148 – 5/05 5.90%
2361 – 5/06 5.98%
2231 – 5/07 6.02%
1518 – 5/08 6.01%
1615 – 5/09 6.02%
730 – 5/10 5.98%
1157 – 5/11 6.00%
1674 – 5/12 6.01%
1736 – 5/13 6.05%
1779 – 5/14 6.06%
1632 – 5/15 6.07%
1224 – 5/16 6.05%
796 – 5/17 6.02%
790 – 5/18 5.99%
1581 – 5/19 6.02%
1518 – 5/20 6.02%
1263 – 5/21 6.00%
1277 – 5/22 5.99%
1108 – 5/23 5.98%
633 – 5/24 5.95%
500 – 5/25 5.91%
682 – 5/26 5.88%
1516 – 5/27 5.91%
1179 – 5/28 5.90%
1211 – 5/29 5.89%
960 – 5/30 5.86%
613 – 5/31 5.83%
784 – 6/01 5.81%
1105 – 6/02 5.80%
995 – 6/03 5.79%
1033 – 6/04 5.78%
919 – 6/05 5.75%
664 – 6/06 5.72%
722 – 6/07 5.69%
477 – 6/08 5.66%
999 – 6/09 5.64%
935 – 6/10 5.64%
879 – 6/11 5.63%
869 – 6/12 5.60%
730 – 6/13 5.56%
330 – 6/14 5.53%
403 – 6/15 5.49%
827 – 6/16 5.47%
755 – 6/17 5.44%
704 – 6/18 5.41%

Below are today's U.S. daily new cases and deaths in graph format from the Worldometer site, which has a different "day" and reports different daily numbers than Johns Hopkins.




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I'd like to thank all who took their time to contribute to this thread or just to read it . . . .
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PostPosted: 06/19/20 5:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I've read this thread almost daily. I appreciate the numbers. Maybe just a once a week update going forward?



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PostPosted: 06/19/20 6:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:


This is my last daily post. 100 days of research, formatting, calculating, writing and editing two to four hours a day is enough. I may or may not make some less frequent posts in the future.

I'd like to thank all who took their time to contribute to this thread or just to read it . . . .


Thanks for doing it. I enjoyed reading it. I was thinking that it must take some time to find the articles you posted below the data. I have an opposite inclination with regard to restrictions, but it is hard to argue with the idea of no "closing" since we were so ineffective in getting cases around 0 (couldn't even get it below 20,000 new verified cases a day) with the alleged "closing" that still had all the airports and freeways open for human international and intranational travel. It did help the hospital and medical folks, but keeping it out of nursing homes, which we did not do, might have been sufficient for that. Having old people shelter and letting everyone else potentially get it is where we are, or at least where we will end up in a few months.


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PostPosted: 06/26/20 5:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A Horrifying U.S. Covid Curve Has a Simple Explanation
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2020-06-26/coronavirus-a-horrifying-rise-in-u-s-covid-cases-is-explained








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PostPosted: 12/16/20 10:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

311,000

Great job, Trump.


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PostPosted: 12/16/20 6:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

huskiemaniac wrote:
311,000

Great job, Trump.


Thank you for bringing back this moronic thread. Unfortunately, as many of us stated, this is exactly where we were heading: the worst COVID death numbers in the entire world despite feeble attempts to manipulate numbers to show otherwise.

Now we have to fumigate the white house so it stops being a superspreader location, leading a country of superspreaders. I trust Joe to put a complete stop - on day 1 - to the idiocy leading our country to record setting numbers.



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PostPosted: 12/16/20 6:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

huskiemaniac wrote:
311,000

Great job, Trump.


Ah, our friend cthskzfn is still with us. In spirit at least.



If you like posting on the topic of women's basketball here on Rebkell's, stay on that side of things.



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readyAIMfire53 wrote:
huskiemaniac wrote:
311,000

Great job, Trump.


Thank you for bringing back this moronic thread. Unfortunately, as many of us stated, this is exactly where we were heading: the worst COVID death numbers in the entire world despite feeble attempts to manipulate numbers to show otherwise.

Now we have to fumigate the white house so it stops being a superspreader location, leading a country of superspreaders. I trust Joe to put a complete stop - on day 1 - to the idiocy leading our country to record setting numbers.


You know, defending the Donald was a nice hobby for a while, but then it became too hard. Thanks for bringing back the fun.

So, no. And I'll get into my taking apart why we have horrible numbers of deaths and COVID illness in the United States as I promised Luuuc but this idea that Trump is to blame is really just ludicrous political crap from the same people who were calling for his impeachment from day one, etc. You know who you are and you know how many of you there are. Lots. And the media has been feeding you this bullshit and you lap it up because anything that the media tells you that supports your hatred for Donald Trump can not be questioned, only repeated.

The discussion I want to have with Luuuc here is about our country. Why things that worked elsewhere could never work here. And those reasons might be surprising to Americans but I'm wondering why they would be. They should be eye-opening to Luuuc, though, and that will be the point of that discussion and it won't be statistical. It will be cultural and anecdotal. From that which is observable on the ground. In America.

So I don't know why a non-numbers person like me had to be the one who compiled these weird shaped characters I think are called 'digits' and post them here. But I offer this information now to refute this idea that we really should still be sitting here blaming Donald Trump. I mean, yeah, I get the importance of trying to attach these COVID deaths to his legacy. But it doesn't make it right.

So the fucking World-o-Meter sets the US population in 2020 as being approx 331,891,557. Let's round it off to 332M.

We know we are right around 310K deaths from COVID and moving up fast.

I've added up the populations of six (because I needed six) of the other most first world nations on the European continent. I got my population info here.

60M - Italy
66M - France
82M - Germany
66M - UK
47M - Spain
11M - Begium
=332M Same as the US.

Now let's look at the COVID deaths. And I got that information here

66K - Italy
59K - France
24K - Germany
65K - UK
48K - Spain
18K - Belgium
=280K 30K less than the US.

310K dead here. 280K dead in six first world European Union countries adding up to roughly the same population of the US. It’s a virus. And it’s a killer. Just about anything reprehensible that you can attach to Donald Trump is true. My own eyes however, even without numbers, told me the death toll in this country from COVID this year is not something that you can attach to Trump. But these numbers prove that irrefutably.

Are the 280K dead in Europe Trump's fault? Is there something I'm missing here? Please help me to see it.

And now let me stick my finger down everyone's throat here and utter the four words that by now induce vomiting for all Rebkellians... OUT HERE IN LA...

Out here in LA things looks SOOOOOO different than what I'm guessing things look like wherever you guys are... NO MATTER where you guys are.

I have pictures. They have time/date stamps throughout the pandemic going back to April. All of that stuff plus a nice refresher course on WHO exactly your fellow Americans are is being saved for my response to Luuuc, should I ever get around to it. I TRY to post on Rebkell's because it keeps my place in the arena and the ability to put some words and paragraphs together still somewhat sharp. But... during this time... it's every man and household to himself and I've got to do my best to stay safe, sane, keep my outlook positive and try to help mrs jammer to do the same.

A lot of that isn't helped by sitting at my laptop arguing with people who are NEVER going to agree with me. So...

Thoughts on these numbers? I don't do numbers very often. I expect a lot of action for my efforts. Wink

Now if it is confirmed once again that I'm a moron and should never type anything above the letters on my keyboard then so be it. Who would be suprirsed?

But if I'm right... then don't even try to come here and tell me about a 30K difference between a combined Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Belgium and the UK and this crazy assed country I know so well and, oh by the way, that we need to continue to be blaming Donald Trump. It's always been bullshit.

Get out into the cities and witness for yourselves what's REALLY going on in the mostly liberal strongholds of America. Because the second most rotten thing about the pandemic is the way it was instantly and relentlessly politicized. And for that I do blame Democrats and progressives.



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I'm going to take issue with your premise. The argument shouldn't be posed as a comparison of our death rate vs Europe's, but as a comparison of what our death rate is vs what it could have been, and the reasons for the discrepancy.

[Instead of Europe, compare our numbers vs Canada, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Australia, and South Africa. Their combined population totals 335M and they have 48K deaths. Pop numbers from Worldometer, and CV deaths per Hopkins dashboard.]

The reasons for our failure lie in several different phases with different bad actors.

The first phase began well before Trump even took office and was the state of our public health system, which had been gutted and ignored for at least part of our last three administrations. Trump does bear some responsibility for this, but no more so than Bush's second term and Obama's as well.

The second phase falls primarily on Trump's shoulders, IMO, for his response, or lack thereof, to Fauci and other healthcare experts, his complete mismanagement of resources, and his monumentally stupid public proclamations in the early days of the pandemic, aka the first "spike." Unfortunately, some stupid governors followed his lead and contributed to the problem.

Then we had an interim period where our physicians learned a lot about caring for COVID patients, and our public and media got increasingly agitated about economic concerns, restless about restrictions, and social unrest ignited.

The third phase happened this fall, when anti-maskers, anti-distancers, and anti-science morons decided to ignore the warnings from healthcare experts and take a holiday, producing our second spike in this pandemic with a skyrocketing number of deaths. I find it hard to blame Trump for this. I will also find it hard to blame him when these same selfish morons repeat their stupidity over Christmas week and we set new death records again in January.

This article about an impending fourth phase in this debacle appeared in my inbox today, about the anti-vaxxers, whipped into a frenzy by hysterical social media know-nothings, potentially derailing our vaccination campaign.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/942703?src=wnl_edit_tpal&uac=369619HT&impID=2741351&faf=1

So yes, Trump has to answer for a lot regarding his early mismanagement of this pandemic, but it's the American public that's caused this situation to get out of hand and is responsible for the skyrocketing number of deaths in the past few weeks, and both mainstream media and social media are egging them on.

Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.


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PostPosted: 12/16/20 11:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
huskiemaniac wrote:
311,000

Great job, Trump.


Ah, our friend cthskzfn is still with us. In spirit at least.



If you like posting on the topic of women's basketball here on Rebkell's, stay on that side of things.


LOLOL the person who went off for the posting a tweet replies with a gif... how rich.


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jammerbirdi wrote:
huskiemaniac wrote:
311,000

Great job, Trump.


Ah, our friend cthskzfn is still with us. In spirit at least.



If you like posting on the topic of women's basketball here on Rebkell's, stay on that side of things.


Are you positing that huskiemaniac IS cthskzfn? This is absolutely not true. Or that Cth coerced huskiemaniac to make the post as if huskiemaniac can't make the post themselves? And I don't much like the threat posted either.



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ThreeBall25 wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
huskiemaniac wrote:
311,000

Great job, Trump.


Ah, our friend cthskzfn is still with us. In spirit at least.



If you like posting on the topic of women's basketball here on Rebkell's, stay on that side of things.


LOLOL the person who went off for the posting a tweet replies with a gif... how rich.


Simply making the rules doesn't mean one has to follow them.



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FrozenLVFan wrote:
I'm going to take issue with your premise. The argument shouldn't be posed as a comparison of our death rate vs Europe's, but as a comparison of what our death rate is vs what it could have been, and the reasons for the discrepancy.

[Instead of Europe, compare our numbers vs Canada, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Australia, and South Africa. Their combined population totals 335M and they have 48K deaths. Pop numbers from Worldometer, and CV deaths per Hopkins dashboard.]

The reasons for our failure lie in several different phases with different bad actors.

The first phase began well before Trump even took office and was the state of our public health system, which had been gutted and ignored for at least part of our last three administrations. Trump does bear some responsibility for this, but no more so than Bush's second term and Obama's as well.

The second phase falls primarily on Trump's shoulders, IMO, for his response, or lack thereof, to Fauci and other healthcare experts, his complete mismanagement of resources, and his monumentally stupid public proclamations in the early days of the pandemic, aka the first "spike." Unfortunately, some stupid governors followed his lead and contributed to the problem.

Then we had an interim period where our physicians learned a lot about caring for COVID patients, and our public and media got increasingly agitated about economic concerns, restless about restrictions, and social unrest ignited.

The third phase happened this fall, when anti-maskers, anti-distancers, and anti-science morons decided to ignore the warnings from healthcare experts and take a holiday, producing our second spike in this pandemic with a skyrocketing number of deaths. I find it hard to blame Trump for this. I will also find it hard to blame him when these same selfish morons repeat their stupidity over Christmas week and we set new death records again in January.

This article about an impending fourth phase in this debacle appeared in my inbox today, about the anti-vaxxers, whipped into a frenzy by hysterical social media know-nothings, potentially derailing our vaccination campaign.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/942703?src=wnl_edit_tpal&uac=369619HT&impID=2741351&faf=1

So yes, Trump has to answer for a lot regarding his early mismanagement of this pandemic, but it's the American public that's caused this situation to get out of hand and is responsible for the skyrocketing number of deaths in the past few weeks, and both mainstream media and social media are egging them on.

Just my opinion. Take it or leave it.


So I kind of agree with some of what you've said here. There's some I don't agree with at all and I'll start off with that but even the stuff where we're not far apart... I think there's an incomplete assessment of where responsibility lies.

So first, the COVID deaths comparison. I chose European countries because they are Western nations with Western traditions and social and class struggles and traditions, social attitudes regarding citizens' rights and suspicions and resistance to authority, etc. I mean, I think that if you're going to compare the United States to any other whatever number of countries it takes to come up with 330 million people I think the countries that I chose were the most logical ones to pick.

As opposed to Asian countries which are really on the other side of the world in terms of social structures and their relationships to the state. I think you can find so many more on the ground functional similarities between the US and those six European countries than you could with some of these that you mention.

So I have to stand by my choice of nations.

And hear me out here, I'm not sure it even matters. I will allow that we could find countries even beyond what you've chosen totaling 330M people with far less COVID deaths than the US or my six European countries. But the countries I've chosen collectively PROVE that you can have a similar total deaths with a similar population without Donald Trump being your head of state. That's my point there. These were even six different leaders. Spread the blame six different ways for the 330 people. Deaths come out about the same.

So the idea of what could have been. Wow. I think it might even have been you (maybe tfan) who pointed out here that there was a case of COVID-19 found in California last year. We've heard this so many times but it always bears repeating especially when we're trying to do a post mortem on what we did and didn't do right to stop this pandemic from our shores, but there's so much we don't know about this mother fucker. What might have been has been something eating at me since I was six years old.

I like tfan for pointing out the many many contradicting messages and attitudes we the public received from our political leaders, world and national health experts, and the news media. We're in the middle of this now. Whether any of us know it or not, we're in the fog of war. Because we all know that any one of us could be dead before Christmas. Whether we know it or not that's fucking with our perspectives.

But when this is over there's going to be some honest books published that take apart everything from health reporters who are MDs downplaying coronavirus in the New York Times and Washington Post, etc. Nancy Pelosi imploring people to come to Chinatown. New York only shutting down indoor dining THIS WEEK. Shocked History is going to get a clearer picture of who did what and who didn't do what that they should have done and what the actual result of all of that was.

Honestly, I'm not pointing my fingers so much at our political leaders. Or the others that I've mentioned. I don't blame the American people or the Italian people or the British. But if you're going to scientifically connect the dots... and you started to go there... then I think in terms of spreading the virus through the population and how and why that was baked-in to happen exactly as it did, then let's talk about that. What really happened. Because I can't tell if you even mention it.

In the middle of a deadly pandemic, after we had successfully flattened the curve in many parts of this country, right in the middle of the year, the George Floyd protests erupted everywhere in this country. Millions of people took to the streets. SO many were not wearing masks initially. There was no social distancing. There was maskless protesters screaming into the faces of police officers from point blank ranges. This went on for a month. Then we had a summer surge.

To this DAY in California gatherings of more than a handful of people are forbidden, restaurants are closed even to outdoor dining (as they should be) but the two exceptions to all the restrictions are religious services and protests. Protests are STILL permitted as a constitutional right. And people continue to exercise that right here in LA.

Back in late September it was estimated that a crowd of 800K ... you are reading that correctly... 800 thousand people... gathered on one end of Beverly Hills to protest what was happening to Armenians in the latest conflict over on the border with Turkey. When Armenians protest here in LA they bring it like no one in the history of this country. Ever. It's like three Woodstocks every time they protest something. Watching the news we saw that probably 20 percent of those we could see were not wearing masks. And that many people in that close of proximity there was no such thing as social distancing.

So protests and demonstrations and even celebrations after the election were a major part of seeding the virus in the population to create this latest wave. People point to the Trump rallies, and there's no doubt every damn one of them was a superspreader event that should have never happened. And private parties etc. But when you put millions of people in the street all over the country in the middle of a pandemic the result is inevitable.

But there's more. There is all that you don't see not being in a place like LA and then there's all the shit about Americans in general that made the people of this country the least likely citizenry on the planet to do what it needed to do to keep a virus like this from bringing the levels of sickness and death to where they are now.

So let's talk about what you DON'T see. Let's talk about Beverly Hills and Santa Monica. It's too easy to talk about Orange County and other more conservative counties. People are being destroyed financially in those counties, small businesses are being wiped off the face of the earth by the thousands. They are predictably defiant and fighting back and so are the customers who support them.

But you all probably know about that. You saw the heart wrenching video from the young restaurant owner who had a film crew set up its craft services (dining) area right next to the outdoor dining are she spent ten thousand dollars on only to be shut down. You saw that.

But here's what you don't see. That's Orange County. How about here in the liberal strongholds. Well, we've had outdoor dining all summer and fall in Beverly Hills and Santa Monica. To witness it makes your skin crawl. There's very little social distancing. Of course, mask are unseen for diners. The tables are crowded. I've seen people taking off their masks while they're being seated. They get up and go to the restrooms or leave and pass other diners, walking above where others are sitting without masks, it's a scary shit show.

It's why the county and the governor banned outdoor dining in the county and in the governor's Southern California region. Because they saw this. They've talked about it.

EVERYONE SAW IT FOR MONTHS! The most affluent people on the planet, a helluva lot of them from other countries, so culturally you're talking about people bringing their attitudes towards authority or casting their fates to the wind or whatever, they ate out at crowded sidewalk cafes on crowded streets for months practicing neither social distancing or mask wearing. Everybody could see this happening for fucking months on end. And you better know I have the pictures to prove it.

Same on Montana Ave in Santa Monica and to a lesser extent Wilshire Blvd.

Who owns these restaurants? Let's put it this way. I worked in that industry, in this town. I'm not even going there. I will call Hollywood out for sexual predation till the day I die and I'm not all that worried. These restaurant owners? You may not believe this but we are all still living in a country where there are people who don't want to fuck with if you value your life.

So... when LA County banned outdoor dining what do you think happened. These owners in Beverly Hills put pressure on downtown politicians and the downtown politicians started screaming on their behalf. It didn't work. On the politician's side it was probably just to appease these powerful and wealthy local business leaders. Beverly Hills began to explore the possibility of doing what Pasadena tried to fall back on and that is to form your own health department where you don't have to listen to the county any more. But... you do have to listen to the state and the state also closed outdoor dining so that was the end of the fight.

But my point is that no matter where you go in this country, Republican states, Trumpers, or Democratic liberal strongholds and Hollywood's playground, it doesn't matter. People are resisting the concept of wearing masks, social distancing, shutting down bars and restaurants and small businesses, all of it.

And I live in a city and in a part of that city with great diversity from wealthy countries around the world, Europe and the Middle East, there is a defiance and arrogance about American rules and regulations that OOZES out of the affluent here from other places.

So let's talk about one last thing that other countries employed to slow down spread of the virus. Contact tracing. In America. lol.

So you get a positive test. You were at work. With your boss. Your boss has a business where you work and a family. And he doesn't even like you very much. And it's a pandemic economy and you REALLY can't afford to lose a job. They ask you who you have had contact with. You KNOW that if you tell them you had contact with your boss at work that they're going to go to him and, if this was done with the authority that you might see in Japan or South Korea or New Zealand you know they're going to get into your boss's business and his family.

How about your own friends and family. Now I know that this place has a lot of IDK ... goody two shoes... who will claim they would give the names of their friends and family to contact tracers... good for you. But one hell of a lot of Americans would be very hesitant to share names of their friends and family. KNOWING that the contract tracers are going to be contacting those friends and family and maybe wreaking havoc on everyone's personal lives.

Add to all that American defiance. Suspicion of authority. On and on.

Donald Trump is one man. He is a stinker of an asshole and in many many ways was a deplorable president. 80% unfit for office. But this is virus. It's travels on the wind like a cold or the flu. The species and our political structures and economic realities and living and social structures IN THE WEST... were never conducive to battling the spread of coronavirus in the way that some of these other countries were able to.

So much inequality. So many people one paycheck away from being homeless. So many depend every week on a thriving capitalist economy just to survive. On the other end much wealth and arrogance.

It seems you put most of the responsibility for these later waves on the people. I'm not blaming them but just as a matter of fact, I agree. I hope I was able flesh out my perspective on that aspect of this without really hanging regular people out to dry. But I don't think our political leadership or Trump is to blame for where we are now. This was and is just nature doing what nature does. JMO.



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311,000

Great job, Trump.


Ah, our friend cthskzfn is still with us. In spirit at least.



If you like posting on the topic of women's basketball here on Rebkell's, stay on that side of things.


LOLOL the person who went off for the posting a tweet replies with a gif... how rich.


So look around you here at the better of the discussions we're having and try to do it like that. And don't poke at me again.



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311,000

Great job, Trump.


Ah, our friend cthskzfn is still with us. In spirit at least.

If you like posting on the topic of women's basketball here on Rebkell's, stay on that side of things.


Are you positing that huskiemaniac IS cthskzfn? This is absolutely not true. Or that Cth coerced huskiemaniac to make the post as if huskiemaniac can't make the post themselves? And I don't much like the threat posted either.


I don't think you understand how surreal it is to see your username here giving me shit.

You've been banned more times than even cthskzfn was. You're still here on this message board for one reason: because I'm soft. You can't encounter someone like you on the internet and have a perception of them for almost two decades and not feel sorry for that person. But people get to a point where they just don't care any more. Add to that about ten years and that's where I am right now.

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It seems you put most of the responsibility for these later waves on the people. I'm not blaming them but just as a matter of fact, I agree. I hope I was able flesh out my perspective on that aspect of this without really hanging regular people out to dry. But I don't think our political leadership or Trump is to blame for where we are now. This was and is just nature doing what nature does. JMO.


I think we are in agreement in a lot of places. I blame Trump primarily for our inaction in the early days of the pandemic, but the rest isn't on him. I blame the American people for what followed. I don't have your perspective on the contributions of the privileged and culturally arrogant, but I've seen the grassroots contribution, from Sturgis and the wedding in Maine, to entire families that are now infected because they had to have a traditional Thanksgiving. There has also been some hubris in the scientific community that didn't help (see Biogen... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/us/biogen-conference-covid-spread.html).

We are too dysfunctional, with the arrogant, the religious right, anti-science idiots, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, the just plain selfish, professional protesters, and other special interest groups undermining control of this pandemic, all with access to social media to stir up like-minded stupidity while the mainstream media gives them airplay.


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It seems you put most of the responsibility for these later waves on the people. I'm not blaming them but just as a matter of fact, I agree. I hope I was able flesh out my perspective on that aspect of this without really hanging regular people out to dry. But I don't think our political leadership or Trump is to blame for where we are now. This was and is just nature doing what nature does. JMO.


I think we are in agreement in a lot of places. I blame Trump primarily for our inaction in the early days of the pandemic, but the rest isn't on him. I blame the American people for what followed. I don't have your perspective on the contributions of the privileged and culturally arrogant, but I've seen the grassroots contribution, from Sturgis and the wedding in Maine, to entire families that are now infected because they had to have a traditional Thanksgiving. There has also been some hubris in the scientific community that didn't help (see Biogen... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/us/biogen-conference-covid-spread.html).

We are too dysfunctional, with the arrogant, the religious right, anti-science idiots, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, the just plain selfish, professional protesters, and other special interest groups undermining control of this pandemic, all with access to social media to stir up like-minded stupidity while the mainstream media gives them airplay.


There it is. Not sure how well the truth plays here though but that’s it. If there’s one thing Trump did that was right (meaning: correct in his reading of the country) but wrong in leading us through the virus it was his very out in front understanding of just how opposed to every aspect of public efforts to contain the virus the public was likely to be. I could see it here in LA from the beginning. People just weren’t having it. The Barbara Ferrer (LA County Coronavirus Task Force) lady said it just this week. It turns out you can’t actually control people to that degree. They’re going to ignore you and do what they want. We’ve got police departments announcing that they won’t participate in any enforcement efforts of coronavirus restrictions. That’s why we could never have numbers like Japan or South Korea. Came up with a couple of vaccines that are 99% effective at preventing serious illness due to COVID though so all is not lost in terms of who we are as a society.



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I blame Trump primarily for our inaction in the early days of the pandemic, but the rest isn't on him. I blame the American people for what followed. I don't have your perspective on the contributions of the privileged and culturally arrogant, but I've seen the grassroots contribution, from Sturgis and the wedding in Maine, to entire families that are now infected because they had to have a traditional Thanksgiving. There has also been some hubris in the scientific community that didn't help.
We are too dysfunctional, with the arrogant, the religious right, anti-science idiots, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, the just plain selfish, professional protesters, and other special interest groups undermining control of this pandemic, all with access to social media to stir up like-minded stupidity while the mainstream media gives them airplay.


These ideas stated above are core to the entire discussion, imo: all the complex layers mentioned are becoming clearer as time unfolds its picture of this pandemic. "We The People" inspires many images....but seldom do we use it to frame our own foibles and follies as they reveal themselves in a crisis like this: "We The People" have fkked up, hugely. This doesn't exonerate 45, though; he's certainly not solely responsible, but as our #1 leader, he REALLY goofed, in a consistent and ongoing way.

jammerbirdi wrote:
So much inequality. So many people one paycheck away from being homeless. So many depend every week on a thriving capitalist economy just to survive. On the other end much wealth and arrogance.


....and this is proof of how his decisions hurt Americans: he TELLS Bob Woodward ON A RECORDING that he was well aware of Covid's insane virulence, but he choose to play it down so as not to "scare people", i.e., keep the economy strong. The Economy that has not/was not serving the poorest half of our country. He continues to brag about a fabulous economy....fabulous for whom? NOT the majority of Americans. *Probably* not the majority of Americans who've fallen to this virus.

jammerbirdi wrote:
It seems you put most of the responsibility for these later waves on the people. I'm not blaming them but just as a matter of fact, I agree. I hope I was able flesh out my perspective on that aspect of this without really hanging regular people out to dry. But I don't think our political leadership or Trump is to blame for where we are now. This was and is just nature doing what nature does. JMO.


Not solely. But he clearly constitutes his own entire Layer of Shit in the debacle. His choices in leadership decisions were selfish and narcissistically motivated, and had an impact on huge numbers of people . Proof? How MANY believed -- and followed -- his idiotic ideas and misinformation? 70+ million people voted for him, after his inept performance. He had a very concrete impact on peoples' perceptions of how to proceed in this pandemic.

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Stay out of Area 51. Make one complaint about how unfair everything is for you here on this tiny little corner of the internet anywhere on Rebkell's and you’re gone for good.


Jammer....REALLY?? Being heavy-handed in 3 month intervals isn't a consistency that benefits our board discussions. I don't see anything here that's terribly offensive or outrageous. Snide? Maybe. Ignore it.



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Unfortunately, this dissection doesn't change the fact that we had nearly 250K new cases and 3600 deaths yesterday and our hospitals are just crushed. It would be nice if the analysis helped to prevent the same catastrophe with the next new pandemic, but people are not going to change their behavior.

Zero ICU beds available in southern Cal right now.


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FrozenLVFan wrote:
I blame Trump primarily for our inaction in the early days of the pandemic, but the rest isn't on him. I blame the American people for what followed. I don't have your perspective on the contributions of the privileged and culturally arrogant, but I've seen the grassroots contribution, from Sturgis and the wedding in Maine, to entire families that are now infected because they had to have a traditional Thanksgiving. There has also been some hubris in the scientific community that didn't help.
We are too dysfunctional, with the arrogant, the religious right, anti-science idiots, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, the just plain selfish, professional protesters, and other special interest groups undermining control of this pandemic, all with access to social media to stir up like-minded stupidity while the mainstream media gives them airplay.


These ideas stated above are core to the entire discussion, imo: all the complex layers mentioned are becoming clearer as time unfolds its picture of this pandemic. "We The People" inspires many images....but seldom do we use it to frame our own foibles and follies as they reveal themselves in a crisis like this: "We The People" have fkked up, hugely. This doesn't exonerate 45, though; he's certainly not solely responsible, but as our #1 leader, he REALLY goofed, in a consistent and ongoing way.


I can kind of get with this statement. The sentiment is mostly correct and it's not really that arguable on substance.

jammerbirdi wrote:
So much inequality. So many people one paycheck away from being homeless. So many depend every week on a thriving capitalist economy just to survive. On the other end much wealth and arrogance.


Howee wrote:
....and this is proof of how his decisions hurt Americans: he TELLS Bob Woodward ON A RECORDING that he was well aware of Covid's insane virulence, but he choose to play it down so as not to "scare people", i.e., keep the economy strong. The Economy that has not/was not serving the poorest half of our country. He continues to brag about a fabulous economy....fabulous for whom? NOT the majority of Americans. *Probably* not the majority of Americans who've fallen to this virus.


You've lost me now. Again, there's truth here, but there's so much complexity to this situation and how it negatively effected the people of this country both in terms of their health and the economy that this is just a start of the empty rhetoric factor in discussing this. I've shown in numbers that having six different governmental leaders and even forms of government did not deliver to 332M Europeans much of a different outcome in the form of COVID deaths than we have suffered in the US under Trump.

That's number one. Number two, the concept of not wanting to panic the people given that no one had seen a pandemic this deadly and destructive in a hundred years does not, IMO, put Trump in some category of evil that people have taken that conversation to represent and have run with in that way. It gave people who hate Trump a smoking gun. For many people, even this lifelong progressive Democrat, I honestly thought to myself when hearing that, "Yeah, I get that." Maybe I wouldn't be a good president either. I think I would make a GREAT PRESIDENT. Very Happy But maybe not. Crying or Very sad

To Trump, the economy is The Economy. He sees it as a monolithic thing. The guy has been looking at the economy his entire business life. We know he's not a Jamey Dimon or Michael Bloomberg when it comes to business smarts. I'm sure he has his parameters that he latches onto to tell him what he thinks he needs to know.

But wow. The neo-liberal wing of our own party sold out the working classes in this country decades ago and that has been ongoing throughout the interim. We first started to hear the term New Gilded Age during Obama's first term. Just on an economic level Obama's presidency was the worst for inequality in this country ever. Inequality and pain at the lower end of the economy rose exponentially during his administration. These things helped prime the country for the rise of Donald Trump. We had some great and tragically painful threads to read through here on Rebkell's highlighting how this country was abandoning those most in need during the Obama administration.

But no, I don't think any of us were even close to tying it specifically to Obama or blaming him then. I am now. Not just him certainly. My perspective on the modern Democratic Party has changed dramatically. I've said I want to destroy it and, if I can accomplish that while mostly sitting around on my couch playing my guitars then I'm going to do my level best to poison perspectives anywhere I can on what exactly is going on in American politics.

Trump and the Democrats are definitely responsible for one giant aspect of where we are now and their inaction has been typically horrible but unforgivable on a historic level. They allowed most of the largest stimulus package moneys to go to those at the top of the economy and let the bottom drop out for those on the other end. And they never came back with more help for the people. And Nancy Pelosi is on record saying she wasn't going to give Trump a check to send to people with his name on it before the election. She passed on a 1.8 TRILLION dollar stimulus that Trump wanted because, yeah, he wanted to do exactly that and before the election. Now they're negotiating for what AOC would aptly call 'crumbs.' Subtract a TRILLION DOLLARS from the amount Pelosi would have gotten in stimulus before the election.

But Trump was president and he should have been focused like a laser all summer and fall on getting more money to the people who actually desperately needed it. Is anybody surprised he wasn't? Or that the Republican Party was able to dissuade him from emphasizing this? So if you're going to bring up the economy... that's complicated but in the end you can always count on one thing: big money goes to help big money and the people will always get screwed.

That, I would suggest, is not sustainable. This pandemic will change us politically forever. That I predict. But Trump's instincts to keep the country open and the economy running as close to the levels it was had a lot of support throughout this country and you are seeing that now in the face of widespread death and an overwhelmed healthcare system. They are still fighting to open up restaurants here in LA and that fight is still taking place in many parts of the country.


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jammerbirdi wrote:
It seems you put most of the responsibility for these later waves on the people. I'm not blaming them but just as a matter of fact, I agree. I hope I was able flesh out my perspective on that aspect of this without really hanging regular people out to dry. But I don't think our political leadership or Trump is to blame for where we are now. This was and is just nature doing what nature does. JMO.


Not solely. But he clearly constitutes his own entire Layer of Shit in the debacle. His choices in leadership decisions were selfish and narcissistically motivated, and had an impact on huge numbers of people . Proof? How MANY believed -- and followed -- his idiotic ideas and misinformation? 70+ million people voted for him, after his inept performance. He had a very concrete impact on peoples' perceptions of how to proceed in this pandemic.


Layers of shit, narcissistically motivated, impact on huge numbers of people. Okay got it. lol. Howee this is just bitching. 70+ million people voting for him and all that.

Are you afraid to blame the George Floyd BLM protests that dominated our headlines throughout the summer? Put millions in the streets with no social distancing and so often without masks? In the middle of a pandemic? Do you understand the horror that so many people looked at those images with? Maybe the far right anti-maskers didn't react to seeing it that way. And maybe really woke pro-BLM supporters only saw it as something beautiful. But I never, watching those POLTICAL scenes, ever could remove myself from the idea that there was deadly virus in our midst that had already killed a hundred thousand people and that we had just 'flattened the curve' when all this hell broke lose putting millions in the streets in protest.

Were those protesters influenced by Donald Trump? Because more than any other group they sowed the seeds of all the death we're seeing now. People are afraid to say this? Why don't I hear it here? How are you blaming Trump when people who you are politically aligned with in spirit if not in deed were arguably the most destructive purveyors of the virus itself?

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Stay out of Area 51. Make one complaint about how unfair everything is for you here on this ti
ny little corner of the internet anywhere on Rebkell's and you’re gone for good.


Jammer....REALLY?? Being heavy-handed in 3 month intervals isn't a consistency that benefits our board discussions. I don't see anything here that's terribly offensive or outrageous. Snide? Maybe. Ignore it.


Oh yeah, really. Up until last night that person could participate in discussions on Area 51 and can still participate on the rest of Rebkell's. She does not as a rule come over to this side much at all so this shouldn't really impact her typical experience here on Rebkell's.

But hear me well. This person was banned so many times from Rebkell's that no one can say how many times. MANY before you were even here. Those bans were sweated over (not all the time because she made it a pretty easy decision so often) mostly by one person, ME. And then when she was banned the fun only started with the push back. That's my history here with not just her but others as well.

So that person LONG ago lost her right to publicly question or render an opinion on how anyone running this place is doing their job. She's been on a short leash for 15 years. If she doesn't know that maybe it's just that she has forgotten after all the times she's been thrown off. But I never EVER forget that short-leash part.

rAf~ has been banned right out of this thread this year! And banned again after that for another thread on Area 51 interfering with me doing what I felt had to be done! I'm letting her slide back over to the basketball side because I'm hoping she appreciates being able to post on basketball enough to settle down for a minute.

This place, on either side, is for engaging in discussion. Passionately but respectfully. We do it, Howee. You and I. Mostly. If passions get the best of people once or twice that's understandable. Did I ban you when you said I was nuts?

After all these years, I'm sorry, I KNOW there are things I don't owe some people here and some things I don't owe anyone here. Sometimes I don't mind explaining myself and sometimes I do. I have HAD to keep score. You're not always going to get an explanation and when it comes to people who have been fucking with me for almost two decades of my life you're really not entitled to one.

But for them? Uh-uh. Me being jabbed at or taking shit directly from them is something I'm pretty touchy about. As a rule/non-rule, I laid that out in 2005. Don't push back once you are banned. And yeah, don't push back on behalf of someone who is banned. Leave it alone. If I LIKED banning people, you wouldn't even have ever seen rAf~ or experienced her because she would have been permanently banned before you even got here in 2009.

So in trying to get a handle on how many times this person was banned just this year... I somehow found this from 2012 and thought it now comically ironic. But it shows how much slack I gave people who just HAD to always be fucking with me.

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There's a time limit on how long we can fuck with jammer over something?



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There's a time limit on how long we can fuck with jammer over something?


How many times have you been banned for it? Or for anything? And have you not been fucking with me, trolling me, from day one? Anybody can fuck with me. But if someone has been banned and warned so many times for their behaviors here that no one can remember how many times and I’ve had to spend hours out of my life dealing with them and then they’ve been banned AFTER THAT for fucking with me?

If you’ve been banned... ever... don’t poke at me on the topic of moderation or anything like that. You want to argue about topics like politics et al that’s always welcome. But these guys have been warned and if they forgot or they missed that part of our interactions then that’s their problem. Don’t make it yours.

Also, pilight, I know you’re just fucking with me, again, and that’s okay, but the little dishonest absurdities like this... that’s not levity. That’s an untrue statement about me and who I am or what I’ve done or how I do it that contributes to people getting a false impression and it actually encourages these bad actors to keep at it.

But you’ve never been banned here for your behavior. If you want to use the leeway you’ve earned for that to contribute putting untrue notions into people’s heads about me then that’s on you. It doesn’t have anything to do with me actually and doesn’t remotely reflect what’s going on here.



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So pilight what do you think of the numbers I’ve posted here with the six first world European countries totaling the US population and them being pretty much in the same ball park on COVID deaths? How do YOU think that jibes with this narrative that Trump is to blame for our death numbers? What flaws do you think there might be in taking those countries and comparing them as I did?



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So pilight what do you think of the numbers I’ve posted here with the six first world European countries totaling the US population and being pretty much in the same ball park on COVID deaths? How do YOU think that jibes with the narrative that Trump is to blame for our death numbers?


It's a dumb narrative. Viruses don't care who the president is.

There are things that could have been done better, to be sure. A stronger leader might have been able to cut the toll a bit. OTOH, the federalist structure of the US, with substantial state autonomy, significantly limits what a president can do in a pandemic.

The US doesn't really compare easily to European nations where everything is within spitting distance of some other country you can't do anything about. The comparison to places like Japan and South Korea, which have no land access at all, also don't work well.



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A stronger leader would not have given up those daily WH coronavirus task force briefings. He or she would have kept his or her cool and not let the press troll or bait him into overreacting in the hostile ways this guy is pre-programmed for. And it is my opinion that those briefings were the most important thing this government and especially this president could have done and that would have certainly saved some lives.

Those briefings kept the country focused. It kept Trump's base locked in. A lot of the time, and I mean this, he performed that function like you would expect a good TV person either playing the part of a president who cared and was in charge or... maybe the right person to perform that particular function at this particular moment, very well.

It kept his base locked in, but the briefings also kept the part of America that didn't preternaturally despise Trump paying attention to the problem we were facing as a country. His numbers were going up. This was at times the best version of Trump that I certainly could imagine.

Where we lost control of this from the governmental level was in our losing those briefings. We lost them because Trump was weak and a small man and he allowed himself to be baited by a hostile press. But I've said this before and I'll say it again. I blame the press. Instead of trying to think about this as a problem SO dire that we all MUST pull together... they politicized this pandemic. They saw inconsistencies that are inherent in Trump's character and his personal demeanor and they zeroed in like sharks in an attempt to undermine him... but with it... they managed to derail and destroy ALL THE GOOD that Fauci and Birx and all the other professionals were trying to get into and out of those press briefings. Because they could not let Trump find his footing and rhythm as a president at this dire historic moment via his performing well in those briefings.

After the bleach drinking fiasco... and we know Trump didn't suggest anyone drink bleach... Trump bailed on the briefings with his tail between his legs. That was weak. He really needed to be a better person at that point than he is actually capable of being. But people don't decry him for this. People who hate Trump don't even mention what I would call his greatest failing during the coronavirus. And that's because people are incapable of uttering the truth if that truth contains in it anything positive about Trump. So you say Trump needed to keep up the daily briefings and people will basically call you a Trump loving racist. lol.

So no Trump, no TV show. Soon no White House Coronavirus Task Force briefings at all. I RAILED in real time as it was going down that we HAD Fauci and Deborah Birx and thanks to the press scaring Trump off the podium we were going to end up with Kayleigh McEnany and within a few weeks she became the only source of information on coronavirus coming out of the White House.

This, to me, was an incredibly bad turn of events for the country. We lost our focus on our government's response and our national leadership on coronavirus at that moment and we have never come close to regaining that focus again.

How much any of that would have changed things in terms of deaths? Who can say?

So here I sit in a massively populous part of the country, probably 30 million people within 200 miles of where I'm sitting, and there's no ICU beds left in the entire region designated by the governor as Southern California. None. If I understood correctly, there's no hospital beds at all. Patients are waiting in ambulances for up to 7 hours to even get into a building. Of course tents are set up and patients are being housed there but there's also not enough personnel to adequately treat those patients. I'm not making this up I just heard it from a nursing supervisor on the news and in the various reports.

I think 18 or so refrigerated trucks are in place now as temporary morgues here in LA. Thousands of extra body bags have been ordered.

I don't know what it's like where you guys are. I never thought it would get this bad in California. Not in LA. But when I rode around this town taking pictures of all the people eschewing all the best practices for getting through this pandemic I did think, many times and maybe all the time, this has to eventually come back and bite us all in the asses.

So anyway. Yeah, I too think the narrative that Trump is responsible for the death toll is dumb. I don't like to use the word 'dumb' around here though because I don't want to encourage use of words like that to describe the opinions of others here... so just so everyone knows I'm just agreeing with you.




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