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PostPosted: 03/06/20 9:09 pm    ::: Coronavirus Reply Reply with quote

It's probably time to have a thread for discussion of any impacts that it will have.

Stanford has announced that it reducing capacity for all of its other sports for at least a month to respect county guidelines. They are withholding comment on women's basketball impacts. If they have restrictions, will they be allowed to host? Would they do neutral site hosting, perhaps somewhere in the Bay Area without the restrictions if available or would it revert to another team in the pod?

Has anyone heard anything about discussions about regionals and the Final Four. Given the specific demographic makeup of fans for this sport, they should probably do more planning about it compared to other sports.
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PostPosted: 03/06/20 9:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Chicago State cancelled two games



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PostPosted: 03/06/20 9:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Chicago State cancelled its last 2 games of the season for both MBB and WBB due to coronavirus concerns, however they're attending the WAC tourney. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28833590/chicago-state-men-basketball-team-not-traveling-due-virus-women-home-games-canceled

Note there's a thread in Area 51 for general coronavirus discussion.


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PostPosted: 03/06/20 10:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Chicago State cancelled those games because the men's team was scheduled to play at Seattle University.


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PostPosted: 03/06/20 11:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Some DIII tournament games at Johns Hopkins were played without a crowd.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-sp-bkc-coronavirus-johns-hopkins-basketball-20200306-affvis2wl5exfbeim5gwlu5klm-story.html



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PostPosted: 03/06/20 11:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I haven't seen any issues with the Washington fans in Las Vegas. But then again there aren't that many


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PostPosted: 03/07/20 12:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Be sure to wash your hands everywhere you go. But it would be better if you don't go anywhere.....


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PostPosted: 03/07/20 10:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

One high school playoff game was cancelled in the Bay Area, and if cases continue to mount, it would not surprise me if the state championships March 13-14 were also cancelled.

Would you want to be the administrator who allowed your school to play in an event that might increase the risk of CoVid-19, and then have an outbreak at your school that maybe killed a faculty member?

This is a classic zero-infinity issue: The chances are almost zero, but the consequences are almost infinite.



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PostPosted: 03/07/20 11:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Virginia Public Health Department has a better grip on this than the federal government. I imagine most state health departments do. They are not peddling fear. They say if you have symptoms of a *severe* illness, stay home. A runny nose is not a reason to stay home. Otherwise, wash your hands, don't touch your face, wash your hands, cough into your elbow, wash your hands, and STOP FREAKING OUT.

It is my personal opinion as a nurse that the 24 hour news cycle and the internet have more to do with the current panic than the actual severity of the illness. I lived through the first iteration of the Asian flu in 1957-58 as a teenager. It was far more deadly than this, but we didn't have those things, so we just went about our business. The hospitals were full to overflowing, doctors' offices worked overtime, but schools didn't close. Most of us had somebody sick in our family, but we coped. People went to work, or stayed home if they were sick. My mom was deathly sick in the bedroom across the hall from mine. My dad went to his teaching job at UW-Madison but didn't hold office hours. We kids went to school. I was 14 and learned to cook meals for the family. The laundry got done. The house didn't exactly get cleaned but the dishes got washed. The doctor came by every evening after office hours (they still did back then) for a week. We coped, as did a lot of other families. There was not a large scale freakout. Life went on. People died, but eventually it was over. We did not lose any faculty members in our school, or any students, although we did have quite a few absences. Kids had sick parents. But we coped. And life went on.



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PostPosted: 03/07/20 1:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bcdawg04 wrote:
Chicago State cancelled those games because the men's team was scheduled to play at Seattle University.


UMKC cancelled a game they were scheduled to play in Seattle as well.


Not sure if this is more appropriate here or in the other thread, but the San Jose Sharks were told by the county health dept they should cancel or resched a game and they refused. Their conception of keeping spectators safe is pretty laughable considering the numbers of people jammed into their seats.

"The team said in its statement that its arena, the SAP Center, “undergoes a rigorous cleaning procedure after each and every event, with particular attention paid to high-traffic, high public-contact areas. … Many areas will receive additional, enhanced measures throughout the course of events for the foreseeable future.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/03/05/san-jose-sharks-advised-by-county-cancel-game-due-coronavirus-they-refused/


Should the NCAA and other leagues be mandating schools and teams follow CDC and state/county recommendations?


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PostPosted: 03/07/20 1:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There are what 300 million people in the USA? How many have died from this virus? Every death is unfortunate, but the %'s are VERY low in the US compared to the overall population in the USA.

This seems to be like when MIRSA hit the USA or even SARS...everyone panicked and then we have NEVER heard anything about it since...

Be more concerned that 10's of thousands die from the flu every year in the US...that is a TRUE tragedy...

the USA leads ALL nations with a health care system in mothers who die giving birth...more women have died giving birth in the USA then have died from the Co-Vid 19.

Take precautions, but I think Americans are being panicked to death and companies are making TONS of money off of this panic.


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PostPosted: 03/07/20 3:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A Vox reporter just went to the COVID-19 hotspot in Italy to report on it. When she flew back into JFK she was not stopped or talked to. So it is great to be cautious and cancel events, but our efforts with regard to international travel have been slow (China travel now has restrictions but people flew back uncontacted by the government even after Wuhan was put on lockdown) and woefully inadequate. I think it is too early to talk about “what percent of people have it” as it started in China and people have to spread it by unmonitored international travel first before it can be spread by local contact. Some guy who rides the train to work just got it in New York from an unknown local contact. He gave it to his wife and kids, the neighbor who drove him to the hospital and people at his synagogue. And could have given it to people on the train.


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PostPosted: 03/07/20 3:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Johns Hopkins men's D3 games go with no spectators
https://time.com/5797847/johns-hopkins-basketball-coronavirus/

Stanford is going with a (if I may say so) rather small restriction :
"Limiting public attendance to approximately 1/3 of each venue's capacity through April 15 or until further notice"
https://gostanford.com/news/2020/3/3/stanford-athletics-coronavirus-update.aspx


So that's Johns Hopkins, contrasted with Stanford.


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PostPosted: 03/07/20 4:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
I haven't seen any issues with the Washington fans in Las Vegas. But then again there aren't that many


Good thing the old Key Arena is under construction and the tourney isn't in Seattle this year!

There could be fans in Las Vegas who traveled from Seattle who aren't Washington fans.

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bcdawg04 wrote:
Chicago State cancelled those games because the men's team was scheduled to play at Seattle University.


UMKC cancelled a game they were scheduled to play in Seattle as well.


Not sure if this is more appropriate here or in the other thread, but the San Jose Sharks were told by the county health dept they should cancel or resched a game and they refused. Their conception of keeping spectators safe is pretty laughable considering the numbers of people jammed into their seats.


The Sounders intend to play at CenturyLink tonight as scheduled.

snzuluz wrote:
There are what 300 million people in the USA? How many have died from this virus? Every death is unfortunate, but the %'s are VERY low in the US compared to the overall population in the USA.

This seems to be like when MIRSA hit the USA or even SARS...everyone panicked and then we have NEVER heard anything about it since...

Be more concerned that 10's of thousands die from the flu every year in the US...that is a TRUE tragedy...

the USA leads ALL nations with a health care system in mothers who die giving birth...more women have died giving birth in the USA then have died from the Co-Vid 19.

Take precautions, but I think Americans are being panicked to death and companies are making TONS of money off of this panic.


Yesterday, the state of Washington had 70 confirmed cases of COVID-19. This morning, there are 102 confirmed cases--with 16 deaths. Obviously, this doesn't give the full picture for the mortality rate. We know there were many other cases out there that went undiagnosed because up until the last week of February, only seriously ill patients who recently traveled to China or had close contact with someone who recently traveled to China could get tested for COVID-19. 80% of patients with COVID-19 do not become seriously ill and only have mild symptoms.

COVID-19 is not like the flu. There is no vaccine for COVID-19. There is no immunity. There is no anti-viral treatment. 80% of patients will have mild symptoms, and the more indifferent or ignorant they are, the faster it will spread. Then the 20% will overwhelm our healthcare system.


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PostPosted: 03/07/20 5:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

bcdawg04 wrote:
Yesterday, the state of Washington had 70 confirmed cases of COVID-19. This morning, there are 102 confirmed cases--with 16 deaths. Obviously, this doesn't give the full picture for the mortality rate. We know there were many other cases out there that went undiagnosed because up until the last week of February, only seriously ill patients who recently traveled to China or had close contact with someone who recently traveled to China could get tested for COVID-19. 80% of patients with COVID-19 do not become seriously ill and only have mild symptoms.

COVID-19 is not like the flu. There is no vaccine for COVID-19. There is no immunity. There is no anti-viral treatment. 80% of patients will have mild symptoms, and the more indifferent or ignorant they are, the faster it will spread. Then the 20% will overwhelm our healthcare system.


It's also apparently transmissible even when someone has it but is still asymptomatic, and even though the CDC et al are recommending quarantine periods of 14 days, there were patients on that cruise ship whose tests became positive 21 days after exposure. This means virtually everyone is going to be infected, including healthcare providers. This is going to be a healthcare mess for months.


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PostPosted: 03/07/20 5:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

People. Get a damn grip, ok? No, it is not like the flu. Do you realize that the flu vaccine every year is based on a best-guess scenario, and that there is often some strain that sneaks in "under the radar" so to speak, and people get sick from it and some even die? Do you realize that has already happened this year and that this particular iteration of flu has been pretty dang nasty? Probably not, because the media have been busy sensationalizing COVID-19.

Secondarily, COVID-19 is *not* a new virus. It's been out there for awhile, just as HIV was prior to 1980, but some vector, possibly in the Wuhan market, kicked it into gear this winter. It's a variant of the same virus that causes the common cold. The reason it's called "novel" is not because it's a truly new virus, but because this version hasn't been identified as an epidemic-casing virus previously.

Thirdly, there are a couple of reason for the high morbidity/mortality rate in China that you may not understand or be aware of. China is, for the most part, a Second World Country, with high population density and poor sanitation. Very few places can be classified as having First World status, and even those have high population density. There are some places that are pretty close to Third World. Pollution in urban areas is pretty awful; you may have seen pictures. And many, many Chinese are smokers. All of these factors likely contributed to that high morbidity/mortality rate. Of course their reporting is probably not honest either, but from what we can extrapolate, the largest percentage of deaths was in the elderly population, many of whom had likely been smokers for many years.

Now for heaven's sakes, wash your hands and stop scaring yourselves.



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People. Get a damn grip, ok? No, it is not like the flu. Do you realize that the flu vaccine every year is based on a best-guess scenario, and that there is often some strain that sneaks in "under the radar" so to speak, and people get sick from it and some even die? Do you realize that has already happened this year and that this particular iteration of flu has been pretty dang nasty? Probably not, because the media have been busy sensationalizing COVID-19.

Secondarily, COVID-19 is *not* a new virus. It's been out there for awhile, just as HIV was prior to 1980, but some vector, possibly in the Wuhan market, kicked it into gear this winter. It's a variant of the same virus that causes the common cold. The reason it's called "novel" is not because it's a truly new virus, but because this version hasn't been identified as an epidemic-casing virus previously.

Thirdly, there are a couple of reasons for the high morbidity/mortality rate in China that you may not understand or be aware of. China is, for the most part, a Second World Country, with high population density and poor sanitation. Very few places can be classified as having First World status, and even those have high population density. There are some places that are pretty close to Third World. Pollution in urban areas is pretty awful; you may have seen pictures. And many, many Chinese are smokers. All of these factors likely contributed to that high morbidity/mortality rate. Of course their reporting is probably not honest either, but from what we can extrapolate, the largest percentage of deaths was in the elderly population, many of whom had likely been smokers for many years.

Now for heaven's sakes, wash your hands and stop scaring yourselves.



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PostPosted: 03/07/20 6:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Overall, I agree with summertime ... it's a flu, and a lot of people will get it, and a few will die -- in fact, it's quite possible some of the 14,000 who died last year died from this virus. We'll never know.

But the responsibility to make decisions about CoVid-19 is different than a personal reaction to it. If I decided to keep a school open, say, and then half my staff got the virus, and someone's mother then died of it, it would be very hard to live with. Even if my closing the school would have made no difference, it would be very difficult to accept.

I think the issue isn't its virulence but the raw number of people who appear likely to get it, and the ensuing strain it will put on the health care system.



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Now for heaven's sakes, wash your hands and stop scaring yourselves.


I didn't know rebkell had a resident expert on the subject.


https://ktla.com/news/world-health-organization-declines-to-call-coronavirus-a-pandemic-despite-growing-cases/

On Friday, the virus hit a new milestone, infecting more than 100,000 people worldwide, far more than those sickened by SARS, MERS or Ebola in recent years.

“I think it’s pretty clear we’re in a pandemic and I don’t know why WHO is resisting that,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

Experts acknowledge that declaring a pandemic is politically fraught because it can rattle markets, lead to more drastic travel and trade restrictions and stigmatize people coming from affected regions. WHO was previously criticized for labeling the 2009 swine flu outbreak a pandemic. But experts said calling this crisis a pandemic could also spur countries to prepare for the virus’s eventual arrival.



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People. Get a damn grip, ok? No, it is not like the flu. Do you realize that the flu vaccine every year is based on a best-guess scenario, and that there is often some strain that sneaks in "under the radar" so to speak, and people get sick from it and some even die? Do you realize that has already happened this year and that this particular iteration of flu has been pretty dang nasty? Probably not, because the media have been busy sensationalizing COVID-19.


Seems more serious than the flu right now to me: higher death rate and the symptoms seem more severe for those that are hospitalized. But maybe people are in intensive care with the flu but not being reported and flu deaths do seem to only be reported as a total. But the lowest death rate estimate I have seen so far was based off the aggressive testing in South Korea which uncovered more people who had COVID-19 but without symptoms. That was still 6 times what the flu was said to be (which varies year to year and strain to strain). It is true that I would be less concerned about COVID-19 and more concerned about the flu if they reported flu death counts around the world and locally on a regular basis. The phrase “died from the flu” is not one I can remember hearing about someone I knew. I do hear about people dying from pneumonia. The Chinese doctors were said to have suspected a new virus when they started noticing people with untreatable pneumonia-like symptoms (not flu-like). I read that both flu and COVID-19 deaths are mostly for people over 60, but that doesn’t help most of us here.

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Secondarily, COVID-19 is *not* a new virus. It's been out there for awhile, just as HIV was prior to 1980, but some vector, possibly in the Wuhan market, kicked it into gear this winter.


I have only seen it suspected that it is of bat origin (like SARS) and jumped to humans last fall via an intermediary animal. But even if it has been around for a long time, that doesn’t make it less concerning to me. COVID-19 is similar to other coronaviruses, but one of those is SARS.




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cthskzfn wrote:

Experts acknowledge that declaring a pandemic is politically fraught because it can rattle markets, lead to more drastic travel and trade restrictions and stigmatize people coming from affected regions. WHO was previously criticized for labeling the 2009 swine flu outbreak a pandemic. But experts said calling this crisis a pandemic could also spur countries to prepare for the virus’s eventual arrival.


If it gets bad enough, the resultant high costs will likely change their “let’s hope for the best and do very little as that will cost us the least money if it works out” attitude.


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[quote="ClayK"]Overall, I agree with summertime ... it's a flu, and a lot of people will get it, and a few will die -- in fact, it's quite possible some of the 14,000 who died last year died from this virus. We'll never know.

But the responsibility to make decisions about CoVid-19 is different than a personal reaction to it. If I decided to keep a school open, say, and then half my staff got the virus, and someone's mother then died of it, it would be very hard to live with. Even if my closing the school would have made no difference, it would be very difficult to accept.

I think the issue isn't its virulence but the raw number of people who appear likely to get it, and the ensuing strain it will put on the health care system.[/quote

Clay, please read my post again. I didn't say it was a flu. It isn't. It's actually a virus in the same family as the common cold!

Now as to your comment about keeping schools open and half your staff getting the virus and someone's mom dying of it...this is not a terribly likely scenario, no *more* likely than if it had happened in 1958 with Asian flu. I know someone is going to bring up 1918, which is a whole different ballgame, because its beginning spread had to do with troop movements and most of the victims actually died of secondary infection brought on by an overaggressive immune response...long story although very interesting to medical types.And back then there were no antibiotics either. So let's leave that out of the picture for the moment, shall we?

Our government's response to this has been shameful, to say the least. It goes all the way back to the gutting of federal agencies, including the CDC, but the current response, with the president calling it a "hoax" is both ridiculous and scary. It certainly doesn't make me feel the least bit confident. OTOH, the media's overreaction, with breathless reporting reminiscent of every little rumor, is reminiscent of the Weather Channel's reporting on winter storms...one gets the feeling that they'll be SO disappointed if the apocalypse doesn't happen. That's what has come of the 24-hr. news cycle. So as I said, wash your hands and try to avoid scaring yourselves. And wash your hands.



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PostPosted: 03/08/20 9:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The family of Mariella Santucci, an Italian who plays for Toledo, was apparently prevented from traveling to Toledo after flying in to Chicago from Italy for her senior day. Not much detail in the story as to why or who stopped them in Chicago.


https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/ut/20...0200307119



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Sorry, I wanted this in Area 51.



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Well, it's here, but I think that's okay because it's affecting tournaments, etc.



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