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PostPosted: 12/15/20 2:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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But instead the state governments are telling small businesses to shut down while providing them nothing in compensation.


So....Socialism IS a necessity here and now. Right?


What did they call government programs in the days of FDR and LBJ? Whatever term(s) they used back then would be preferable to "socialism" in my book. Socialism has a specific definition with regard to ownership of "the means of production".

(so....is it better if 'ownership' lies with The People, or The Government??)

What they *called it* -- tomato, tomahto -- is irrelevant to its basic principles. Socialism comes in many flavors and its implementation takes many forms. What Venezuela or Cuba call socialism is not what Bernie or AOC promote, democratic socialism.
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Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management of enterprises. It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity. While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism, social ownership is the one common element. Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary; how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.


Yes, "socialism" is NOT a four-letter word. Razz


As far as Bernie Sanders and anyone referring to Europe and using socialism in a word pair, analogies are not very good at making a point, but I can't resist. It's like people saying they are a "Democratic homosexual" and pointing to their ownership and regular playing of Cher and Bette Midler albums (males) or their wearing their hair shorter than 4 inches long (females) as examples of their Democratic homosexuality. However, they have only been attracted to the opposite sex in their lifetimes. But people start including "Democratic homosexuality" as one of the many implementations of homosexuality, even though it is lacking any part of the "basic principle" or "characterized by".

I was ready to say that Venezuela was not socialist and all the Republicans using it as an example are incorrect, since I knew it had a stock exchange, something not found in socialist countries. But in checking, it is partly socialist. The government has taken control of the oil industry (back in 1970s) and companies in other industries back about 10 years ago, some of which must be the bulk of that industry (large phone and large utility company). So a fair characterization of Venezuela to me is "part-socialist". But how bad that is economically is hard to determine since South America is full of poor non-socialist countries and we put an embargo on them that more than cancels out any benefit they get from having "heavy oil" (and the oil price has come down from the record plateau a decade ago which).


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PostPosted: 12/15/20 1:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't quite see what this debate about socialism has to do with coronavirus.


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PostPosted: 12/20/20 3:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Army general apologizes for ‘miscommunication’ over vaccine shipments
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The Army general in charge of getting COVID-19 vaccines across the United States apologized Saturday for “miscommunication” with states over the number of doses to be delivered in the early stages of distribution...

The general said he made mistakes by citing numbers of doses that he believed would be ready.

“I am the one who approved forecast sheets. I’m the one who approved allocations,” Perna said. “There is no problem with the process. There is no problem with the Pfizer vaccine. There is no problem with the Moderna vaccine.”

There’s a distinction between manufactured vaccine and doses that are ready to be released. The finished product must undergo “rigorous quality control and sterility tests,” which can take up to a month, the Department of Health and Human Services said.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-12-19/general-sorry-for-miscommunication-over-vaccine-shipments


The Moderna vaccine is ready to be shipped this week.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/942965?src=wnl_edit_tpal&uac=369619HT&impID=2749276&faf=1


Johnson and Johnson's Phase III trial is fully enrolled and they're projected to be ready to apply for their EUA in February. This is a single-dose trial, and they're also running a 2-dose trial.
https://www.jnj.com/our-company/johnson-johnson-announces-its-first-phase-3-covid-19-vaccine-trial-ensemble-is-fully-enrolled[/b]


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PostPosted: 12/21/20 9:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

When people blame Trump for the severity of Covid in the US they should specify which one
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/ivanka-trump-cdc-guidelines



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PostPosted: 12/24/20 3:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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That's truly appalling, but the CDC was on a downhill slide for a long time due to budget and program cuts well before these morons tried to deliver the coup de grace.

One good thing that's come out of this is CREID. The NIH, specifically the Nat'l Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases under Dr Fauci, has established a Centers for Research in Emerging Infectious Diseases.

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The global network will involve multidisciplinary investigations into how and where viruses and other pathogens emerge from wildlife and spillover to cause disease in people. NIAID intends to provide approximately $82 million over five years to support the network.

“The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic serves as a potent reminder of the devastation that can be wrought when a new virus infects humans for the first time,” said NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci. “The CREID network will enable early warnings of emerging diseases wherever they occur, which will be critical to rapid responses. The knowledge gained through this research will increase our preparedness for future outbreaks.”


Hopefully this initiative will continue to get the funding it deserves.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-establishes-centers-research-emerging-infectious-diseases


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PostPosted: 01/05/21 2:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

When you want COVID info, there's only one place to go...

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/conspiracy-theorists-share-schematic-for-5g-chip-they-claim-is-implanted-in-covid-19-vaccines-only-its-actually-for-the-boss-metal-zone

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As soon as it's your turn, you'll have op-amps and 1n4148 diodes injected straight into your bloodstream, apparently



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PostPosted: 01/05/21 4:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I've read several articles today quoting various "experts" who are proposing the second round of vaccines be delayed so more people can get their first injections, citing logistical delays and distribution bottlenecks OR that we cut the amount of the doses in half.

WTF? I am so angry at this that I could spit nails. We've got good studies from 2 manufacturers showing their vaccines are 94-95% effective without significant side effects if 2 doses are given a month apart, and now a bunch of flipping morons want to change dose amounts and schedules out of convenience with zero knowledge of how this will alter the effectiveness of the vaccine. Just a glaring example of the politicization and lack of regard for science that we've been inflicted with during this whole pandemic.


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PostPosted: 01/06/21 4:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://www.insideedition.com/lisa-guerrero-interviews-anti-mask-protest-organizer-who-believes-wearing-masks-is-a-satanic-ritual

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PostPosted: 01/06/21 5:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In VT, a conspiracy theorist with weapons, body armor, ammo, and anti-govt and anti-vax notes was arrested by the ATF.

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The ATF said one source advised Loucks is under the belief the government and the “deep state” are after him, and Loucks made mention that he believes the COVID-19 screening precautions are part of a government conspiracy to gain control over the population...

...[Notes] listed tactics and strategies, and others list hospital locations, pharmacies, prisons, long-term care, primary care, EMTs, nurses, doctors, colleges, and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Vermont, court records show.

One note noted “Vaccine Deceivers:” with “Pfizer/Moderna,” “US Postal Service” and “Police Force” listed below.

Another note mentions the Vermont National Guard sites, including South Burlington, Rutland, Waterbury, St. Albans and Burke, records show. It also mentions two chain pharmacies in Vermont.


https://www.timesargus.com/news/covid19/feds-arrest-vermonter-over-threats/article_38903131-58d6-5dc0-8389-33642abb2c08.html


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PostPosted: 01/08/21 10:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There is an encouraging study that find people with immunity to COVID-19 8 months after they contracted it. There have been people who got COVID-19, and then got it again, but I just heard a guy say in an interview that that was not common. And this article says:

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“Immunity varies from person to person, and uncommon individuals with weak immune memory still may be susceptible to reinfection,” he said.


COVID-19 immunity robust eight months after infection, study says


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PostPosted: 01/08/21 10:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

At 24:23 a doctor with some expertise in the field discusses the idea of giving one vaccine dose and waiting a lot longer for the second, in order to maximize coverage of the population immediately. He refers to the UK's approach as a "pretty extreme decision".

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PostPosted: 01/09/21 4:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This made the TV news in the San Francisco Bay Area. A hospital staff member decided to spread some Christmas cheer in a hospital on Christmas day and it turned into a super spreader event. She was pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic and was in a Christmas tree costume that was air-inflated and had a battery-operated fan inside which blew air out. One woman thinks she was infected from the costumed-employee despite being six feet away during a brief contact, and wearing a mask and face shield. Which sounds like an "aerosol" (fine particles that float in the air for a while) event.

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“She was just spreading joy,” said a nurse who worked that morning.

Instead, her battery-operated, air-powered costume may have spread the coronavirus throughout the ER. In the days since, 44 staff members have become infected, and on Sunday night Kaiser announced that one of the employees working Christmas Day has died, a tragedy that is making worldwide headlines. It wasn’t clear Monday whether any visitors or patients to the unit were also infected.


https://www.record-bee.com/2021/01/06/she-was-just-spreading-joy-kaiser-nurse-reveals-details-of-suspected-christmas-tree-costume-covid-superspreader/


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PostPosted: 01/09/21 10:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Most Covid-19 survivors 'still suffer symptoms 6 months later' new study shows

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Fatigue and muscle weakness are among the long term effects of coronavirus, with the majority of patients reporting issues months after their initially fall ill

More than three quarters of coronavirus patients have at least one ongoing symptom six months after initially becoming unwell, according to a new study.


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PostPosted: 01/19/21 9:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A Troubling New Pattern Among the Coronavirus Variants

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The most concerning versions of the virus are not simply mutating—they’re mutating in similar ways.

Studies are ongoing to figure out exactly how much this mutation affects vaccines, but it does suggest that vaccine makers might need to update their shots if more mutations like E484K accumulate over a period of years.

Scientists now wonder whether the variants in South Africa and Brazil are spreading precisely because they have this slight advantage in overcoming previous immunity.


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PostPosted: 01/24/21 4:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

How Coronavirus Affects the Brain

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Four-fifths of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 have neurological symptoms, and although estimates vary, studies have found that at least half of people who recover from COVID-19 continue to suffer from neurological symptoms for months after. Brain scans of patients, compared with scans of those who've never been infected, show structural and functional changes to the brain. We don't know yet what that means for these patients’ long-term prognosis, but the medical community is serious about figuring it out.


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PostPosted: 01/25/21 7:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

While Great Britain announced that it’s nowhere near lifting restrictions that are just now beginning to show some progress, we do not even hear that kind of language in California. It’s as if we’re talking about two different things entirely. The anchors on KTLA, the city’s most staid and reliable news resource, we’re saying things like ‘thank god’ at the following news from Sacramento.

I think this piece, as you get deeper into it, does do a great but subtle and unemotional job of listing some of the maddening inconsistencies in much of what the state of California has been doing. But, IMO, nothing tops this latest change in plans which is sheer lunacy.

There is something shifting, quite dramatically, but very hit and miss in terms of what and where, that suggests the political winds themselves are changing in how some state and local governments and even the Biden administration want to position themselves on the virus vs the economic impact of shutdowns.

This is madness. It’s not science. It’s politics. LA Times tonight:

Gov. Gavin Newsom is expected on Monday to lift regional coronavirus stay-at-home orders across California, a change that could allow restaurants and gyms in many counties to reopen outdoor dining and services.

All counties will return to the colored tier system that assigns local risk levels based on case numbers and rates of positive test results for COVID-19 infections, according to sources briefed on the plan by the governor’s office.

Most counties will go into the “widespread” risk tier, which permits hair salons to offer limited services indoors but restricts many other nonessential indoor business operations. The change is expected to take effect immediately after Newsom’s announcement on Monday.

It’s far from clear whether the decision will lead to easing of stay-at-home rules in Los Angeles County, which has become a national epicenter of the coronavirus with hospitals overwhelmed by patients. In less than one month, more than 5,000 people have died of COVID-19 in the county alone.

Still, the outdoor dining ban has been highly controversial, with some elected officials and the restaurant industry fighting in court and out to overturn it. Officials in some other Southern California counties have been even more critical of the state-imposed rules and had urged Newsom to give them more local control.

The governor announced the regional stay-at-home orders on Dec. 3 in an effort to reduce the strain on hospitals as case numbers surged. While state data show hospital systems in Southern California and the San Joaquin Valley remain strained, the Newsom administration told officials Sunday that models project ICU capacity in those areas will exceed 15% — a threshold for lifting the regional shutdowns — over the next four weeks.

State officials never released the full details of how the four-week ICU calculations were being made. And while services were allowed to reopen in the Sacramento region on Dec. 13, daily reports of available intensive care beds never approached the 15% threshold deemed necessary to cancel the restrictions. ICU capacity in the Northern California region, which is not under the stay-at-home order, has continued to remain above the state’s shutdown benchmarks.

The Bay Area, which reported 23.4% capacity, had remained under the stay-at-home order due to a four-week projection of a decrease in hospital bed availability. Southern California showed no ICU capacity and the San Joaquin Valley region reported 1.3%, according to state data as of Saturday.



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Not good news from the WAPO: Coronavirus variant sweeps South Africa, exhibiting ‘terrifying’ dominance

CAPE TOWN — South Africa was already one of the countries worst hit by the coronavirus, but in the six weeks since a new, more transmissible variant was first publicly announced here, an enormous spike of new cases and deaths has far surpassed previous waves of the pandemic.


The variant is thought to have emerged in South Africa’s Eastern Cape province but has now been found in at least 32 countries, sparking fears its unmitigated spread to new parts of the world could usher in new waves of contagion just as the long slog of global vaccine rollout gets underway.


The variant identified in South Africa is not yet proved to be more lethal than others, including similarly highly transmissible variants recently detected in Britain and Brazil, but mutations that make it around 50 percent easier to catch have allowed it to stage a takeover of what was already out-of-control community transmission in South Africa.


“Of the cases we’ve [DNA-]sequenced in South Africa, more than 90 percent are the new variant,” said Richard Lessells, a lead researcher at the KwaZulu-Natal Research and Innovation Sequencing Platform, or KRISP, which has played a pathbreaking role in identifying coronavirus variants in South Africa and elsewhere.

“It’s amazing and terrifying how quickly it came to dominate, and it does feel like we’re in the beginning stages of watching this variant, and the other new ones, become more dominant around the world.”

South African studies have also documented dozens of instances of people who contracted earlier strains of the coronavirus being infected with the new variant, suggesting that those who had contracted mild cases or otherwise had low antibody counts might be prone to reinfection.

In South Africa, despite a return to a stricter lockdown and curfew, many hospitals are overwhelmed, especially in Eastern Cape, which has become the epicenter of the new variant’s spread. Harrowing statistics released this week by the South African Medical Research Council show excess mortality numbers shooting nearly straight up in all of the country’s nine provinces.





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Some things happening I don’t understand. Why is New York not experiencing, maybe not an identical cataclysm like they did last spring, but something commensurate with it? I mean, what has changed that would slow severe illnesses and deaths down to this extent at a time when there are so many new more transmissible variants on the rise? This is a mystery to me.



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Some things happening I don’t understand. Why is New York not experiencing, maybe not an identical cataclysm like they did last spring, but something commensurate with it? I mean, what has changed that would slow severe illnesses and deaths down to this extent at a time when there are so many new more transmissible variants on the rise? This is a mystery to me.


It's likely they're underreporting other deaths the same way they are those in nursing homes



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Some things happening I don’t understand. Why is New York not experiencing, maybe not an identical cataclysm like they did last spring, but something commensurate with it? I mean, what has changed that would slow severe illnesses and deaths down to this extent at a time when there are so many new more transmissible variants on the rise? This is a mystery to me.


It's likely they're underreporting other deaths the same way they are those in nursing homes


Meaning....NY is underreporting Covid deaths? How might that benefit anyone?



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It would make Cuomo look good, which he's very concerned about.

Anecdotally, New Yorkers seem to be good at wearing masks, and at staying the hell away from people who aren't. But, I mean. We're not exactly known for being warm and cuddly. And the wail of ambulances isn't as constant as it was last year (last spring, they were going by so much that I heard the sirens all the time but was no longer sure whether they were real or just in my head).

I mean, there's also the possibility that the more contagious variants haven't gotten here. It's a small possibility, I admit. Or you can insert your own jokes about why even a virus can't survive New York City. Razz

Or the other shoe's gonna drop. I don't know. I don't have data. I only have what I see and hear.



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Virus variant from South Africa detected in US for 1st time

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The mutated version of the virus, first identified in South Africa, was found in two cases in South Carolina. Public health officials said it’s almost certain that there are more infections that have not been identified yet. They are also concerned that this version spreads more easily and that vaccines could be less effective against it.


I am surprised it made it to the United States since we have become so careful about stopping any travel without 14-day mandatory quarantines. Oh wait, that's only in my dreams.

I wonder if New Yorkers built up some amount of "herd immunity" back in the spring. Especially in NYC where subways, buses and high-rise apartments must make social-distancing much more difficult. And they got hit before masks were being advocated.


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