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PostPosted: 12/01/19 11:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hoopsmom wrote:
#12 Florida State is kicking a$$ on #6 Texas A&M... with 3:30 left, they are up 75-56.


You (and others) should make these kind of comments over in the live game forum, before the unappreciated efforts being made there go away.



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PostPosted: 12/01/19 11:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

For what it's worth...the USD Coyotes beat the Ohio State Buckeyes worse than UConn did!!


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PostPosted: 12/02/19 12:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Hoopsmom wrote:
#12 Florida State is kicking a$$ on #6 Texas A&M... with 3:30 left, they are up 75-56.


You (and others) should make these kind of comments over in the live game forum, before the unappreciated efforts being made there go away.


I made the comment here because of their ranks. Also, I totally forgot about the other site. 😂. Now I’m excited because I have a lot more posts I can follow!


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PostPosted: 12/02/19 7:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Oregon’s loss paves way for new No. 1

https://apnews.com/9c1f4facd92c4d008c3da5ea36c9249c


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Saturday marked only the third time since the AP women’s basketball Top 25 became a writer’s poll before the 1994-95 season that the top two teams were beaten on the same day, and the first time in the regular season. The previous occasions were in the 2011 Final Four and on March 7, 2007, when No. 1 Duke lost to N.C. State in the ACC Tournament semifinals and second-ranked Tennessee fell to LSU in the SEC Tournament semis.


The 2011 losers were #1 UConn and #2 Stanford



The 1st legit sign of parity in WCB?



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PostPosted: 12/02/19 12:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Hoopsmom wrote:
#12 Florida State is kicking a$$ on #6 Texas A&M... with 3:30 left, they are up 75-56.


You (and others) should make these kind of comments over in the live game forum, before the unappreciated efforts being made there go away.


I appreciate your efforts on that, Shades, but as before, I'd love to see a few selected game threads on this forum rather than a whole bunch on the other one.

And then if someone wanted to bring up a particular game, they could start a thread here.

Again, you work hard on this site, and it's appreciated.



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PostPosted: 12/02/19 1:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1. Stanford (23)
2. Louisville (5)
3. Oregon
4. UConn (2)
5. Oregon St.
6. South Carolina
7. Baylor
8. Florida St.
9. Maryland
10. Mississippi St.
11. UCLA
12. Texas A&M
13. NC State
14. Indiana
15. Kentucky
16. DePaul
17. Tennessee
18. Gonzaga
19. Michigan St.
20. Arizona
21. Miami
22. Missouri St.
23. Arkansas
24. Michigan
25. LSU
Others receiving votes: Syracuse 29, Florida Gulf Coast 28, South Dakota 27, West Virginia 24, Minnesota 10, Notre Dame 5, North Carolina 5, Rutgers 3, Northwestern 3, Purdue 2, Colorado 1, Creighton 1, TCU 1, Drake 1.
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PostPosted: 12/02/19 4:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Oregon’s loss paves way for new No. 1

https://apnews.com/9c1f4facd92c4d008c3da5ea36c9249c


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Saturday marked only the third time since the AP women’s basketball Top 25 became a writer’s poll before the 1994-95 season that the top two teams were beaten on the same day, and the first time in the regular season. The previous occasions were in the 2011 Final Four and on March 7, 2007, when No. 1 Duke lost to N.C. State in the ACC Tournament semifinals and second-ranked Tennessee fell to LSU in the SEC Tournament semis.


The 2011 losers were #1 UConn and #2 Stanford


And this is the first time ever that the two losses were by double digits.


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PostPosted: 12/02/19 4:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Brutal week. We totally don't deserve to be #1, but I guess we can enjoy it for a week. Not sure how a team that struggled to beat Cal Baptist can be #1. I think any of these top teams can beat each other on any given night. But I'm still betting on Oregon come March. And glad to see Texas A&M drop - a team that is totally reliant on one player shouldn't be top 10.



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PostPosted: 12/02/19 5:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
Brutal week. We totally don't deserve to be #1, but I guess we can enjoy it for a week. Not sure how a team that struggled to beat Cal Baptist can be #1.


Stanford also struggled against Gonzaga in OT, but that's basketball.

With 23 first place votes out of 30, Stanford will stay firmly at #1 until they lose. Though upsets are always possible, losing shouldn't be a big risk with the Cardinal's schedule until the mid-January road trip into Eugene and Corvallis.
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PostPosted: 12/02/19 5:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If Stanford struggled with Cal Baptist and Gonzaga, how is it inconceivable that they could lose to Ohio St, Tennessee, or even Texas?



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PostPosted: 12/02/19 6:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
inconceivable


Who said that?
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PostPosted: 12/02/19 8:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
1. Stanford (23)
2. Louisville (5)
3. Oregon
4. UConn (2)
5. Oregon St.
6. South Carolina
7. Baylor Shocked
8. Florida St.
9. Maryland
10. Mississippi St.


Well, DANG. Baylor was a bit 'brutalized' here, no? I mean, they lost to a #5 (3 slots below them) and drop 5 places; Oregon loses to a #8 (7 slots below them) only drops 2 places. And Baylor was playing without Cox--no breaks for that apparently. Shocked I guess it all speaks to the rather INexact art of rankings. Laughing

Being a *former* Stanford fan (yes, Myrtle drove me off), I say let 'em enjoy their moment in the sun.

Inévitablement, les canards voleront Cool



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PostPosted: 12/02/19 10:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
1. Stanford (23)
2. Louisville (5)
3. Oregon
4. UConn (2)
5. Oregon St.
6. South Carolina
7. Baylor Shocked
8. Florida St.
9. Maryland
10. Mississippi St.


Well, DANG. Baylor was a bit 'brutalized' here, no? I mean, they lost to a #5 (3 slots below them) and drop 5 places; Oregon loses to a #8 (7 slots below them) only drops 2 places. And Baylor was playing without Cox--no breaks for that apparently. Shocked I guess it all speaks to the rather INexact art of rankings. Laughing

Being a *former* Stanford fan (yes, Myrtle drove me off), I say let 'em enjoy their moment in the sun.

Inévitablement, les canards voleront Cool


If I had to hazard a guess here, I could say their argument might be that Louisville is undefeated still, while South Carolina lost to Indiana - albeit a very good team, and perhaps underrated, but it's still a loss. So they could argue that perhaps Louisville was also underrated, while Baylor was a bit overrated.

Further, Louisville has played a solid schedule to this point - around top 25 in SOS - and are still unbeaten. Baylor hadn't played anyone of note until they entered this tournament: their first 6 opponents have a combined record of 11-27 at this point. So again they may feel at this point that they had Baylor a bit higher than they should be - especially as long as Cox is out of the lineup....

So obviously as the rankings now indicate, the voters think Oregon lost to a better opponent at this time in Louisville, than Baylor lost to, in South Carolina. That's why Baylor dropped down further.

But I also agree with you about the "art" of the rankings. Here's an example: a Missouri graduate who works for the The Daily Times out of Maryville, TN. A reporter by the name of Taylor Vortherms voted South Carolina 15th after they defeated Baylor in this week's poll, by far the worst ranking of the Gamecocks from all the voters.

Is Vortherms simply a Gamecock Hater? Nope, she had them ranked 5th in last week's poll. Vortherm had Louisville 8th in last week's poll, and ranked them #2 in this one, so she is in line with the other voters there.

So what happened with the Gamecocks' ranking? Most likely she just didn't pay attention to what she was doing. She also had Baylor #2 in last weeks' poll, and has them still 4th in this weeks'. But the team who she had 5th last week, beats Baylor, and drops to 15th??

And this is the "science" of the weekly top 25 polls we get from the "press" in all sports......


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PostPosted: 12/02/19 11:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Thank you....that's adds a few more layers to the thinking one might consider happens in this process. Razz



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PostPosted: 12/03/19 7:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Oregon’s loss paves way for new No. 1

https://apnews.com/9c1f4facd92c4d008c3da5ea36c9249c


Quote:
Saturday marked only the third time since the AP women’s basketball Top 25 became a writer’s poll before the 1994-95 season that the top two teams were beaten on the same day, and the first time in the regular season. The previous occasions were in the 2011 Final Four and on March 7, 2007, when No. 1 Duke lost to N.C. State in the ACC Tournament semifinals and second-ranked Tennessee fell to LSU in the SEC Tournament semis.




OMG! It turns out that despite what the Tennessee fans joked about 20 years ago, the UConn fans were right! There wasn't any Women's Basketball before 1995! Wink


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PostPosted: 12/03/19 8:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think when 3 of the top ten teams get beaten by 3 of the top twelve teams in one weekend, there's inevitably going to be at least one comparative shakeup in position that seems dubious. Texas A&M appropriately took the biggest hit for their loss.


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PostPosted: 12/03/19 6:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CBiebel wrote:
pilight wrote:
Oregon’s loss paves way for new No. 1

https://apnews.com/9c1f4facd92c4d008c3da5ea36c9249c


Quote:
Saturday marked only the third time since the AP women’s basketball Top 25 became a writer’s poll before the 1994-95 season that the top two teams were beaten on the same day, and the first time in the regular season. The previous occasions were in the 2011 Final Four and on March 7, 2007, when No. 1 Duke lost to N.C. State in the ACC Tournament semifinals and second-ranked Tennessee fell to LSU in the SEC Tournament semis.




OMG! It turns out that despite what the Tennessee fans joked about 20 years ago, the UConn fans were right! There wasn't any Women's Basketball before 1995! Wink



Laughing

I kinda miss those (espn board) days.



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PostPosted: 12/04/19 9:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
CBiebel wrote:
pilight wrote:
Oregon’s loss paves way for new No. 1

https://apnews.com/9c1f4facd92c4d008c3da5ea36c9249c


Quote:
Saturday marked only the third time since the AP women’s basketball Top 25 became a writer’s poll before the 1994-95 season that the top two teams were beaten on the same day, and the first time in the regular season. The previous occasions were in the 2011 Final Four and on March 7, 2007, when No. 1 Duke lost to N.C. State in the ACC Tournament semifinals and second-ranked Tennessee fell to LSU in the SEC Tournament semis.






OMG! It turns out that despite what the Tennessee fans joked about 20 years ago, the UConn fans were right! There wasn't any Women's Basketball before 1995! Wink



Laughing

I kinda miss those (espn board) days.



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