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PostPosted: 09/19/19 10:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It all comes back to the same old problem with the award itself. They really need to change it to "most outstanding player" rather than "most valuable". Voters seem to think that "valuable" means "use whatever criteria I want to justify my ridiculous hot take".



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 10:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
It all comes back to the same old problem with the award itself. They really need to change it to "most outstanding player" rather than "most valuable". Voters seem to think that "valuable" means "use whatever criteria I want to justify my ridiculous hot take".


I don't think they would think any differently if it was "outstanding."


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PostPosted: 09/19/19 10:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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justintyme wrote:
It all comes back to the same old problem with the award itself. They really need to change it to "most outstanding player" rather than "most valuable". Voters seem to think that "valuable" means "use whatever criteria I want to justify my ridiculous hot take".


I don't think they would think any differently if it was "outstanding."

I disagree. The mental gymnastics I always hear comes from "yes player X was better this season than player Y, but player Y was more 'valuable' to their team than player X".

This line of reasoning doesn't work with outstanding. You take that "value" quotient out, and now the debate is about who was the best. Yes, we can still have people arguing about what stats or play constitutes "the best", but it becomes much harder to rationalize some of these other takes.



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 11:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There's also nothing to stop them having both. Why not let people vote that Delle Donne was the best player in the league this season, but that Chicago without Vandersloot or Seattle without Howard would've fallen to bits to a greater extent than Washington without EDD?



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 11:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Are we forgetting that Washington didn't win a single game without Delle Donne? Wink


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PostPosted: 09/19/19 11:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Aladyyn wrote:
Are we forgetting that Washington didn't win a single game without Delle Donne? Wink

There would also, of course, be nothing to stop people voting the same player as both. Wink



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 11:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I told y'all Sloot was the Wild Card towards unanimity. There was no making a case to put anyone ahead of EDD based on the traditional MVP signifiers. You can make a case that Sloot, in her own way, is as valuable to her team as anybody.

Or it's just 2 petty Sky fans? Laughing


Probably those two voters were dead. It is Chicago, you know.



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 12:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
There's also nothing to stop them having both. Why not let people vote that Delle Donne was the best player in the league this season, but that Chicago without Vandersloot or Seattle without Howard would've fallen to bits to a greater extent than Washington without EDD?

Yeah, I would have not have an issue with this.

Part of why I bristle with the "player x was more valuable than y to their team" reasoning is that beyond the voting process, MVP ceases to be used in this way ever again. In future conversations, including Hall of Fame discussions, it is exclusively used to mean "this player was the best player in the league that season".



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 12:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
There's also nothing to stop them having both. Why not let people vote that Delle Donne was the best player in the league this season, but that Chicago without Vandersloot or Seattle without Howard would've fallen to bits to a greater extent than Washington without EDD?

Yeah, I would have not have an issue with this.

Part of why I bristle with the "player x was more valuable than y to their team" reasoning is that beyond the voting process, MVP ceases to be used in this way ever again. In future conversations, including Hall of Fame discussions, it is exclusively used to mean "this player was the best player in the league that season".


Clearly Angel would win it every year she plays then. Laughing



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 12:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

All that's left is the All WNBA teams and the Finals MVP



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 1:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
All that's left is the All WNBA teams and the Finals MVP

Given that Vandersloot is the only actual guard who got more than 7 points in the MVP voting, there could be some epic fudging on the All-WNBA teams. At the very least, someone like McBride or DeShields could make it at 'guard', and I wouldn't be hugely surprised if they put Delle Donne or Bonner there.



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PostPosted: 09/19/19 3:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Washington lost every game EDD didn't play. She was the best and most valuable player this year.


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PostPosted: 09/19/19 3:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Respect to EDD, but those three games the Mystics lost while she was out were against the Sun, Mercury, & Aces.

Those are three playoff teams with two title contenders. Laughing



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PostPosted: 09/20/19 6:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
All that's left is the All WNBA teams and the Finals MVP


So far it's Emma. Smile MVP Finals

PEACE & LOVE GO MYSTICS!!!!!

ps who'd thunk it? Shocked



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PostPosted: 09/29/19 7:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I assume the All WNBA Team will be announced during the ABC game



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PostPosted: 10/06/19 3:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FIRST TEAM
G: Vandersloot
G: Gray
F: Delle Donne
F: Howard
C: Griner

SECOND TEAM
G: Sims
G: DeShields
F: N. Ogwumike
F: J Jones Laughing
C: Cambage

Toliver, C. Williams & Bonner left off. Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 10/06/19 3:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Toliver only played 23 games, relatively easy omission.

Jones was the Sun’s All Star, so it’s makes sense that she makes the All WNBA team over C. Williams.

Mercury were an 8th seed, hard to see two players making All WNBA unless they both have historic seasons.



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PostPosted: 10/06/19 4:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mavcarter wrote:
Toliver only played 23 games, relatively easy omission.

Jones was the Sun’s All Star, so it’s makes sense that she makes the All WNBA team over C. Williams.

Mercury were an 8th seed, hard to see two players making All WNBA unless they both have historic seasons.


it's laughable that they slid J Jones over to a forward spot so Cambage could make the team. DeShields gets a guard spot despite mostly playing SF.



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PostPosted: 10/06/19 4:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bria Holmes was a great pickup for the Sun. They really needed some athleticism off the bench.


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PostPosted: 10/06/19 4:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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it's laughable that they slid J Jones over to a forward spot so Cambage could make the team. DeShields gets a guard spot despite mostly playing SF.


Could have simply voted for Cambage as a Point Guard, cause she's one now. Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: 10/06/19 7:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Two players under WNBA investigation. Is that a first?



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PostPosted: 10/06/19 10:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'd like to know the three people who didn't vote for Howard, Nneka, and JJ on either their first or second team. Shocked



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PostPosted: 10/07/19 10:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

These guard selections are just horrendous...


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PostPosted: 10/07/19 11:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I wish it was just the top five players, no positions ...



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