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J-Spoon
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how about
trade SDS and #9 to Atl for a cored McCoughtry (who also wants out) and #4 (Personally I think McCoughtry is better than Diggins=Smith but is also older which justifies the pick swap IMO)
then Draft Carter at 2 and Cox at 4
Carter/Jefferson
Ogunbowale/Gray
McCoughtry/Thorton
GloJo/Stevens/Anigwe
Cox/Harrison
Roster spot 12 Hill, Davis, IMS, pick #15 whatever
I know some will say not enough balls to go around for Carter, Ogunbowlae and McCoughtry, but if Agler could work it out this team could mess with the league now and in the future
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| Posted: 01/27/20 8:12 pm ::: |
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how about
trade SDS and #9 to Atl for a cored McCoughtry (who also wants out) and #4 (Personally I think McCoughtry is better than Diggins=Smith but is also older which justifies the pick swap IMO)
then Draft Carter at 2 and Cox at 4
Carter/Jefferson
Ogunbowale/Gray
McCoughtry/Thorton
GloJo/Stevens/Anigwe
Cox/Harrison
Roster spot 12 Hill, Davis, IMS, pick #15 whatever
I know some will say not enough balls to go around for Carter, Ogunbowlae and McCoughtry, but if Agler could work it out this team could mess with the league now and in the future |
I don't think I would count on Cox being available at 4.
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| Posted: 01/27/20 8:14 pm ::: |
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how about
trade SDS and #9 to Atl for a cored McCoughtry (who also wants out) and #4 (Personally I think McCoughtry is better than Diggins=Smith but is also older which justifies the pick swap IMO)
then Draft Carter at 2 and Cox at 4
Carter/Jefferson
Ogunbowale/Gray
McCoughtry/Thorton
GloJo/Stevens/Anigwe
Cox/Harrison
Roster spot 12 Hill, Davis, IMS, pick #15 whatever
I know some will say not enough balls to go around for Carter, Ogunbowlae and McCoughtry, but if Agler could work it out this team could mess with the league now and in the future |
If it were up to me we would have a deal yesterday.
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J-Spoon
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| Posted: 01/27/20 8:24 pm ::: |
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how about
trade SDS and #9 to Atl for a cored McCoughtry (who also wants out) and #4 (Personally I think McCoughtry is better than Diggins=Smith but is also older which justifies the pick swap IMO)
then Draft Carter at 2 and Cox at 4
Carter/Jefferson
Ogunbowale/Gray
McCoughtry/Thorton
GloJo/Stevens/Anigwe
Cox/Harrison
Roster spot 12 Hill, Davis, IMS, pick #15 whatever
I know some will say not enough balls to go around for Carter, Ogunbowlae and McCoughtry, but if Agler could work it out this team could mess with the league now and in the future |
I don't think I would count on Cox being available at 4. |
if Salaby comes out Cox could fall to 4 assuming Carter also comes out and goes top 3, or you could flip flop Cox at 2 Carter at 4 as Salaby seems like a much better fit in Indy than Carter does.
OK leave picks out SDS for McCoughtry (or Hayes if Angel stays in Atl) doesn't seem too far off to me and Dallas would still have #2 and #9 to add to a core of
Ogunbowale/Jefferson
Gray/Davis
McCoughtry/Thorton
GloJo/Stevens
Harrison/Anigwe
#2 and #9 Dallas still looks OK IMO
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| Posted: 01/27/20 8:28 pm ::: |
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| trade SDS and #9 to Atl for a cored McCoughtry (who also wants out) and #4 (Personally I think McCoughtry is better than Diggins=Smith but is also older which justifies the pick swap IMO) |
I suspect you'd get more takers than not among Dream fans
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| Posted: 01/27/20 8:44 pm ::: |
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trade SDS and #9 to Atl for a cored McCoughtry |
Diggins wants to go where it works best for her family, not for where it works best for Dallas. Is ATL going to be that place? I doubt it. What’s the connection?
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then Draft Carter at 2 and Cox at 4
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Cox and Dallas are a match made in heaven. They have to stop screwing up. Draft Cox at #2.
Sabally not likely to enter early.
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| Posted: 01/27/20 8:52 pm ::: |
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| trade SDS and #9 to Atl for a cored McCoughtry (who also wants out) and #4 (Personally I think McCoughtry is better than Diggins=Smith but is also older which justifies the pick swap IMO) |
I suspect you'd get more takers than not among Dream fans |
Might as well wait until tomorrow and see if they actually cored her before worrying about it. All becomes a bit moot if they didn't. |
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| Posted: 01/27/20 8:54 pm ::: |
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I understand the thinking that SDS wants a big market for her other off the court interests like LA or NY but ATL is kind of blowing up as a fashion, music, media town. I could definitely see Diggins-Smith making her out of basketball mark in the ATL.
And if Atl decides to not core Angel, Hayes and/or the #4 pick would also offer some decent return to Dallas.
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| Posted: 01/27/20 9:14 pm ::: |
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Doesn't mean she won't be back or can't be traded. Dream can (if they wish) top any offer she gets by 30k. If Angel wants to leave badly enough to give that up then she must really want to go. In the past coring was worth more because teams had no other leverage. Now they have some.
Dream maybe figured they didn't want to commit to her until they see how she is playing overseas, what other offers she gets, and what other players they might be able to sign.
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| Posted: 01/27/20 9:15 pm ::: |
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| Hayes and/or the #4 pick would also offer some decent return to Dallas. |
Hayes is signed under the old max through 2021. Why give that up?
With ATL letting McCoughtry go for free, they’re looking as bad as Dallas in decision making. It’s a good team to avoid unless you’re desperate for a spot.
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| Posted: 01/27/20 10:23 pm ::: |
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| Hayes and/or the #4 pick would also offer some decent return to Dallas. |
Hayes is signed under the old max through 2021. Why give that up?
With ATL letting McCoughtry go for free, they’re looking as bad as Dallas in decision making. It’s a good team to avoid unless you’re desperate for a spot. |
I have to agree
While I still think Atlanta would have some off court appeal to Skylar
Joining the Dream without Angel makes very little sense for SDS basketball-wise
maybe if the trade is something like E. Will and #4 for SDS and #9
but yeah Atlanta just became less appealing on the court by letting Angel go for nothing especially if they have to give up hayes or the draft pick to get Sky via trade.
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| Posted: 01/27/20 10:24 pm ::: |
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| With Angel gone, I doubt Atlanta will be in the market for Diggins
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| Posted: 01/27/20 10:30 pm ::: |
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My new favorite trade idea is
SDS for K. Brown and 2021 1st round pick
SDS can joining C. Gray in LA's backcourt a very lets contend kind of move
And Dallas gets a true big who fits the new timeline better
and a future 1st round pick considering they all ready have a lot of depth and two 1st rounders coming in
LA still has plenty of bigd if both Vadeeva and Chiney are on board
and Dallas can enjoy the reuniting of Cox and Brown story line
Ogunbowale/Jefferson
Gray/Davis/#9 Cooper or Martin
Stevens/Thorton
Cox/Johnson/Anigwe
Brown/Harrison
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| Posted: 01/27/20 10:33 pm ::: |
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how about
trade SDS and #9 to Atl for a cored McCoughtry (who also wants out) and #4 (Personally I think McCoughtry is better than Diggins=Smith but is also older which justifies the pick swap IMO)
then Draft Carter at 2 and Cox at 4
Carter/Jefferson
Ogunbowale/Gray
McCoughtry/Thorton
GloJo/Stevens/Anigwe
Cox/Harrison
Roster spot 12 Hill, Davis, IMS, pick #15 whatever
I know some will say not enough balls to go around for Carter, Ogunbowlae and McCoughtry, but if Agler could work it out this team could mess with the league now and in the future |
I'll buy that!!!
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| Posted: 01/27/20 10:36 pm ::: |
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My new favorite trade idea is
SDS for K. Brown and 2021 1st round pick |
I don't think that's enough for Dallas to be interested. Brown showed next to nothing last season, and that pick - given LA's current talent level and general history - is likely to be crap. You'd have to be super-high on Brown to be interested in an offer like that. |
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| Posted: 01/27/20 10:41 pm ::: |
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My new favorite trade idea is
SDS for K. Brown and 2021 1st round pick |
I don't think that's enough for Dallas to be interested. Brown showed next to nothing last season, and that pick - given LA's current talent level and general history - is likely to be crap. You'd have to be super-high on Brown to be interested in an offer like that. |
yeah that is kind of the flaw with that trade
it is betting more on potential than actuality
Ogunbowlae, Stevens, Cox and Brown with probably another lottery pick and late first rounder in 2021 could be awesome though in 2023 when the current stars of the 3 to see and older are on the decline or out of the league.
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PUmatty
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| Posted: 01/27/20 11:16 pm ::: |
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My new favorite trade idea is
SDS for K. Brown and 2021 1st round pick |
I don't think that's enough for Dallas to be interested. Brown showed next to nothing last season, and that pick - given LA's current talent level and general history - is likely to be crap. You'd have to be super-high on Brown to be interested in an offer like that. |
The problem is, if Diggins-Smith says she will only play for LA (or whoever), then Dallas won't really have an option to get more than that. History in this league shows that when a player demands a specific destination, they get traded for side pieces.
And history shows that Dallas won't have the fortitude to make her just sit out. No team has. Chicago tried that, and giving in when they did made their position even weaker.
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| Posted: 01/28/20 12:21 am ::: |
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| About the SDS for Angel trade, is that based on trying to win now or do you think 33 year old Angel has many good years ahead of her? |
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| Posted: 01/28/20 8:51 am ::: |
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SDS for K. Brown and 2021 1st round pick
SDS can joining C. Gray in LA's backcourt a very lets contend kind of move |
Adding a third player who needs the ball in her hands to Chelsea Gray and Candace Parker is not the best basketball decision.
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| Posted: 01/28/20 9:31 am ::: |
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If I am Phoenix, I am looking at Skylar Diggins-Smith. Taurasi is likely done after 2020. Bonner is 32 years old. Phoenix has younger players who can develop -- Sophie Cunningham, Alanna Smith, and Brianna Turner -- but that will take time and a point guard to get them the ball.
At PG is Briann January, who just turned 33. Leilani Mitchell (free agent) turns 35 this year. January has been slowly winding down. Mitchell had a re-birth last year in winning MIP (again) - necessitated by Taurasi's absence and other injuries, which forced her into a starting role - but she is not on the uptick of her career.
Diggins can be an inconsistent shooter, but she is also someone who can create shots, for herself and others. And while she turns 30 this year, she is younger in basketball years, having missed most of 2015 (injury) and all of 2019 (childbirth).
The 2020 salary cap will be $1.3 million, up from $996,100 in 2019. To date, Phoenix has $378,044 in salary committed to five players - January, Taurasi, Cunningham, Smith, and Turner (per High Post Hoops, as of its November 2019 update). Griner has been cored, and Bonner is a free agent; if both players are at the maximum ($215,000), that puts Phoenix at $808,044, with seven players signed.
That leaves $491,956, for five players (for a roster of 12).
If, as Richyy says, sign-and-trade deals involving UFAs are permitted, then I wonder if Phoenix and Dallas would consider:
--- Phoenix gets Skylar Diggins-Smith
--- Dallas gets #5 pick in the 2020 WNBA Draft and Leilani Mitchell.
The draft pick is worth a lot more if players like Satou Sabally, Chennedy Carter, Megan Walker, Aari McDonald, and/or Destiny Slocum decide to leave early; realistically, however, I can only see a maximum of two of those five leaving early).
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| Posted: 01/28/20 9:46 am ::: |
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If, as Richyy says, sign-and-trade deals involving UFAs are permitted, then I wonder if Phoenix and Dallas would consider:
--- Phoenix gets Skylar Diggins-Smith
--- Dallas gets #5 pick in the 2020 WNBA Draft and Leilani Mitchell. |
Permitted, but there's no actual point to them unless the player's demanding 4 years and/or the 215k max. You're not giving either of those to Mitchell, so there's no reason to acquire her via sign-and-trade. If Dallas wanted her, and she wanted to go there, they could just sign her as a UFA.
If Phoenix is one of Diggins-Smith's preferred destinations then I guess #5 and one of the youngsters might get you in the conversation but there's no reason for Mitchell to be involved. |
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