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Shades
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| If there really is a trade for C Williams and/or Charles in the works, it would seem they really need to wait until draft declarations are known. |
The problem with waiting till April is that other teams aren’t waiting around putting together their teams. So NYL and CON might end up making fire sale moves in order to make things work. It’d be more of a fire sale thing for CON since they’re battling against the cap.
The notion that Charles even wants to leave the Liberty isn’t even up to the rumor level. Pure speculation.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 9:13 am ::: |
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| What is the evidence Chennedy Carter can step right in and start in the WNBA? 1.1 A/TO, 27% from three.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 11:47 am ::: |
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New York gets: E Williams, #4, Cazorla, Plaisance
gives up: Charles, Stokes, Boyd |
if I'm NY, I would never ever, ever, go for this. |
What value do you see Tina getting in a trade this offseason?
We don’t have all the details, but it seems one or both sides want a change.
Again I’m happy to keep Tina and like to come up with trade ideas because it’s fun. I would rather Kolb wait for the best deal possible.
E Williams and 4 is better than what the Mercury or Lynx can/would likely offer.
Phoenix, Minnesota and Atlanta seem like places imo she would agree to play.
Mercury and their ‘big 3’, Lynx and coach Reeve/Maya possible return next year, Dream and her friendship with Hayes.
Other teams with more assets such as Dallas, I don’t see her wanting to play for.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 1:21 pm ::: |
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| Shades wrote: |
The notion that Charles even wants to leave the Liberty isn’t even up to the rumor level. Pure speculation. |
yeah, I've wondered about where this came from. I don't know anything one way or the other. I assumed she would be happy to get the hell out of Westchester. OTOH I can imagine she's also not too happy being on a losing team. So what tips the balance one way or the other? I just think where she would agree to go is fairly limited. Minnesota maybe but don't see what they would have to give for her. Indy would be a good spot for her, but I don't think she would go there. Seattle? I dunno... but like most fans would like to know if the rumor (or speculation) is true or not.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 2:41 pm ::: |
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| yeah, I've wondered about where this came from. I don't know anything one way or the other. I assumed she would be happy to get the hell out of Westchester. OTOH I can imagine she's also not too happy being on a losing team. So what tips the balance one way or the other? I just think where she would agree to go is fairly limited. Minnesota maybe but don't see what they would have to give for her. Indy would be a good spot for her, but I don't think she would go there. Seattle? I dunno... but like most fans would like to know if the rumor (or speculation) is true or not. |
Phoenix and New York were definitely talking. Whether the drive for it all came from Charles or the Liberty I have no clue, but if she'd said "I only want to play in New York" that would've shut it down immediately. So she must at least have some interest in playing elsewhere. No idea if that was specific to Phoenix, or if there's a list, or what. |
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| Posted: 02/17/20 4:19 pm ::: |
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| yeah, I've wondered about where this came from. I don't know anything one way or the other. I assumed she would be happy to get the hell out of Westchester. OTOH I can imagine she's also not too happy being on a losing team. So what tips the balance one way or the other? I just think where she would agree to go is fairly limited. Minnesota maybe but don't see what they would have to give for her. Indy would be a good spot for her, but I don't think she would go there. Seattle? I dunno... but like most fans would like to know if the rumor (or speculation) is true or not. |
Phoenix and New York were definitely talking. Whether the drive for it all came from Charles or the Liberty I have no clue, but if she'd said "I only want to play in New York" that would've shut it down immediately. So she must at least have some interest in playing elsewhere. No idea if that was specific to Phoenix, or if there's a list, or what. |
It just feels like after they re-signed Yvonne Turner that a Charles deal to Phoenix seems out now, even if they trade January.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 7:52 pm ::: |
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| Dream seem big on getting Tennessee and Baylor players.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 9:46 pm ::: |
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| Dream seem big on getting Tennessee and Baylor players. |
A USF player should shake things up a bit._________________
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| Posted: 02/17/20 11:11 pm ::: |
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| Dream seem big on getting Tennessee and Baylor players. |
A USF player should shake things up a bit. |
Things or people?
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| Posted: 02/18/20 8:54 am ::: |
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| Dream seem big on getting Tennessee and Baylor players. |
A USF player should shake things up a bit. |
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Wasn't Bentley Shipped to Atlanta after an altercation with Williams?
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| Posted: 02/18/20 9:02 am ::: |
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| Randy wrote: |
| Dream seem big on getting Tennessee and Baylor players. |
A USF player should shake things up a bit. |
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Wasn't Bentley Shipped to Atlanta after an altercation with Williams? |
Yes. However, she is a UFA and the Dream would have been completely nuts to sign her whether C. Williams is coming or not.
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| Posted: 02/18/20 10:08 am ::: |
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I’ve never been a fan of Bentley, but I’m not sure she deserves the level of negativity she gets.
Looking at her career stats, she was at her best as a starter (2014-2016). She hasn’t done as well off the bench.
But she’s a career 645:314 ATO. You could do worse for a player that nobody seems to want. You can’t deny she takes care of the ball at a career 1.4 topg.
I know Reeve has in the past bemoaned the fact that the Lynx didn’t draft her with the #12 pick in the 2013 draft. I wonder if Reeve still has Bentley posters on the wall.
Definitely not a first choice for me, but a decent safety net should one be needed.
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| Posted: 02/18/20 10:16 am ::: |
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| I think Bentley signs somewhere for the vet minimum. Possibly Minnesota or Indiana.
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| Posted: 02/19/20 11:58 am ::: |
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| Its being reported on Twitter (WInsider) that Atlanta has acquired Courtney Williams. But not for who...
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| Posted: 02/19/20 12:03 pm ::: |
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| Its being reported on Twitter (WInsider) that Atlanta has acquired Courtney Williams. But not for who... |
Three team.
Dream gave up Breland and Coffey. Williams and a 2nd round pick from one of the teams.
Click through to Atlanta dream. Net on the announcement to get all the details.
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| Posted: 02/19/20 12:36 pm ::: |
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Atlanta's roster is now pretty intriguing. I'm thinking they still have the #4 pick and it's less critical -i.e. someone they can play in a reserve role. They don't have a glaring "need" but perhaps a young/tall/long guard to help defend the perimeter?
Maybe Coates doesn't make this roster?
1. Elizabeth Williams 6-3 F/C
2. Renee Montgomery 5-7 G
3. Tiffany Hayes 5-11 G
4. Courtney Williams 5-9 G
5. Shekinna Stricklen 6-2 G/F
6. Glory Johnson 6-3 F
7. Kalani Brown 6-7 C
8. Alexis Jones 5-9 G
9. Monique Billings 6-4 F
10. Alaina Coates 6-4 C
11. Maite Cazorla 5-10 PG
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| Posted: 02/19/20 1:10 pm ::: |
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| Now the Dream have made going to the airport a lot more interesting. I do wonder how Hayes and Williams fit unless they really think Hayes should play the 3. But then what about Stricklen?
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| Posted: 02/19/20 1:22 pm ::: |
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| Now the Dream have made going to the airport a lot more interesting. I do wonder how Hayes and Williams fit unless they really think Hayes should play the 3. But then what about Stricklen? |
It is still the airport and no quicker to get there. 😭
But Courtney Williams is a good get on multiple fronts. On top of her skill on the court...
Seems to become a fan favorite the dream can market as something of a local player.
Fan dad brings crazy energy to the stands. Would think he is an asset on the crowd front.
Should be a group that plays a fun and up tempo style and will at least be competitive.
Add in a little winning and the team should be in good position to pull in new fans who either have an easier commute or who are willing to make the longer commute.
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| Posted: 02/19/20 1:34 pm ::: |
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| I don't understand. Atlanta made a trade with Connecticut and didn't get hammered? Is that legal?
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| Posted: 02/19/20 2:55 pm ::: |
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I'm so excited. I love Courtney Williams style of play and loving what I've seen from her off the court. Plus, her and her dad, I mean come on, that's awesome.
I do wonder how that affects the backcourt. Would they go to a Detroit Shock style combo guard of Hayes/Williams? I just don't see them getting rid of Tip for some reason, but I could be wrong.
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| Posted: 02/19/20 3:37 pm ::: |
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https://www.ajc.com/sports/basketball/atlanta-dream-nicki-collen-discusses-team-wnba-free-agency-moves/a7CF9ooibASiFsudEIym0I/
Collen talks about all the individual moves the Dream has made thus far, particularly the anatomy of the C. Williams deal. She also eventually confirms this:
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This a great article. I wish all teams could have publications that supply that much info.
I guess it’s a good thing (for ATL) that their offer for Mitchell got matched, or else this Williams trade may not have happened.
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| Posted: 02/19/20 3:50 pm ::: |
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so maybe something like
Hayes/Montgomery/Cazorla
C. Williams/A. Jones
Stricklen/#4
GloJo/Billings
K. Brown/E. Will
free agent or waiver wire
with Johnson being able to play some SF or PF and Hayes also abl to play some SF the #4 pick could also be a post Cox, Sabally falling to4 or maybe Holmes or Allarie if no early entries?
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