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So Santorum believes that we should give "illegal immigrants" guns? That is the logical conclusion to what he is arguing here.
And yes, the "good guy with a gun". How well did that work out for the African American veteran in the Alabama Mall Shooting?
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| Posted: 08/05/19 11:50 am ::: |
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So Santorum believes that we should give "illegal immigrants" guns? That is the logical conclusion to what he is arguing here.
And yes, the "good guy with a gun". How well did that work out for the African American veteran in the Alabama Mall Shooting? |
It worked out in the way these people are perfectly fine with it working out.
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| Posted: 08/05/19 12:27 pm ::: |
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What a COWard. You put up a post and then delete it. Leave it up and stand behind it if it's what you truly believe.
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| Posted: 08/05/19 5:41 pm ::: |
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2 El Paso victims die at hospital, raising death toll to 22
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EL PASO, Texas (AP) — Two more victims of the mass shooting at a crowded Walmart in El Paso, Texas, over the weekend died at a hospital on Monday, raising the death toll for the attack to 22.
Dr. Stephen Flaherty said at a news conference that gunshot wounds of the patients treated at the Del Sol Medical Center have been "devastating and major."
He said one patient who died at the hospital had major internal abdominal injuries affecting the liver, kidneys and intestines. That patient also received a "massive blood transfusion," Flaherty said.
The hospital didn't release the names or ages of the two patients who died Monday, but hospital officials described one as an elderly woman. |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-el-paso-victims-die-at-hospital-raising-death-toll-to-22/ar-AAFmfO0
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| Posted: 08/06/19 11:13 am ::: |
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Pretty sure it wasn't Obama that blocked his own Universal Background Check legislation and numerous other gun control bills that he tried to get passed by the legislature.
His words also weren't being echoed by the perpetrators of mass shootings, his name being written in guns by them, nor listed as an inspiration by them.
Wonder why Obama wasn't criticized...
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| Posted: 08/06/19 11:53 am ::: |
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A Catholic bishop in Texas is publicly accusing President Trump of racism
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A number of progressive pastors and bishops in the United States have already denounced the President's actions and rhetoric, particularly on Twitter. And last week, leaders of the Washington National Cathedral slammed Trump's attacks on minority lawmakers and the city of Baltimore as a "dangerous" rallying cry to white supremacist violence.
But Garcia-Siller's tweets are different, for two reasons: First, he represents the country's largest religious group, Catholics, who have about 71 million members in the United States. And secondly, Garcia-Siller is not known as a liberal, so his accusation may be less easily dismissed than those by Trump critics on the left. |
Of course, if you speak out against their God-Emperor Trump according to many Republicans that means you are by definition an "American-hating Lib". I mean, if Justin Amash, one of the founders of the Freedom Caucus and a Tea Party Republican (before leaving the Republican party after denouncing Trump on the Fourth of July), and a holder of one of the most conservative voting records in the House, can be dismissed as a "liberal" or not a "true conservative" now...these words really have no true ideological meaning to them anymore, they are simply tribal identifiers.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html
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A Twitter account that appears to belong to Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters.
The most recent tweet on the @iamthespookster account was on August 3, the day of the shooting, when he retweeted a post saying, "Millenials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die."
The user's Twitter bio reads: "he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / I'm going to hell and I'm not coming back." One tweet used the hashtag #HailSatan. |
So in spite of all of the "outrage" from some of you (you know who you are) who are blaming President Trump and his supporters for the Dayton massacre, it turns out that his social media feed reads like a racist cthskzfn post on RebKell.
So how many of these mass shooters ever turn out to be Trump supporters? What's the number we're up to now? Zero? They always end up being Antifa supporters and leftists. Every single last one of them. No surprise this time wasn't any different!
Since we're screaming for legislative action for gun control, why don't we ban all registered Democrats from owning a firearm? It sounds like a win/win for everyone. You're not allowed to own what you hate, and mass shootings in this country will come to a screeching halt.
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| Posted: 08/06/19 1:07 pm ::: |
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Thread discussing a white nationalist El Paso shooter echoing Trump's white nationalist propaganda: check
Resident Troll deflects away from this to point out posts "liked" by a shooter no one actually said was influenced by Trump: check
From what has been reported, it appears Betts was most defined by a desire to hurt people and misogyny. He had the police called upon him in the past, had hit-lists, and was obsessed with sexual violence and imagery.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dayton-gunman-reportedly-had-hit-lists-fascination-shootings-everyone-knew-n1039391
It isn't that these people might check a box for the GOP ticket in the next election that's the issue. It's the ideology of hatred itself. It's the white nationalist ideology. The anti-immigrant ideology. The racist ideology. The xenophobia. The "white cultural genocide" ideology. And we blame the people that are stoking these fires, whether they be true believers or are doing it for political gain.
If the left were to adopt a platform that stoked hatred for women and sexual violence while allowing unchecked gun ownership, then yes, I would hold them responsible for the actions of someone like Conner Betts.
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| Posted: 08/06/19 1:55 pm ::: |
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El Paso Challenge: An 11-year-old started a campaign to help his community heal
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Here's how it works: The 11-year-old is challenging each person in El Paso to do 22 good deeds for others --- one for each of the victims shot and killed when a white supremacist began firing Saturday inside a Walmart.
You can mow someone's lawn, visit a nursing home, pay for someone's lunch or dinner, donate to families in need, write someone a letter and tell them how great they are, hold the door for everyone, take flowers to someone in the hospital or leave a dollar on the vending machine for the next person, the young boy suggests, among other ideas in a list of "kind acts" examples.
The point is for people to "be kind to each other all day, every day," his mom, Rose Gandarilla, said. Her son's idea, she said, came after Ruben told his mom he didn't want to go shopping at stores anymore, asking if they could find a delivery service instead.
"He was having some trouble dealing with what happened," Gandarilla told CNN. "I explained to him that we could not live in fear and that people in our community are caring and loving. I told him to try and think of something he could do to make El Paso a little better."
So, Ruben went to his room on Sunday, brainstormed and came up with the challenge --- and he's already leading the way. |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/el-paso-challenge-an-11-year-old-started-a-campaign-to-help-his-community-heal/ar-AAFq0iz?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout
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| Posted: 08/06/19 2:29 pm ::: |
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Thread discussing a white nationalist El Paso shooter echoing Trump's white nationalist propaganda: check
Resident Troll deflects away from this to point out posts "liked" by a shooter no one actually said was influenced by Trump: check
It isn't that these people might check a box for the GOP ticket in the next election that's the issue. It's the ideology of hatred itself. It's the white nationalist ideology. The anti-immigrant ideology. The racist ideology. The xenophobia. The "white cultural genocide" ideology. And we blame the people that are stoking these fires, whether they be true believers or are doing it for political gain.
If the left were to adopt a platform that stoked hatred for women and sexual violence while allowing unchecked gun ownership, then yes, I would hold them responsible for the actions of someone like Conner Betts. |
You're blaming something neither Trump nor the GOP are doing for this guy's actions while denying that anyone on this thread is saying so.
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| Unfortunately what a lot of Trump followers aren't seeing (whether by choice or ignorance) is that Trump's words and stances on things are giving these people the OK to act on their feelings. He's made them feel that they are right to hate others and that it is OK to act on that hate. |
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Yes, we are blaming white nationalists for white nationalism. Shithole countries, murderers and rapists, "flooding our borders", "national emergency", build a giant wall to keep out these terrible people who are destroying our country. These are all things that Trump has said. This is dangerous rhetoric, that has been called out before the terrorist attacked by people who have warned repeatedly that it is fanning these flames.
But he has refused to stop, to tone down the rhetoric because his base eats it up. And when the president says it, the leader of the Republican Party, a party that studies have shown is fundamentally tribal now rather than ideological, this legitimizes those beliefs. It emboldens people who might before have thought they were on the fringe, but now feel that they are part of a legitimate movement. White nationalism has no place within The Overton window, but yet here we are.
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| Posted: 08/07/19 3:17 am ::: |
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| The chairwoman of the Ohio Republican Party called on Monday for the resignation of State Representative Candice Keller, a fellow Republican who one day earlier said mass shootings were the result of such factors as “homosexual marriage,” “drag queen advocates” and “recreational marijuana.” |
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/us/candice-keller-ohio.html
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| Posted: 08/07/19 8:33 am ::: |
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Trump’s Latino supporters say they’re sticking with him after El Paso shootings
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| “A lot of bad things are expressed against Latinos,” said Hernandez, speaking in Spanish. “But we don’t know if it’s this [that inspired the gunman] or not. There are a lot of supremacist groups, white supremacists, that don’t like minority groups — black people, Latinos. It’s not the fault of the president, because this has always been around, from way back in time." |
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| “Those who haven’t been shaken by that are hardly going to be shaken by what happened” in El Paso, said Pablo Pinto, a professor and director of the Center for Public Policy at the University of Houston, referring to Trump’s past criticism of Hispanics. “People who had voted Republican will continue voting Republican and tend to buy into this rhetoric that getting into the country illegally shouldn’t be rewarded.” |
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Beatriz Hernández, 56, came from Cuba, where she was a doctor, six years ago. She said Trump has qualities she likes, and that his anti-immigrant rhetoric is only directed toward those who come to the country illegally and commit crimes.
“No country has open borders and allows everyone to enter,” she said. |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-latino-supporters-say-theyre-sticking-with-him-after-el-paso-shootings/ar-AAFrnCQ?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout
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