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PostPosted: 06/10/19 1:02 pm    ::: Where Do You Rank Nadal Among All-Time Greats? Reply Reply with quote

Do you rank him top 3, 5, 10? What say you?


2009 Australian Open Champion
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2x Wimbledon Champion
3 US Open Champion
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2016 Olympic Doubles Gold Medalist
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Head to Head Records vs. Contemporaries
24-15 v. Federer
26-28 v. Djokovic
17-7 v. Murray
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PostPosted: 06/10/19 1:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's tough to rank him because he plays in All Time weak era. 85% of the slams the last 15 years have been won by just three guys.



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PostPosted: 06/10/19 1:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
It's tough to rank him because he plays in All Time weak era. 85% of the slams the last 15 years have been won by just three guys.


Or is it playing in an area with multiple all-time legends?

Frankly, the bigger issue with Nadal is 12 of his 18 GS titles have come at the French Open. He is the greatest clay court player of all-time, no doubt. But overall?


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pilight wrote:
It's tough to rank him because he plays in All Time weak era. 85% of the slams the last 15 years have been won by just three guys.


I knew how you felt. Laughing You really think the era is weak watching them (Federer, Nadal and Djokovic) play or maybe they're just that great?

I do think it's somewhere in the middle, even though I have been reading that this is the golden era of men's tennis.

Which era do you define as the strongest in men's tennis?

1960's (Led by Laver and Emerson)
1970's (Led by Rosewall, Newcombe, Connors, Borg and Vilas)
1980's (Led by McEnroe, Connors and Lendl)
1990's (Led by Sampras, Courier and Agassi)



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Genero36 wrote:
Which era do you define as the strongest in men's tennis?

1960's (Led by Laver and Emerson)
1970's (Led by Rosewall, Newcombe, Connors, Borg and Vilas)
1980's (Led by McEnroe, Connors and Lendl)
1990's (Led by Sampras, Courier and Agassi)


It feels weird to not mention the 1980s (and 1990s) and not include Stefan Edberg, Mats Wilander, and Boris Becker.


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PostPosted: 06/10/19 3:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

....and don't forget Bill Tilden. Cool

Ranking Top Tens EVER is always tempered by a big dose of hypotheticals, such as: How might Federer have fared against Rod Laver, if both were playing each other in their primes? Borg? Etc. And always, their records are a product of the context of their current peers; my personal opinion is that Federer might, at the very least, make the Top Five Ever.

Longevity/duration of career is another factor. For anyone to be a Top Tier player over a decade is amazing.



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PostPosted: 06/10/19 7:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

raffa is the GOAT ocd ass-picker. Surprised



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PostPosted: 06/10/19 8:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Genero36 wrote:
pilight wrote:
It's tough to rank him because he plays in All Time weak era. 85% of the slams the last 15 years have been won by just three guys.


I knew how you felt. Laughing You really think the era is weak watching them (Federer, Nadal and Djokovic) play or maybe they're just that great?

I do think it's somewhere in the middle, even though I have been reading that this is the golden era of men's tennis.

Which era do you define as the strongest in men's tennis?

1960's (Led by Laver and Emerson)
1970's (Led by Rosewall, Newcombe, Connors, Borg and Vilas)
1980's (Led by McEnroe, Connors and Lendl)
1990's (Led by Sampras, Courier and Agassi)


The late 70's and 80's were when I started watching, so I'm partial to that era.

It would be interesting to see how the big three would adjust to the old wood and early graphite rackets that didn't have the oversized sweet spots and the less homogeneous playing surfaces from the good old days.



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PostPosted: 06/10/19 9:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
raffa is the GOAT ocd ass-picker. Surprised


You say that like it's a BAD thing. Razz

pilight wrote:
It would be interesting to see how the big three would adjust to the old wood and early graphite rackets that didn't have the oversized sweet spots and the less homogeneous playing surfaces from the good old days.


Yeah. The RACKET technology. That's another huge factor. Shocked



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PostPosted: 06/11/19 9:40 am    ::: Re: Where Do You Rank Nadal Among All-Time Greats? Reply Reply with quote

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I'm not a tennis fan, but is it the custom to bite a trophy you have just won? Surprised

I mean, kissing a trophy, yes. But biting them? Shocked



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PostPosted: 06/11/19 9:45 am    ::: Re: Where Do You Rank Nadal Among All-Time Greats? Reply Reply with quote

StevenHW wrote:
I'm not a tennis fan, but is it the custom to bite a trophy you have just won? Surprised

I mean, kissing a trophy, yes. But biting them? Shocked


That's his own personal gimmick.



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PostPosted: 06/11/19 9:51 am    ::: Re: Where Do You Rank Nadal Among All-Time Greats? Reply Reply with quote

Genero36 wrote:
StevenHW wrote:
I'm not a tennis fan, but is it the custom to bite a trophy you have just won? Surprised

I mean, kissing a trophy, yes. But biting them? Shocked


That's his own personal gimmick.


Okay, thanks for the information. That explains it.

Still, I prefer to see athletes kissing a trophy instead of biting them. Such as Cristie Kerr in 2002... Wink




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PostPosted: 06/11/19 11:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

i would LOVE to see today's elite players use wooden rackets!

Imagine MLB using "hi-tech" bats.



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