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| Before this season, Carter shot 38 and 35 percent from 3pt range respectively. |
That's the part I was gonna point out. Why cherry-pick the 18 game sample from this season when we also have 65 games from the previous two? I don't pretend to have seen much of Carter, but she sure looked pro-ready in that game against Team USA. In the same way as a Cappie Pondexter she doesn't necessarily have to be either kind of guard if she's put in the right situation and system. Hell, New York's only free agent signing to help Ionescu out was a veteran point guard, so they're not exactly just handing things over to her either. |
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| I don't think Hebard gets enough credit. She plays hard on the defensive end, rebounds well, and is an outstanding finisher. I think people overlook her skills because of how Oregon runs its offense. The way Ionescu can find her in the pick and roll makes Ruthy's job look easy. But she knows how to find her spots and make shots at an extremely high rate. In my mind, she is a sure lottery pick.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 12:41 pm ::: |
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| I don't think Hebard gets enough credit. She plays hard on the defensive end, rebounds well, and is an outstanding finisher. I think people overlook her skills because of how Oregon runs its offense. The way Ionescu can find her in the pick and roll makes Ruthy's job look easy. But she knows how to find her spots and make shots at an extremely high rate. In my mind, she is a sure lottery pick. |
I hope that she is a lottery pick too.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 1:05 pm ::: |
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| Ice wrote: |
| I don't think Hebard gets enough credit. She plays hard on the defensive end, rebounds well, and is an outstanding finisher. I think people overlook her skills because of how Oregon runs its offense. The way Ionescu can find her in the pick and roll makes Ruthy's job look easy. But she knows how to find her spots and make shots at an extremely high rate. In my mind, she is a sure lottery pick. |
I hope that she is a lottery pick too. |
Her defense is suspect IMO, but I think has improved a lot over her 4 years. That said she has great hands, really nice moves and countermoves around the basket, and can finish even when off balance. I toyed with the idea, but don't think it will happen, of Oregon going one, two, three in the draft.
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| Posted: 02/17/20 1:45 pm ::: |
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| Before this season, Carter shot 38 and 35 percent from 3pt range respectively. |
That's the part I was gonna point out. Why cherry-pick the 18 game sample from this season when we also have 65 games from the previous two? I don't pretend to have seen much of Carter, but she sure looked pro-ready in that game against Team USA. In the same way as a Cappie Pondexter she doesn't necessarily have to be either kind of guard if she's put in the right situation and system. Hell, New York's only free agent signing to help Ionescu out was a veteran point guard, so they're not exactly just handing things over to her either. |
Excellent point ... I didn't look past this year.
But I think the comparisons to Cynthia Cooper might be pushing it some, and she doesn't look to be a point guard (unless her A/TO was also a lot better her first two years). A small two guard could be a dominant WNBA player, and I've certainly been wrong before ...
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| Posted: 02/17/20 1:54 pm ::: |
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My relflexive comparison with Hebard was Brianna Turner, who also played next to ball-dominant scoring guards in college but always looked like she could have a useful pro career, and showed some good signs last season. Hebard's at least as good, isn't she? Or was Turner that much better defensively in college to create a gap at that end of the floor?
'Sure lottery pick' seems excessive for Hebard, but I agree that she could be a useful pro and may fall further than she should. |
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| Posted: 02/17/20 6:06 pm ::: |
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My relflexive comparison with Hebard was Brianna Turner, who also played next to ball-dominant scoring guards in college but always looked like she could have a useful pro career, and showed some good signs last season. Hebard's at least as good, isn't she? Or was Turner that much better defensively in college to create a gap at that end of the floor?
'Sure lottery pick' seems excessive for Hebard, but I agree that she could be a useful pro and may fall further than she should. |
I think she's quite a bit better than Turner offensively, but definitely not as good defensively. I think she can learn since she is pretty athletic and agile. In a way, in college it's more important for her to stay out of foul trouble and in that regard she's doing what her team needs her to do. She will also have to adjust to the physicality so I think it's best if she goes someplace where she will have time to adjust... but that's true of most posts.
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| Posted: 02/18/20 1:19 pm ::: |
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I was close to mentioning Stephanie Jones as a way under the radar prospect. She should be worth a shot in somebody’s training camp. First rounder? Naw, not even close unless she amazes in the NCAAT.
She’s not even a consistent starter since they play Charles at the PF. Maybe she’ll start based on matchups or injuries, but it’s mostly Charles and Austin in the post.
Lynetta Kizer was another one who didn’t start at Maryland but carved out a little bit of a career in the WNBA.
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| Posted: 02/18/20 1:26 pm ::: |
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I was close to mentioning Stephanie Jones as a way under the radar prospect. She should be worth a shot in somebody’s training camp. First rounder? Naw, not even close unless she amazes in the NCAAT.
She’s not even a consistent starter since they play Charles at the PF. Maybe she’ll start based on matchups or injuries, but it’s mostly Charles and Austin in the post.
Lynetta Kizer was another one who didn’t start at Maryland but carved out a little bit of a career in the WNBA. |
Kizer was a starter her Freshman - Junior Year
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| Posted: 02/18/20 1:38 pm ::: |
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I was close to mentioning Stephanie Jones as a way under the radar prospect. She should be worth a shot in somebody’s training camp. First rounder? Naw, not even close unless she amazes in the NCAAT.
She’s not even a consistent starter since they play Charles at the PF. Maybe she’ll start based on matchups or injuries, but it’s mostly Charles and Austin in the post.
Lynetta Kizer was another one who didn’t start at Maryland but carved out a little bit of a career in the WNBA. |
Kizer was a starter her Freshman - Junior Year |
So that’s pretty similar. It would be weird if they had the exact same career trajectory.
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F - 0/34
So - 34/34
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| Posted: 02/18/20 1:55 pm ::: |
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| Kizer went in the third round of a not especially strong draft (the same one in which Connecticut threw away their first rounder taking Astan Dabo)
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| Posted: 02/18/20 2:11 pm ::: |
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| Kizer went in the third round of a not especially strong draft (the same one in which Connecticut threw away their first rounder taking Astan Dabo) |
That 2012 draft had a lot of weird picks._________________
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| Posted: 02/18/20 2:32 pm ::: |
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| Yet Kizer outlasted most of the players selected ahead or her, and might still be in the WNBA were it not for the injury problems she had.
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| I’d like to add Brittany Brewer to this thread from Texas Tech. She’s a finesse big at least 6”6 who can fit in with a team needing a scorer at the 5 . She rebounds just as well. If Bella Arie gets the hype she deserves someone needs to give BB a look possibly late 1st or early 2nd Rd she’s a baller
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| Posted: 02/18/20 9:27 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Kizer went in the third round of a not especially strong draft (the same one in which Connecticut threw away their first rounder taking Astan Dabo) |
That 2012 draft had a lot of weird picks. |
2012 Had below ... definitely a lot of strange picks 8 yrs later. 4 out of 12 still have a career in this league not counting Shenise due to injuries only. Imagine Minnesota choosing Glory instead of Devereaux Withiut Brunson at the moment.
Pick Player Nationality WNBA Team School/Club Team/Country
1 Nneka Ogwumike Los Angeles Sparks Stanford
2 Shekinna Stricklen Seattle Storm (from Chi.)
3 Devereaux Peters Minnesota Lynx (from Was.
4 Glory Johnson Tulsa Shock Tennessee
5 Shenise Johnson San Antonio Silver Stars Miami
6 Samantha Prahalis Phoenix Mercury Ohio State
7 Kelley Cain New York Liberty Tennessee
8 Natalie Novosel Washington Mystics (from Atl.) ND
9 Astan Dabo Connecticut Sun Mali
10 LaSondra Barrett Washington Mystics (from Sea.)
11 Sasha Goodlett Indiana Fever Georgia Tech
12 Damiris Dantas do. Minnesota Lynx
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| Posted: 02/18/20 9:31 pm ::: |
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| Imagine Minnesota choosing Glory instead of Devereaux Withiut Brunson at the moment. |
The Lynx traded Peters for Natasha Howard, who is way better than Glory Johnson.
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| Posted: 02/18/20 9:58 pm ::: |
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| I’d like to add Brittany Brewer to this thread from Texas Tech. She’s a finesse big at least 6”6 who can fit in with a team needing a scorer at the 5 . She rebounds just as well. If Bella Arie gets the hype she deserves someone needs to give BB a look possibly late 1st or early 2nd Rd she’s a baller |
*disclaimer: I really have only seen most college players in brief highlights.
But I liked Brewer and wanted her to slip to the Libs 3rd round pick, with Harris falling to our 2nd rounder (to start the college season). I think both go higher now.
I think Brewer would be a good pickup. She’s got good size, looked to have good hands and footwork, and 3pt range. She’s pretty fluid, especially for her size. But that’s what Alarie has that I personally like- more agility and more of a handle, which makes for good potential imo.
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So you're saying that #6 seemed ok at the time, and only looks trash in hindsight.
Meanwhile kudos to the Lynx for #12. Dodging bullets like Neo in the matrix to end up with Dantas.
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| Posted: 02/18/20 10:36 pm ::: |
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| So you're saying that #6 seemed ok at the time, and only looks trash in hindsight. |
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| Posted: 02/18/20 11:07 pm ::: |
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| I’d like to add Brittany Brewer to this thread from Texas Tech. She’s a finesse big at least 6”6 who can fit in with a team needing a scorer at the 5 . She rebounds just as well. If Bella Arie gets the hype she deserves someone needs to give BB a look possibly late 1st or early 2nd Rd she’s a baller |
*disclaimer: I really have only seen most college players in brief highlights.
But I liked Brewer and wanted her to slip to the Libs 3rd round pick, with Harris falling to our 2nd rounder (to start the college season). I think both go higher now.
I think Brewer would be a good pickup. She’s got good size, looked to have good hands and footwork, and 3pt range. She’s pretty fluid, especially for her size. But that’s what Alarie has that I personally like- more agility and more of a handle, which makes for good potential imo. |
I'm on the Brewer train, too. She has a ton of upside and is worth a relatively high pick. She put up great numbers (19 points, 14 rebounds) tonight against that notorious Baylor front line. Impressive.
(I've seen her play twice on TV, including the previous Baylor game, and agree on the comments on her movement and fluidity and length - it's a rare gift for someone at her size).
If Texas Tech makes a run to the Big 12 title game and gets in the NCAAs that could help, too.
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