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 Posted: 03/18/19 7:31 pm ::: Selection/seeding considerations |
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Over the past month, as we have been discussing selections and seedings, I made the comment a couple of times that the committees (mens and womens) have often commented that they wanted to see that teams could win tournament games and beat tournament teams, and thus that good wins count more than bad losses. Several posters didn't like that and demanded proof. Well, I didn't have a cite, it was just reality based on watching these selections every year for a very long time.
But if you want a cite now, go listen to the Committee Chair's comment that Tenn and IU got in despite their records because of their "significant wins."
Her comment that surprised me more was that strength of conference was a consideration.
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| Posted: 03/18/19 7:34 pm ::: Re: Selection/seeding considerations |
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Over the past month, as we have been discussing selections and seedings, I made the comment a couple of times that the committees (mens and womens) have often commented that they wanted to see that teams could win tournament games and beat tournament teams, and thus that good wins count more than bad losses. Several posters didn't like that and demanded proof. Well, I didn't have a cite, it was just reality based on watching these selections every year for a very long time.
But if you want a cite now, go listen to the Committee Chair's comment that Tenn and IU got in despite their records because of their "significant wins."
Her comment that surprised me more was that strength of conference was a consideration. |
They should have followed that up with a question about UCF and their one quadrant one victory
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| Posted: 03/18/19 8:13 pm ::: |
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| Baylor clearly got the easiest road. Supposedly because they are the #1 #1, but it seems pretty extreme. They got by far the easiest #2 and #3. Lobo and company on the show even commented on it.
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| Posted: 03/18/19 8:17 pm ::: |
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The way I heard the committee chair's explanation of the 2'ing of UConn, it turned on the poor strength of the AAC plus subjective eyeballing of UConn's relative performance down the stretch.
This is the first time UConn hasn't been a 1 since 2007. Does this mean this is the weakest UConn team since 2007? Actually, I've thought that all season.
Regardless, I like UConn's chances of winning Albany and going to another Final Four. However, if the Huskies have to play the Irish in the semifinals again . . . aaaghh! . . . that combo is Geno's Kryptonite. |
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| Posted: 03/18/19 8:47 pm ::: Re: Selection/seeding considerations |
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But if you want a cite now, go listen to the Committee Chair's comment that Tenn and IU got in despite their records because of their "significant wins."
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I was scratching my head over that comment. I had to look them up. RPI #59, SOS #38. Here are the "significant wins" with the teams' RPI rankings:
at #28 Texas
at #30 Missouri
#47 Belmont
#50 Auburn Home and Home
By contrast:
Ohio (#34 RPI #92 SOS)
at #25 Buffalo
at #32 CMU
#45 Miami (OH) Home and Home
Can you really say a team has "significant wins" when they don't have one against a top 25 RPI team?
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| Posted: 03/18/19 8:54 pm ::: Re: Selection/seeding considerations |
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| ArtBest23 wrote: |
But if you want a cite now, go listen to the Committee Chair's comment that Tenn and IU got in despite their records because of their "significant wins."
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I was scratching my head over that comment. I had to look them up. RPI #59, SOS #38. Here are the "significant wins" with the teams' RPI rankings:
at #28 Texas
at #30 Missouri
#47 Belmont
#50 Auburn Home and Home
By contrast:
Ohio (#34 RPI #92 SOS)
at #25 Buffalo
at #32 CMU
#45 Miami (OH) Home and Home
Can you really say a team has "significant wins" when they don't have one against a top 25 RPI team? |
My guess is that if you called team one Ohio and team 2 Tennessee, then team 2 would get in...
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| Posted: 03/18/19 8:57 pm ::: |
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| GlennMacGrady wrote: |
Regardless, I like UConn's chances of winning Albany and going to another Final Four. However, if the Huskies have to play the Irish in the semifinals again . . . aaaghh! . . . that combo is Geno's Kryptonite. |
UConn is 1-4 vs ND in the Semis (2-0 in the Finals). I wouldn't look too far ahead, though, given that UConn lost to their potential Elite Eight opponent. (Much like my not being comfortable until ND gets past the team that's handed them their last 2 NCAA Tournament losses and is the only team to beat ND in the Elite Eight).
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| Posted: 03/18/19 9:04 pm ::: Re: Selection/seeding considerations |
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| ArtBest23 wrote: |
Over the past month, as we have been discussing selections and seedings, I made the comment a couple of times that the committees (mens and womens) have often commented that they wanted to see that teams could win tournament games and beat tournament teams, and thus that good wins count more than bad losses. Several posters didn't like that and demanded proof. Well, I didn't have a cite, it was just reality based on watching these selections every year for a very long time.
But if you want a cite now, go listen to the Committee Chair's comment that Tenn and IU got in despite their records because of their "significant wins."
Her comment that surprised me more was that strength of conference was a consideration. |
They should have followed that up with a question about UCF and their one quadrant one victory |
From the same conference she was talking about with her "strength of conference" comment too.
Hey, I never said they were consistant.
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| Posted: 03/18/19 9:09 pm ::: |
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| Baylor clearly got the easiest road. Supposedly because they are the #1 #1, but it seems pretty extreme. They got by far the easiest #2 and #3. Lobo and company on the show even commented on it. |
The committee got K-Lawed...after the first reveal and hearing her complaints they quickly removed Uconn from their normal cakewalk and gave it to Baylor!#Amen
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| Posted: 03/18/19 9:23 pm ::: |
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| myrtle wrote: |
| Baylor clearly got the easiest road. Supposedly because they are the #1 #1, but it seems pretty extreme. They got by far the easiest #2 and #3. Lobo and company on the show even commented on it. |
The committee got K-Lawed...after the first reveal and hearing her complaints they quickly removed Uconn from their normal cakewalk and gave it to Baylor!#Amen |
The #1 overall seed should get the worst #2, top #3, etc, if geography or anything else isn't an overriding factor. NC State was the top #3 in the last reveal and nothing happened to probably have changed it.
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| Posted: 03/18/19 9:46 pm ::: |
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| myrtle wrote: |
| Baylor clearly got the easiest road. Supposedly because they are the #1 #1, but it seems pretty extreme. They got by far the easiest #2 and #3. Lobo and company on the show even commented on it. |
The committee got K-Lawed...after the first reveal and hearing her complaints they quickly removed Uconn from their normal cakewalk and gave it to Baylor!#Amen |
The #1 overall seed should get the worst #2, top #3, etc, if geography or anything else isn't an overriding factor. NC State was the top #3 in the last reveal and nothing happened to probably have changed it. |
yeah, that's if you really believe Baylor is the #1 and if you really believe NCState is the top #3. I don't think either of those things are real. Hence I think it's a bit bogus. jmo [For one thing,I don't think the #1 #1 should lose to Stanford. So really the reason they're being given the #1 #1 is because they beat UConn, which I think was an anomaly, and because they ran thru a very weak B12]
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| Posted: 03/18/19 10:09 pm ::: |
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http://dailycampus.com/stories/2019/3/18/womens-basketball-huskies-no-2-seed-in-ncaa-tournament
Per Geno....
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People don’t know this, but we play with a little chip on our shoulders too, it just doesn't show. Yeah people think we get breaks. We earn our breaks. We win every goddamn game and then we go where we’re supposed to go. That’s what the rule says. The No. 1 seed in the country goes someplace close. Someplace close is either Bridgeport or Albany. When it was in Trenton, we went to Trenton. When it was in Dayton, we went to Dayton. How far east you gotta go? I don’t care if they put it in the friggin Middle East. We’ll go there and we’ll still win,” Auriemma continued. |
Hopefully the comittee forgets this next year when your not as good Coach. I do believe this could light a fire under the huskies and run them into the final 4 on a mission. I still dont see them winning the title although i would not be shocked. Bold words from a bold man!
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| There is no in-between with this team,” Auriemma said after the AAC tournament. “Those other teams that I’ve coached, when they were good, you couldn’t get a shot off against us. Forget you would miss, you couldn’t get a shot off and when we were bad, you would get a bad shot. That was our worst - you got a bad shot. This team? When we are really good, you have a hard time scoring. When we are bad, you can get any shot you want and nobody will be near you.” |
Or they can be whom i expect and lose to the terps.
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| Posted: 03/18/19 10:22 pm ::: |
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Well, THIS one has me apoplectic with....giddiness.
1. I think Robert Morris must be utterly amazed that they don't have to face UConn for the 19th time in Storrs.
2. Go Hoosiers. But I still don't get (quite) it.
3. Baylor? I still don't buy their Best #1 rating. FF is looking 'iffy' for them, imo. I could easily imagine Iowa or FL-State taking them down. Cal, even. But....I AM quite imaginative. 
4. IFF Kim gets 'em there, obviously MS-State/Baylor will be must-see TV. JUST AS MUCH as a ND/L'ville repeat is 'RATHER NOT SEE' TV, on the other side of the bracket. (go Stanford!)
5. My Darling Ducklings: Vic's revenge will probably come close to Tara's revenge for a 40-pt slapdown. Only silver lining there: Sabrina stays put, with no NC in her pocket. 
6. Yep. I'm no stat-head. But imo, TN's loss to Vandy shoulda put them 'out', and Arkansas in.
7. Poor AZ-State....shipped out to Florida!  If they adjust to the climate fast enough, they just might take FL-State down.
8. Also noticed: Charlie C. came damned close to nailing the entire Portland regional correctly. He got the Eugene games perfectly. 
BEST POTENTIAL FOR ENTERTAINING Rd. 1 Games: (besides the obvious 8/9 matchups....)
UCLA/TN, Buffalo/Rutgers, & SD-State/Quinnipiac get my attention.
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| Posted: 03/19/19 7:58 am ::: |
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| One seeding consideration that the committee *definitely* strives to adhere to is to always place UCLA in UConn's bracket. Yesterday they did it for the 3rd time in the past 4 years. I can only assume it's a running gag at this point. I'd just like the committee to know that I see their joke, and I think it's hilarious.
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| Posted: 03/19/19 9:40 am ::: |
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| One seeding consideration that the committee *definitely* strives to adhere to is to always place UCLA in UConn's bracket. Yesterday they did it for the 3rd time in the past 4 years. I can only assume it's a running gag at this point. I'd just like the committee to know that I see their joke, and I think it's hilarious. |
Hey....third time's the charm, right?? Hellz Bellz.....if OKLAHOMA could lead UConn after 3 quarters, UCLA might just be ripe for a Cinderella thing here.
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