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calbearman76
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 Posted: 03/18/19 1:10 am ::: |
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It isn't illegal for schools to set their own admittance criteria. All schools, even public ones, can determine who is and is not let in. These decisions have to be made within non-discrimination laws but otherwise it is up to the administrators to set those policies. States may impose certain requirements on the administrators, but there is generally a degree of discretion.
This case involves fraud and bribery, providing money to certain people in order to create a false application. If the benefits had gone to the school and their administration deemed it in their best interest to allow for special admission on that basis there shouldn't be any legal issue, as long as that process is limited and in accordance with the overall policies of the institution. The schools were defrauded both by their employees and by the applicants by filing false applications. That is what made these actions illegal.
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ClayK
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| Posted: 03/18/19 9:11 am ::: |
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And as with UNC's ridiculously egregious scandal, the NCAA will do nothing.
And there will be minimal impact on the schools involved, as the only reason things like that happened is that there were way more applicants than available spots. There will still be more applicants, and in fact, I really doubt that, a year from now, anyone will decide not to apply to Stanford or USC because of this scandal.
Has UNC suffered any longtime damage from graduating a self-described illiterate or offering completely bogus classes?
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Phil
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| Posted: 03/18/19 10:11 am ::: |
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| This was not cheating by the Universities; it was lax supervision at worst. . |
Subject to the important caveat that there are a lot of allegations, and nothing has actually been proved definitively (as far as I know) so far, the allegations are far more significant than simply lx supervision.
There are multiple allegations of payoffs to college coaches to claim that some individual is being recruited for an athletic team when that individual is not remotely qualified. How is this not cheating?
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ClayK
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| Posted: 03/18/19 10:31 am ::: |
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| Phil wrote: |
| calbearman76 wrote: |
| This was not cheating by the Universities; it was lax supervision at worst. . |
Subject to the important caveat that there are a lot of allegations, and nothing has actually been proved definitively (as far as I know) so far, the allegations are far more significant than simply lx supervision.
There are multiple allegations of payoffs to college coaches to claim that some individual is being recruited for an athletic team when that individual is not remotely qualified. How is this not cheating? |
From what I understand, a full-time assistant athletic director of USC was encouraging falsified applications.
And coaches are employees of the university.
So at what point would "the university" be responsible? Every action is performed/authorized by an individual or committee, so does that mean "the university" is not responsible for any action? Or, to put it another way, then what actions could "the university" be held accountable for?
Of course, nothing will happen except some heads will roll, and the rich will figure out another way to use their money and influence to game the system, but it still seems to me that each university does bear most of the responsibility for these actions. If someone donates $300,000 to an athletic facility shortly after their child is admitted to the university, wouldn't that be a red flag worthy of some investigation? And if not, why not?
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Nixtreefan
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| Posted: 03/18/19 12:42 pm ::: |
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| THIS, Clay on the money.
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FrozenLVFan
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| Posted: 03/18/19 10:55 pm ::: |
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| My understanding is that some of the cheating happened without any university involvement at all, e.g. the students who were helped to better SAT/ACT scores preadmission, and that some other cases may have involved school officials but not the athletic depts, thereby being outside NCAA jurisdiction. And parents donate money to their kid's schools all the time, in fact every school maintains a list of past and present parents that they hit up for donations on a regular basis, and the wealthy ones cough up large sums. So I wouldn't find it at all suspicious if a parent donates $300K to their child's school for any specified purpose.
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