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| I'm a big UConn fan...but for once, just once...especially if the Huskies are a two seed, I'd like to see them go to a region other than Albany. Ship them off and make them win on the road! Whoever gets the #1 seed for that region should earn the right to be a #1 seed and not worry about a possible home crowd for a lower seed. In the early rounds I can see it, but not for regionals! |
UConn benefits from Albany being a long way from the other 1 seeds (if CT ends up a 1). It is much like Stanford for a number of years was the only 1 or 2 seed west of the Mississippi and not in Texas. So they always were either the one or the 2 in the west. Of course that was back when geography was the prime directive.
What irks me about the process is that there is no consistent method to selection. One year it's RPI, next it's Marquee wins, then it's geography. The policies and procedures are so convoluted that they can do any damn thing they want and find a way to justify it, and I think that's exactly what happens. I have sat on labor contract negotiations and I learned that even though the power lies within the committee, the leader(s) can control the outcome as long as they control the committee's agenda. I'm not impinging on the integrity of those that are on the committee, only those NCAA officials that pick the committee and set the agendas for the meetings.
I'm with Debbie. One site for the regionals. Rank em and seed accordingly.
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| Posted: 02/12/19 10:56 pm ::: |
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| I'm with Debbie. One site for the regionals. Rank em and seed accordingly. |
I was puzzled by her comment to that effect: she made it sound like it was the best thing for fans, but....I don't see that. If there's ONE regional--and it's chosen as centrally as possible--how does that help fans on either coast?
How does staging this kinda thing in Missouri or Nebraska (middle of the continent) help fans in CT, CA, OR, FL, etc.?
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| Posted: 02/13/19 4:43 am ::: |
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But Miami has two wins over Top 10 RPI teams, while Syracuse's very best win is over #20 Texas A&M.
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Charlie said that as well, but I count three. Am I missing something?
I agree with you that it is a very defensible selection. |
I think you messed up editing the quoting on this. The comment was made by "patsweetpat" not me.
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| Posted: 02/13/19 8:52 am ::: |
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I think you messed up editing the quoting on this. The comment was made by "patsweetpat" not me. |
I agree.
The statement from patsweetpat "But Miami has two wins over Top 10 RPI teams," got dropped.
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| Posted: 02/13/19 11:11 am ::: |
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| I'm with Debbie. One site for the regionals. Rank em and seed accordingly. |
I was puzzled by her comment to that effect: she made it sound like it was the best thing for fans, but....I don't see that. If there's ONE regional--and it's chosen as centrally as possible--how does that help fans on either coast?
How does staging this kinda thing in Missouri or Nebraska (middle of the continent) help fans in CT, CA, OR, FL, etc.? |
I think her idea is actually Las Vegas -- not centralized but relatively easy/cheap to fly into. Although, it doesn't seem like it's nearly as cheap as it used to be for flights or hotels.
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| Posted: 02/13/19 12:37 pm ::: |
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Yes, Antonelli's plan is to host the event in Las Vegas. Coincidentally, I chatted with her about this at a tournament in Las Vegas.
Obviously, she can speak for herself but my impression is that the main point isn't fans but fairness. Inevitably, and seemingly almost always for UConn, some of the regional locations will be very attractive for one fan base and less so for others. One attraction of Las Vegas is that there are virtually no likely Sweet 16 teams in the immediate area. (I'm pulling for Nevada to become one of those teams but that's a ways off and a 7 Hour Dr. some not exactly in the backyard.)
She's analogizing to other sports where they do have a single location for the Sweet 16, and serious fans make it a destination trip. Very serious basketball fans can have their fill of basketball, and fans of a particular team can find plenty to do in the area.
I'd still prefer to ease into this — starting with a superregional in Las Vegas for 8 teams, and a superregional for the other 8, possibly rotating between Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina or other suitable Eastern locations.
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| Posted: 02/13/19 1:17 pm ::: |
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I'm with Debbie. One site for the regionals. Rank em and seed accordingly. |
agree in theory that this might be 'fairer'. But in practice, it really would hurt a lot of revenue from loss of fans. And this year, as I expounded elsewhere, I think it would be very hard to come up with a satisfactory S-curve anyway. IMO regionals as they are really aren't so terrible. And as the good coaches will say, "you just have to win the next one and move on". I know East Coast teams moan and groan about being sent out West, but there are a bunch of West Coast teams that have to go back East as well. Might as well learn early that not everything in life is 'fair'. Stanford and Oregon State are both going to have long travel days for sure, and most of the other P12 teams will as well, especially this year when there aren't any regionals in the midwest (ie Texas or Oklahoma) as there usually are. So a 2000 mile trip to Chicago will be the 'closest' for most of them. Life is tough!  |
I got news for you Myrtle, Chicago is considered mid west.
You make a big deal out of distance. Sure, UConn fans have had it good as far a their regional site but so what? It's the benefit of often being the overall one seed and not nearly the edge teams that host the 1st 2 rounds have over their competition. And I don't see UConn fans staying home when the FF is 1500 miles away, which is often the case. Distance can mean at most a few extra hours on a plane but there isn't much difference between a site 750 miles away and one 1500 miles away.
And it would end forever the power of the committee to screw around with the pairings and the resulting whining from fans when it happens.
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| Posted: 02/13/19 2:16 pm ::: |
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| Put it in New Orleans!!
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| Posted: 02/13/19 4:26 pm ::: |
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Yes, Antonelli's plan is to host the event in Las Vegas. Coincidentally, I chatted with her about this at a tournament in Las Vegas.
Obviously, she can speak for herself but my impression is that the main point isn't fans but fairness. Inevitably, and seemingly almost always for UConn, some of the regional locations will be very attractive for one fan base and less so for others. One attraction of Las Vegas is that there are virtually no likely Sweet 16 teams in the immediate area. (I'm pulling for Nevada to become one of those teams but that's a ways off and a 7 Hour Dr. some not exactly in the backyard.)
She's analogizing to other sports where they do have a single location for the Sweet 16, and serious fans make it a destination trip. Very serious basketball fans can have their fill of basketball, and fans of a particular team can find plenty to do in the area.
I'd still prefer to ease into this — starting with a superregional in Las Vegas for 8 teams, and a superregional for the other 8, possibly rotating between Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina or other suitable Eastern locations. |
What sport has one location for the final 16 ? Baseball & Softball have 8 at their world series . Sixteen seems like too many to me .
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| Posted: 02/13/19 5:40 pm ::: |
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What sport has one location for the final 16 ? Baseball & Softball have 8 at their world series . Sixteen seems like too many to me . |
Those that have 8 play a double elimination tournament. With 16 teams wcbb would need 2 arenas the 1st day. 2 doubleheaders in the day from 11-4 and 2 more doubleheaders in the evening 6-11. Probably won't need 5 hours.
I've never been to Vegas during March madness but I have talked to several people who have and they say it's the party of the year despite not one game being played there. Even if you don't gamble there is an energy in Vegas that should be experienced.
Or the tournament can continue with games played in half-filled arenas.
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| Posted: 02/14/19 7:34 am ::: |
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What sport has one location for the final 16 ? Baseball & Softball have 8 at their world series . Sixteen seems like too many to me . |
Those that have 8 play a double elimination tournament. With 16 teams wcbb would need 2 arenas the 1st day. 2 doubleheaders in the day from 11-4 and 2 more doubleheaders in the evening 6-11. Probably won't need 5 hours.
I've never been to Vegas during March madness but I have talked to several people who have and they say it's the party of the year despite not one game being played there. Even if you don't gamble there is an energy in Vegas that should be experienced.
Or the tournament can continue with games played in half-filled arenas. |
How about 8 teams play on Monday , 8 play on Tuesday . off day on Wednesday ? Off days wouldn't be so bad in Vegas . Then quarter-finals on Thursday , semi-finals on Friday , off on Saturday and final game on Sunday . Might as well make a week of it .
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| Posted: 02/14/19 8:35 am ::: |
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Eff the Vegas nonsense.
Get rid of the G-curve. It's pretty simple.
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| Posted: 02/15/19 1:02 am ::: |
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| Huskies in white now, in Albany, after the Mizzou win?
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| Posted: 02/15/19 9:14 am ::: |
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| Posted: 02/15/19 11:16 am ::: |
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| Huskies in white now, in Albany, after the Mizzou win? |
UConn and Louisville now the only ones without a 'bad' loss. Well, technically Baylor's wasn't terrible, but UConn's and Louisville's losses are within that elite top six.
Baylor's also like MissSt in that their conference is so weak this year, they're not expected to lose again.
And now that MissSt is a #2 again, they could send them anywhere.
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| Posted: 02/15/19 11:43 am ::: |
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| Huskies in white now, in Albany, after the Mizzou win? |
UConn and Louisville now the only ones without a 'bad' loss. Well, technically Baylor's wasn't terrible, but UConn's and Louisville's losses are within that elite top six.
Baylor's also like MissSt in that their conference is so weak this year, they're not expected to lose again.
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UConn has multiple losses, few quality wins and play in a much weaker conference than Miss St or Baylor. Their resume is only marginally better than NC State. If the Pack beat Notre Dame this weekend, it will take some serious contortions of logic to keep the Hussies ahead of them.
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| Posted: 02/15/19 12:35 pm ::: |
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we drive to Vegas for the WCC tournament....1100 miles from our house....we have flown but we enjoy driving and having our car in Vegas....
in previous yrs the tourney would be several days but this year since our Lady Zags are doing so well we only need to be there Monday and Tuesday but we go on Friday regardless.....
often the MWC is there and this year the Pac 12 is going to be there....
ITS a BIG party....Zags own the Orleans and its eating, drinking, laughing, gambling and visiting and oh yes a whole bunch of games to go to...
its a blast.....
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| Posted: 02/15/19 12:43 pm ::: |
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| oh, I am soooo pulling for Ncst what with all the hate here.......
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| Posted: 02/15/19 3:30 pm ::: |
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| Huskies in white now, in Albany, after the Mizzou win? |
UConn and Louisville now the only ones without a 'bad' loss. Well, technically Baylor's wasn't terrible, but UConn's and Louisville's losses are within that elite top six.
Baylor's also like MissSt in that their conference is so weak this year, they're not expected to lose again.
And now that MissSt is a #2 again, they could send them anywhere. |
UConn has multiple losses, few quality wins and play in a much weaker conference than Miss St or Baylor. Their resume is only marginally better than NC State. If the Pack beat Notre Dame this weekend, it will take some serious contortions of logic to keep the Hussies ahead of them. |
Really?
If NC ST wins, then each team's best win is a wash. NC ST's 2nd best win will then be Massey #19 while UConn's will be Massey #13.
Then #33 vs #27. Then #35 vs #34.
There is no comparison re: the losses:
NC ST lost to #s 41 and 22; CT to #s 2 and 3.
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