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PostPosted: 04/09/19 1:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Eric Smalwell

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Putting his experience and his new energy to work for all Americans


Can't remember whether it is MSNBC or CNN or both, but he has gotten a ton of airtime as an invited guest talking about Russia collusion.


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@BetoORourke releases 10 years of tax returns. Tax Returns - Beto For America

See... It doesn't take 3 years...

https://betoorourke.com/tax-returns/



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This doesn't belong in a Democrat candidates for president in 2020 thread. It should be in a new thread, or since they kept throwing kudos to AOC, you could have stuck it in the AOC thread with all the other AOC youtube videos.


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PostPosted: 04/17/19 8:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Marianne Williamson

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Beto O'Rourke defends Ilhan Omar, assails Trump as 'racist'

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“He’s trying to incite hatred, Islamophobia and, I would argue, violence against her and other Muslims in this country,” O’Rourke said.

“This is the test of all tests for us. It’s not just that he is partisan, it’s not just that he is divisive. He is hateful. He is racist. He has encouraged the worst tendencies amongst our fellow Americans.

“Unless we can beat him in November of 2020, it will continue. Unless we offer a compelling, profoundly powerful alternative to hatred and division and fear and anger, it will continue.”


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PostPosted: 04/17/19 5:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Which Democratic Presidential Candidates Have Qualified for the First Debates?

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The DNC offered two ways to qualify:
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Joe Biden
Bernie Sanders
Kamala Harris
Beto O'Rourke
Elizabeth Warren
Cory Booker
Amy Klobuchar
Pete Buttigieg
Julian Castro
Kirsten Gillibrand
Jay Inslee
John Hickenlooper
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Just cutting to the chase. I’d like to see Bernie/Warren or Warren/Buttigieg. These are who would I like in office choices. If Trump is strong you’re going to need Bernie’s voice and talent to have a chance. If Trump is somehow in a weak position however I’d love to see Warren as president and Mayor Pete as the president in waiting for 2028. Trump is unpredictable and could somehow self destruct but barring that tomorrow may be one of the last chances to see him take the kind of definitive blow that could derail his chances. Not saying he’s anything close to a shoe in even without any damaging information in the Mueller Report. It’s going to be a close election no matter what.



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Just cutting to the chase. I’d like to see Bernie/Warren or Warren/Buttigieg. These are who would I like in office choices. If Trump is strong you’re going to need Bernie’s voice and talent to have a chance. If Trump is somehow in a weak position however I’d love to see Warren as president and Mayor Pete as the president in waiting for 2028. Trump is unpredictable and could somehow self destruct but barring that tomorrow may be one of the last chances to see him take the kind of definitive blow that could derail his chances. Not saying he’s anything close to a shoe in even without any damaging information in the Mueller Report. It’s going to be a close election no matter what.


Shocking that you want Boomers to finish the job of ruining the country. If the Dems nominate anyone born before 1960 they deserve the landslide they'll lose by.



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jammerbirdi wrote:
Just cutting to the chase. I’d like to see Bernie/Warren or Warren/Buttigieg. These are who would I like in office choices. If Trump is strong you’re going to need Bernie’s voice and talent to have a chance. If Trump is somehow in a weak position however I’d love to see Warren as president and Mayor Pete as the president in waiting for 2028. Trump is unpredictable and could somehow self destruct but barring that tomorrow may be one of the last chances to see him take the kind of definitive blow that could derail his chances. Not saying he’s anything close to a shoe in even without any damaging information in the Mueller Report. It’s going to be a close election no matter what.


Shocking that you want Boomers to finish the job of ruining the country. If the Dems nominate anyone born before 1960 they deserve the landslide they'll lose by.

Out of those that jammer listed, Mayor Pete intrigues me the most.

Seriously, do people not understand just how deadly the "socialist" label is for a candidate? I think Democrats are conflating the ever-increasing popularity of the government backed programs with people's ability to set aside their aversion to socialism. What do you think happens to all the swing voters, all those Obama-Trump voters that won the last two elections when they are bombarded day and night with Bernie calling himself a "socialist" and images of Venezuela? It's not accurate, but since when does that matter in an election? Bernie openly uses the word, and while the Democratic base has dropped puking at the sound of it the vast majority of America hasn't.

I like Bernie. A lot. And I think he could have won last time. But they are ready for him now, and another 4 years of Trump is not an acceptable risk. Electability should be the Democrats #1, #2, and #3 criteria for who to nominate.



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PostPosted: 04/17/19 8:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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jammerbirdi wrote:
Just cutting to the chase. I’d like to see Bernie/Warren or Warren/Buttigieg. These are who would I like in office choices. If Trump is strong you’re going to need Bernie’s voice and talent to have a chance. If Trump is somehow in a weak position however I’d love to see Warren as president and Mayor Pete as the president in waiting for 2028. Trump is unpredictable and could somehow self destruct but barring that tomorrow may be one of the last chances to see him take the kind of definitive blow that could derail his chances. Not saying he’s anything close to a shoe in even without any damaging information in the Mueller Report. It’s going to be a close election no matter what.


Shocking that you want Boomers to finish the job of ruining the country. If the Dems nominate anyone born before 1960 they deserve the landslide they'll lose by.


Like in 2016? Laughing

There won't be a landslide, no matter who is the Democratic nominee.



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PostPosted: 04/17/19 9:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

House Comm. chairs call for Barr to cancel his so-called press conf.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/439446-dem-house-committee-chairs-demand-barr-cancel-press-conference-on-mueller



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PostPosted: 04/17/19 9:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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....do people not understand just how deadly the "socialist" label is for a candidate?


The times, they are a-changin'.

It's all in the messaging, isn't it? Yes, many Boomers still cling to phobias surrounding Political Talking Points regarding things like socialism. I think the Dems have made significant progress in taking "socialism" out of the Four-Letter-Word category for most with functioning brains. After all, there are many socialist components in our lives right now.

Bernie/Elizabeth/whomever could do quite well to co-opt the very real/true theme that JESUS, SAVIOR OF THE UNIVERSE was as socialist as they come....just to win over the Big Christian Vote, or at least yank the chains of those idiotic Christians who don't even really know how He rolled. Razz

It's too bad my generation never developed a phobia for terms such as "oligarchy", "narcissistic personality disorder" or "pussy grabber". Oddly, they seem to invoke less fear than "socialism".



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Muffet McGraw is a Mayor Pete fan! I watched this this morning. She got really excited when she was asked about him.

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McGraw was also asked about her city's mayor, Pete Buttigieg, who announced his 2020 campaign for the Democratic nomination on Sunday.

"I think he's awesome," McGraw said, adding she was at the South Bend rally. "He's somebody that is a great voice, and he's got a different perspective than we've had. He's young, he knows this generation, and I think he's the future."


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PostPosted: 04/18/19 1:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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....do people not understand just how deadly the "socialist" label is for a candidate?

I think the Dems have made significant progress in taking "socialism" out of the Four-Letter-Word category for most with functioning brains. After all, there are many socialist components in our lives right now.

It's not just Baby Boomers.

There are policies that the GOP have labeled "socialist" that poll very well, and are very popular. The label is starting to lose its power when it comes to specific policy issues.

However, it is still very much a four letter word when it come to a political identity. Across the board, socialism is something that the vast, vast majority of Americans reject as a political ideology. And that goes for Baby Boomers, Gen Xers, and Millennials alike.

As I said, Democrats have to be very careful not to conflate these two concepts and think the country is ready to embrace a new era. At best the country has started to shift from center right to center left. I think Bernie could have won in 2016 because of how unpopular Trump was. But now Trump has the power of incumbency behind him, the country survived him, and the economy is good. If the Dems nominate someone too far out of the comfort range of those swing voters they will hold their noses and vote Trump again saying, "The devil I know...".



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Bernie Sanders (and a few of the freshman House members) label themselves Democratic Socialists, but then don’t advocate socialism, which means they either aren’t Democratic Socialists, or are waiting (as the Democratic Socialists of America website says is necessary) to call for them. I don’t see the benefit of saying you are a Democratic Socialist and then not advocating public ownership of corporations - if not today, within some timeframe. I agree with justintyme that it is going to hurt you. Talk about free college and Medicare for all, but leave out a label that doesn’t apply to what you are proposing. Now Republicans can refer to Venezuela every time they criticize Sanders.


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I think Elizabeth Warren has shown WHY someone with a half-a-brain might be or have been excited at her candidacy for president the last few days. I don't agree with her calling for impeachment but I have to say, very smart. She stepped right out in front and shored up a lot of support on the resistance side of things.

But this education thing REALLY is the start of how her class and substance will help move her to the front of the pack and it is really how the Democrats can and should present themselves to the 'people' of this country as an alternative to the populism of Trump. Policy, policy, policy.

That's all I have time for. Cool

I so wish Warren had run the last time around. On the other hand, her convention speech was a really bad moment IMO. She looked small and weak and uninspiring and irrelevant. So she's got some work to do on presentation but substantively she's starting to set herself apart from this shit show on the Democratic side of things. And Mayor Pete disagreeing with her? lol. Uh.. okay. Rolling Eyes



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Bernie Sanders (and a few of the freshman House members) label themselves Democratic Socialists, but then don’t advocate socialism, which means they either aren’t Democratic Socialists, or are waiting (as the Democratic Socialists of America website says is necessary) to call for them. I don’t see the benefit of saying you are a Democratic Socialist and then not advocating public ownership of corporations - if not today, within some timeframe. I agree with justintyme that it is going to hurt you. Talk about free college and Medicare for all, but leave out a label that doesn’t apply to what you are proposing. Now Republicans can refer to Venezuela every time they criticize Sanders.


Labels. Labels, LABELS. I think we veer more toward a dystopian society when we get so ensnared in labels. And those in favor of that are precisely the ones that will use the labels to incite fear and divisiveness, as it serves them best.

A. "Socialism" is indeed, NOT a four letter word. Jesus was tres socialist (yes, I shall harp on that mantra forever Razz ) But even He wouldn't have advocated for radical political movement, imo.

B. Need vs. Power. Do Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet, et. al., all NEED that 4th or 9th billion that is theirs? To continue amassing wealth, long after your 'needs' are met (19 times over), wealth of that kind is all about power. OVER The People, off whose backs your wealth was attained. Certainly not FOR the people.

C. We already ENJOY socialist programs. Ask yer gramma about Social Security and Medicare.

D. "Diffusion"-- a very simple, natural scientific concept: Matter moves from a region of higher concentration to a region of lower concentration. Money/Power are growing more concentrated among fewer and fewer people.

E. Can anybody explain for me how Venezuela's current situation is conflated with "socialism". I've never been there, but I believe it's considered a Federal Presidential Republic.



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Howee wrote:
tfan wrote:
Bernie Sanders (and a few of the freshman House members) label themselves Democratic Socialists, but then don’t advocate socialism, which means they either aren’t Democratic Socialists, or are waiting (as the Democratic Socialists of America website says is necessary) to call for them. I don’t see the benefit of saying you are a Democratic Socialist and then not advocating public ownership of corporations - if not today, within some timeframe. I agree with justintyme that it is going to hurt you. Talk about free college and Medicare for all, but leave out a label that doesn’t apply to what you are proposing. Now Republicans can refer to Venezuela every time they criticize Sanders.


Labels. Labels, LABELS. I think we veer more toward a dystopian society when we get so ensnared in labels. And those in favor of that are precisely the ones that will use the labels to incite fear and divisiveness, as it serves them best.


This particular "label" says they want corporations to be owned by the government/community/employees/customers and not as done now. Hardly an insignificant "label" and if they don't believe in radical changes in the ownership of the "means of production" then they should find another "label" that applies. "Progressive" or "liberal" would seem to cover anything that they are currently proposing.

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A. "Socialism" is indeed, NOT a four letter word. Jesus was tres socialist (yes, I shall harp on that mantra forever Razz ) But even He wouldn't have advocated for radical political movement, imo.

C. We already ENJOY socialist programs. Ask yer gramma about Social Security and Medicare.


I was discussing "socialism" on another forum and it came out that there is definitely a discrepancy with how socialism is defined by people. Wikipedia defines it as I remember it from college, with regard to it being the ownership of the means of production. Instead of privately and publicly owned corporations, it is the government/employees/community/customers who are the owners. But other people are using a different definition as you do - socialism is government policies unrelated to the "means of production", in effect refering to "social programs" as "socialism". But both the Wikipedia for Democratic Socialism and the website for the Democratic Socialists of America talk about the "means of production" being ultimately owned by the state/workers/community/customers.

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D. "Diffusion"-- a very simple, natural scientific concept: Matter moves from a region of higher concentration to a region of lower concentration. Money/Power are growing more concentrated among fewer and fewer people.


It should be illegal to give money to a politician (and for a politician like Trump to spend his own millions on his behalf), regardless if it is for a campaign. PACs and SuperPACS should be illegal. Only the government should fund "campaigns" that consist of websites, and debates which are either televised on streamed online.


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Democrat activists disagree with the voters at this point on 2020 candidates.

The polls of regular folks have Biden in the lead, followed by Sanders with both being significantly ahead of the rest. O'Rourke and Harris are 3rd and 4th with similar percentages.

However, Democrat activists have Harris, Booker and Warren as their top 3 candidates, and of the voters top 3, Sanders is the first to show up at #7 on the Democrat activists' scorecard. And Sanders and Biden are given as 2 of the top 3 choices for who Democrat activists would not support (Tulsi Gabbard the 3rd)





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Hey, you missed one, tfan! Razz

Howee wrote:
E. Can anybody explain for me how Venezuela's current situation is conflated with "socialism". I've never been there, but I believe it's considered a Federal Presidential Republic.



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E. Can anybody explain for me how Venezuela's current situation is conflated with "socialism". I've never been there, but I believe it's considered a Federal Presidential Republic.


Just like the Nazis self identified as socialists, the National Socialist German Workers' Party



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E. Can anybody explain for me how Venezuela's current situation is conflated with "socialism". I've never been there, but I believe it's considered a Federal Presidential Republic.


Just like the Nazis self identified as socialists, the National Socialist German Workers' Party


So, you're implying that Venezuela is self-identifying as a socialist nation? Do you have any sources to verify that?



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E. Can anybody explain for me how Venezuela's current situation is conflated with "socialism". I've never been there, but I believe it's considered a Federal Presidential Republic.


It appears to be a labeling issue:
Politics of Venezuela:
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Venezuela has a dominant-party system, dominated by the United Socialist Party of Venezuela amidst other parties listed in the following section. The governing United Socialist Party of Venezuela (Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela, PSUV) was created in 2007, uniting a number of smaller parties supporting Hugo Chávez's Bolivarian Revolution with Chávez's Fifth Republic Movement.PSUV and its forerunners have held the Presidency and National Assembly since 1998. The Democratic Unity Roundtable (Mesa de la Unidad Democrática, MUD), created in 2008, unites much of the opposition (A New Era (UNT), Project Venezuela, Justice First, Movement for Socialism (Venezuela) and others). Hugo Chávez, the central figure of the Venezuelan political landscape since his election to the Presidency in 1998 as a political outsider, died in office in early 2013, and was succeeded by Nicolás Maduro (initially as interim President, before narrowly winning the Venezuelan presidential election, 2013). Venezuela has a presidential government. The Economist Intelligence Unit has rated Venezuela as "authoritarian" in 2017.


But they have a stock market, so they aren't practicing socialism - by my, and Wikipedia's, definition.


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