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PostPosted: 02/20/20 3:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The concern I still have about Bernie Sanders is that to me, he's a potential double-edged sword, if that's even the right term.

If he's the Democratic nominee, it could turn away moderates to where they wouldn't vote for him in November. Trump then wins.

If he isn't the Democratic nominee, it could cause enough of the Bernie-or-bust supporters of his to instead vote for Trump in November, like some of them did in 2016. Trump then wins.

And it appears he doesn't have room to expand his politics like other candidates do, because to me and others, what his political calling card is, is his political consistency over the decades. He at best can market himself as a "democratic socialist" if he wins the Democratic Primary. But he can't shy away from the "socialist" term that, while I and many others don't find it scary, does scare different and/or less informed people, especially the aforementioned moderates.

My favorite candidate is and has been Warren, but full disclosure, I'm not sure she would still be my favorite if she weren't a woman. Laughing And Sanders is still probably my second-favorite. All in all, every Democratic candidate has pros and cons, and none of them at this point would be a "slam dunk" candidate. The point of this post, I guess, is that I think Sanders just being in the field adds to that riskiness of everyone overall - not that I necessarily blame it on him, cuz I pretty much don't. I'm just hoping and praying that those who both support him and won't support anyone else if he doesn't make it need to take a good long hard look at themselves and think clearly and carefully before November's election... Confused


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PostPosted: 02/20/20 3:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Bernie told us another 37 times that health care is human right, which always makes me wonder what his freebie or commie position is on housing and food.

That they are human rights as well?

Not sure why these are mutually exclusive? Seems all are pretty essential for life in the modern world.


Yeah, of all the problems I have with Sanders, his views on economic human rights aren’t one of them..



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PostPosted: 02/21/20 2:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bernie polled better against Trump in 2016 than Clinton. And he polls well against Trump now. The Democratic elite and corporate media are the groups that he does poorly with.


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PostPosted: 02/21/20 7:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
Bernie polled better against Trump in 2016 than Clinton. And he polls well against Trump now. The Democratic elite and corporate media are the groups that he does poorly with.


Bernie isn’t polling better against Trump than Clinton was at this point.



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PostPosted: 02/21/20 2:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
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Bloomberg seems pretty shaky on the debate stage.


That's one word for it. He just got beat up from every side, especially Warren's.


Try two words: Jewish Pinata


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PostPosted: 02/21/20 5:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Bernie told us another 37 times that health care is human right, which always makes me wonder what his freebie or commie position is on housing and food.

That they are human rights as well?

Not sure why these are mutually exclusive? Seems all are pretty essential for life in the modern world.


Bernie is spot on, baby. IFFFF a country is considered the MOST wealthy/gifted country in the world, ANDDD statistically spends the MOST per capita of any country on health care, THEN, YESSS, that health care should be a basic *human right* of those citizens.

As our system is now rigged, Big Pharma/Insurers/etc. rake in billions in profit while the laborers and indigent often don't have the most basic of coverage. This inequity is deserved by neither Fat Cats nor the uninsured. ESPECIALLY as it is all FIXABLE, provided Americans give up the fucktarded notion that all must EARN what they get.



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PostPosted: 02/21/20 9:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
tfan wrote:
Bernie polled better against Trump in 2016 than Clinton. And he polls well against Trump now. The Democratic elite and corporate media are the groups that he does poorly with.


Bernie isn’t polling better against Trump than Clinton was at this point.


If true, that would mean that Bernie isn't polling as well as Bernie was in 2016 if it is true that Sanders polled better vs Trump in 2016. Which would not be a surprise as Trump is now an incumbent without a recession. But RealClearPolitics has a Feb 19 national poll with Sanders +6, Biden +7 and Bloomberg +5 versus Trump. So "Bernie can't win" doesn't seem any truer than "No Democrat can win".

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/


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PostPosted: 02/21/20 11:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 02/22/20 3:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
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Remind me, how long Florida in 2000 took?
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this is just plain embarrassing. this isn't 2000, it's 2020 and we should know the results by now.


That Iowa joke is still on us. Both Bernie and Pete asked for the partial re-canvas. And now there's a full recount.

Nevada has ditched said goofy app, but is cautioning they "might" not know the results right away. Oh, Saturday Night's all right for fighting ...


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PostPosted: 02/22/20 8:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote


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LAS VEGAS (AP) — Bernie Sanders scored a resounding victory in Nevada’s presidential caucuses on Saturday, cementing his status as the Democrats' national front-runner amid escalating tensions over whether he’s too liberal to defeat President Donald Trump.

The 78-year-old Vermont senator successfully rallied his fiercely loyal base and tapped into support from Nevada’s large Latino community as the Democratic contest moved for the first time into a state with a significant minority population.

The win built on Sanders’ win earlier this month in the New Hampshire primary. He essentially tied for first place in the Iowa caucuses with Pete Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who has sought to position himself as an ideological counter to Sanders’ unabashed progressive politics, but was fighting for a distant second place in Nevada.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/sanders-takes-early-lead-in-nevada-democratic-caucuses/ar-BB10grr0



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PostPosted: 02/23/20 10:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Pete has been calling out Sanders in a way that has been necessary - but no one has done in five freaking years.

It's a toss up for me between him and Biden. Pete has to show growth in minority support. (And lol at this idea that Bernie has with his 20% black support..)

Also love all the white male saviors who talked about what a horrible candidate Clinton was, and how they alone can save us from Trump.

Sanders lost to a baby mayor in one state, only beat him by 2% in his neighbor state, and 70% of the Democratic base has rejected him.

Biden hasn't won a state yet. Laughing

Clinton would have stomped on these clowns.



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PostPosted: 02/23/20 11:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Clinton would have stomped on these clowns.


Maaaybe. But hypotheticals do us no good here. She did NOT stomp the Greatest Clown of All, when it was hers for the taking. Her miscalculations cannot be repeated.



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PostPosted: 02/23/20 7:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Please just give us someone worth voting for
- Millennials, probably



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PostPosted: 02/23/20 8:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

DNC Mulls Asking Donald Trump To Run As Democrat In Effort To Stop Sanders

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Look, sometimes politics makes strange bedfellows, but I think I speak for party leadership when I say that we’d much rather see Donald Trump than Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee.
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PostPosted: 02/23/20 8:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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DNC Mulls Asking Donald Trump To Run As Democrat In Effort To Stop Sanders

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Look, sometimes politics makes strange bedfellows, but I think I speak for party leadership when I say that we’d much rather see Donald Trump than Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee.


That reeks of Onions. Razz Laughing



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PostPosted: 02/23/20 8:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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DNC Mulls Asking Donald Trump To Run As Democrat In Effort To Stop Sanders

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Look, sometimes politics makes strange bedfellows, but I think I speak for party leadership when I say that we’d much rather see Donald Trump than Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee.


Already have the “Democrat” version of Trump in Bloomberg.



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PostPosted: 02/23/20 8:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
DNC Mulls Asking Donald Trump To Run As Democrat In Effort To Stop Sanders

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Look, sometimes politics makes strange bedfellows, but I think I speak for party leadership when I say that we’d much rather see Donald Trump than Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee.


That reeks of Onions. Razz Laughing


Or of MSNBC pundits . . . but he need fear not . . . for the bedfellow Russians favor his election . . . so the vaunted intell community says.

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PostPosted: 02/24/20 4:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
Howee wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
DNC Mulls Asking Donald Trump To Run As Democrat In Effort To Stop Sanders

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Look, sometimes politics makes strange bedfellows, but I think I speak for party leadership when I say that we’d much rather see Donald Trump than Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee.


That reeks of Onions. Razz Laughing


Or of MSNBC pundits . . . but he need fear not . . . for the bedfellow Russians favor his election . . . so the vaunted intell community says.

Hasn't been this much fun, fun, fun since the Beachboys in '64.


The Russians favor Trump's re-election, and they favor Sanders running against Trump for the Democrats.....


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PostPosted: 02/24/20 6:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
for the bedfellow Russians favor his election . . . so the vaunted intell community says.


We all know the deep state is only trustworthy when they're pointing out middle easterners to kill



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PostPosted: 02/24/20 4:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Cardiology director says there's one heart measure Sanders could disclose but isn't

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But by releasing one simple indicator of his heart health, Sanders could address some lingering questions, the president of the American College of Cardiology, Richard Kovacs, tells NBC News.
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That indicator, called the left ventricular ejection fraction, is provided to any patient after a heart attack, Kovacs said. It’s a measure of how much blood volume the heart pushes out with an individual heartbeat and it correlates with the risk for future cardiac events and mortality rate.

“Normally the heart will push out 60 percent,” Kovacs said. “If you go down to 40 or 50 percent, we regard that as mild impairment of the left ventricle. Thirty to 40 percent would be moderate. If you get to 30 percent, that would be severe.”

Sanders hasn’t revealed what the number was at the time of his heart attack nor what it is today.
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PostPosted: 02/24/20 5:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Cardiology director says there's one heart measure Sanders could disclose but isn't

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But by releasing one simple indicator of his heart health, Sanders could address some lingering questions, the president of the American College of Cardiology, Richard Kovacs, tells NBC News.
. . . .

That indicator, called the left ventricular ejection fraction, is provided to any patient after a heart attack, Kovacs said. It’s a measure of how much blood volume the heart pushes out with an individual heartbeat and it correlates with the risk for future cardiac events and mortality rate.

“Normally the heart will push out 60 percent,” Kovacs said. “If you go down to 40 or 50 percent, we regard that as mild impairment of the left ventricle. Thirty to 40 percent would be moderate. If you get to 30 percent, that would be severe.”

Sanders hasn’t revealed what the number was at the time of his heart attack nor what it is today
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I think he should get right on that....AS SOON AS DON THE CON TELLS HIS ACTUAL WEIGHT AND RELEASES HIS TAX RETURNS. Razz Laughing Laughing



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Trump needs an independent mental health assessment and we should be all entitled to the results.



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