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| They really need to quit calling this plan Medicare For All. Medicare has premiums, copays, deductibles, lots of doctors who don't accept it, and tons of things it doesn't cover. Calling it Medicare For All makes people think they're going to be forced into a bad plan.
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| Posted: 09/12/19 9:21 pm ::: |
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Booker remains the most charismatic debater in the field.
Harris, Castro and Beto having good nights too.
Sanders and Warren continue to make themselves unappealing to huge chunks of voters.
I don’t know what Biden is trying to say most of the time. He comes across as old.
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| Posted: 09/12/19 9:23 pm ::: |
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| I don’t know what Biden is trying to say most of the time. He comes across as old. |
i was distracted, but did i hear him make reference to a record player?
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| Posted: 09/12/19 9:41 pm ::: |
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| I don’t know what Biden is trying to say most of the time. He comes across as old. |
i was distracted, but did i hear him make reference to a record player? |
Yup.
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| Posted: 09/12/19 10:25 pm ::: |
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| I don’t know what Biden is trying to say most of the time. He comes across as old. |
i was distracted, but did i hear him make reference to a record player? |
Yup. |
Yes, Biden was saying that kids will become better educated if they hear more words spoken in the home. Thus, he advocated kids listening to more radio and record players.
I generally agree with Mercfan's summary of this debate above, and voted for Booker in the four funky intstapolls I follow. |
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| Posted: 09/13/19 5:24 am ::: |
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| The old guys aren't appealing anymore(Biden, Sanders, Warren). Booker & Beto came out on top last night. Yang is still a surprise. Mayor Pete seems to be fading away.
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https://nypost.com/2019/09/12/democratic-debate-2019-beto-orourke-vows-hell-yes-were-going-to-take-your-ar-15/
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He didn’t used an “F-bomb” — but Beto O’Rourke was emphatic about taking away people’s assault rifles during Thursday night’s Democratic debate.
“Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” the former Texas congressman vowed from the debate stage in Houston, Texas.
During an interview on CNN earlier this month he declared: “Yes, this is f–ed up,” when asked about widespread gun violence in the country.
If elected, O’Rourke on Thursday confirmed that he’d be for a mandatory buyback of weapons like the AK-47 and AR-15 rifles, which have been used in many of the recent mass shootings.
“If it’s a weapon that was designed to kill people on a battlefield, if the high-impact, high-velocity round when it hits your body shreds everything inside of your body because it was designed to do that, so that you would bleed to death on a battlefield not be able to get up and kill one of our soldiers,” O’Rourke said. “When we see that being used against children… hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47.” |
I would say that Beta is officially toast at this point. 0% chance of being elected president. If I were of influence at the networks I wouldn't even invite him to the next debate.
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| Posted: 09/13/19 7:31 am ::: |
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The instapolls on the third debate.
Drudge: Yang, Biden, Klobuchar
Heavy.com: Yang, Sanders, Biden
Washington Examiner: Yang, Sanders, Biden
NJ.com : Sanders, Yang, Biden
Warren was in single digits in all four polls. |
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Winners
The Democratic Party: Given this was the first time the cream of the Democratic crop was all on the same debate stage, it took on added significance. And the field was better than it has been. The absence of bomb-throwers who were at 1 percent in the polls helped keep things focused. But even beyond that, the candidates including former vice president Joe Biden (though he still had his poor moments) and Kamala D. Harris (who somewhat fell apart in her closing statement) were generally sharper than they have been. I named President Trump a winner after a previous debate, given how so-so the Democrats were. Party leaders should be more encouraged by what they saw Thursday.
Elizabeth Warren: She was not dominant, she had the best performance and, more importantly, the fewest tough moments. Warren seems to come into these debates with a clear game-plan, lots of ideas and — somewhat inexplicably — seems almost impossible for her opponents to attack. If that continues to be the case, she reaps the rewards from Biden and Bernie Sanders taking hits. She’s also the only candidate with sustained upward momentum in this race. It’s difficult to see how that doesn’t continue after this.
Pete Buttigieg: Buttigieg has been solid and even impressive at basically every debate, and while he may not have wowed anyone or knocked down his opponents Thursday, he was good again. He had perhaps the best argument against getting rid of private insurance for Medicare-for-all, saying, “If we’re right as progressives that the public alternative is better, then the American people will figure that out for themselves.” He said of Trump’s China trade war: “When I first got into this race, I remember President Trump scoffed and said he’d like to see me making a deal with Xi Jinping; I’d like to see him making a deal with Xi Jinping.” And the crowd loved it when he said that on public education, he’d “appoint a secretary of education who actually believes in public education.” They might have been prepared lines, but they didn’t come off as such. Buttigieg is routinely and unfailingly prepared. And his closing answer on coming out as gay came off as genuine and had a real point behind it. |
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Prosecutors: Both Harris and Klobuchar, as former prosecutors, faced brutal questions about their records — particularly when it comes to racial justice. Harris responded to reservations about her tough-on-crime record by saying, “I made a decision that if I was going to have the ability to reform the system, I was going to have to do it from the inside” but admitted she hadn’t done enough. Klobuchar was asked about an ACLU official who said she showed no interest in racial justice as Hennepin County, Minn., prosecutor. She did okay with the question, pointing to black kids whose killers she prosecuted. But it was anecdotal, and it wasn’t great. We knew this was a hurdle, especially for Harris; that was certainly the case Thursday.
Yang’s gimmick: Yang previewed before the debate that he would be doing something unprecedented. It turns out that was giving his universal basic income ($1,000 per month) to 10 lucky people who went to his website. But that may run afoul of campaign finance laws. It also seemed to draw some patronizing laughter from his opponents. Yang is a serious candidate; he doesn’t really need to do that kind of thing. |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/13/winners-losers-third-democratic-debate/
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| Posted: 09/13/19 9:08 am ::: |
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| Shocking that the establishment mouthpieces are in the bag for Warren and hate Yang.
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| Posted: 09/13/19 9:35 am ::: |
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| If I were to pick the Final 5 now, I'd go with: Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Biden, O'Rourke.
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| Posted: 09/13/19 9:43 am ::: |
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| If I were to pick the Final 5 now, I'd go with: Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Biden, O'Rourke. |
Considering O'Rourke is already behind Yang in the polls, it doesn't seem likely he'll be a contender
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| Posted: 09/13/19 10:22 am ::: |
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| Shocking that the establishment mouthpieces are in the bag for Warren and hate Yang. |
Yes, as I think I observed earlier in this thread, it's long been obvious that most media and pundits are in the bag and hauling water for Warren. |
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| Posted: 09/13/19 10:38 am ::: |
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| Shocking that the establishment mouthpieces are in the bag for Warren and hate Yang. |
Yes, as I think I observed earlier in this thread, it's long been obvious that most media and pundits are in the bag and hauling water for Warren. |
One wonders how much of those stories were written before the debate started
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| Posted: 09/13/19 11:00 am ::: |
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| Shocking that the establishment mouthpieces are in the bag for Warren and hate Yang. |
Yang's lottery gimmick was pretty cool. Too bad Ed McMahon isn't around to hand out billboard-size checks to the lucky winners.
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| Posted: 09/13/19 11:07 am ::: |
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| Shocking that the establishment mouthpieces are in the bag for Warren and hate Yang. |
Yes, as I think I observed earlier in this thread, it's long been obvious that most media and pundits are in the bag and hauling water for Warren. |
Which is stupid.
Neither Sanders or Warren are going to win.
They have full name recognition, and black voters have rejected them. Their only path is to prop up Castro, Harris, Booker, and Beto up enough to break up that block - that is currently giving Biden the edge.
Those two aren’t taking the edge from Biden, one of the above four might be able to, but I think they hurt each other by all being in the race.
Also..questions asking the white male candidates low hanging fruit questions about race while crucifying Harris for being a black woman in a position of power was noticeable to a lot of people.
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| Posted: 09/13/19 11:16 am ::: |
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| Shocking that the establishment mouthpieces are in the bag for Warren and hate Yang. |
Yes, as I think I observed earlier in this thread, it's long been obvious that most media and pundits are in the bag and hauling water for Warren. |
Which is stupid.
Neither Sanders or Warren are going to win.
They have full name recognition, and black voters have rejected them. Their only path is to prop up Castro, Harris, Booker, and Beto up enough to break up that block - that is currently giving Biden the edge.
Those two aren’t taking the edge from Biden, one of the above four might be able to, but I think they hurt each other by all being in the race.
Also..questions asking the white male candidates low hanging fruit questions about race while crucifying Harris for being a black woman in a position of power was noticeable to a lot of people. |
Do you mean Sanders/Warren aren't going to win the Democrat primary or aren't going to win against Trump? |
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| Shocking that the establishment mouthpieces are in the bag for Warren and hate Yang. |
Yes, as I think I observed earlier in this thread, it's long been obvious that most media and pundits are in the bag and hauling water for Warren. |
And why is that, is your mind?
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| What little I saw was "meh". I still think this is too much, too soon. I know "socialism" is mostly a four-letter word in these settings, but why OH WHY aren't they portraying the version that is needed? I heard Bernie say something about it (and I didn't see all of it) but it needs to be heard to begin desensitizing the ignorant who fear the bullshit rhetoric that the fear-mongering GOP asshats have foisted on us for too long.
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| Posted: 09/13/19 3:44 pm ::: |
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| Shocking that the establishment mouthpieces are in the bag for Warren and hate Yang. |
Yes, as I think I observed earlier in this thread, it's long been obvious that most media and pundits are in the bag and hauling water for Warren. |
Which is stupid.
Neither Sanders or Warren are going to win.
They have full name recognition, and black voters have rejected them. Their only path is to prop up Castro, Harris, Booker, and Beto up enough to break up that block - that is currently giving Biden the edge.
Those two aren’t taking the edge from Biden, one of the above four might be able to, but I think they hurt each other by all being in the race.
Also..questions asking the white male candidates low hanging fruit questions about race while crucifying Harris for being a black woman in a position of power was noticeable to a lot of people. |
Do you mean Sanders/Warren aren't going to win the Democrat primary or aren't going to win against Trump? |
They aren’t going to win the primary.
Despite the higher percentage right now, those two are at around 90% name recognition, and polling lower than 10% for black voters. That’s no room to grow. Bernie has had close to three years now to fix that issue, and hasn’t. People know who Liz is, and she’s polling even worse with those voters
You can not win the nomination without that voting block (as it should be)
Historically it hasn’t been a split block. However, Castro/Harris/Booker/Beto all have potential to grab that block from Biden. This, the only path to the nomination is if those four help split the block between them, with no real leader..opening the door for Warren or Sanders.
However they have further problems with that..Warren splits voting blocks with Harris (white women) and Bern splits voters with Beto (white men)...so effectively, Warren needs Harris to help take Biden’s voters, but Harris staying around means she’s taking Warren’s voters as well. Similarly with Bernie and Beto - Bernie of course has the additional problem of splitting voters with Biden as well.
And this again assumes vote splitting happens. I’m going to argue it won’t.
A lot has been said about the new “squad” in the House..but there has been a young squad running politics since the Obama administration... Gillibrand/Castro (both of them)/Harris/Booker/Murphy. Any of those names sound familiar? 
Notice Murphy didn’t run, Gillibrand dropped out..and we have Castro taking shots at Biden so Harris and Booker don’t have to. There won’t be vote splitting because that group will sort it out amongst themselves.
So my prediction, If one of the remaining three becomes a viable option (well known and does well in Iowa)..I think they take Biden’s hold on the voting block. My guess is if that happens, the other two will drop out and help the remaining one. (IMO, Castro is almost there already)..meaning no split.
So most likely the candidate is going to come from the Booker/Harris/Castro trio..or Biden.
Only wildcard is Beto. But it’s clear the other candidates don’t view him as a threat.
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| You don't think Yang can make inroads on the black vote?
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| They really need to quit calling this plan Medicare For All. Medicare has premiums, copays, deductibles, lots of doctors who don't accept it, and tons of things it doesn't cover. Calling it Medicare For All makes people think they're going to be forced into a bad plan. |
dumb ones, yeah.
and we were reminded in 2016 that there are millions and millions of them.
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