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PostPosted: 03/26/20 11:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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He's promised to give us a vice president with the most sniffable hair.


Pence will be tough to beat in that regard



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pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
He's promised to give us a vice president with the most sniffable hair.


Pence will be tough to beat in that regard


I believe Pence is actually an android, maybe the generation before Data.

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Can we just nominate Cuomo, Clinton, or Warren?



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PostPosted: 03/26/20 3:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Translate, please, from Biden to English:

https://twitter.com/rebeinstein/status/1242982057208250368

“I’m going to, Barack, significantly increase the number of pell grants that are out there. A pell grant is a family basically less than $50,000 you’re able to get at the time, it was less than six but it raised it to $6000" . . . ???
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PostPosted: 03/26/20 4:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
Biden is NOT up to the New And Improved Challenge that now faces any candidate, with the general election only months away.

Re: Bernie's *Radical Agenda*? In light of how government is responding to our current crisis with large dollops of 'socialism', it doesn't look so weird now, does it!?


Neither is Sanders.


Yeah, NO. Sanders is far stronger, cognitively, at this point. Honestly, I just had this discussion with friends: if *I* were Joe's family, I'd pull him from the grind of this race, just like we might take 92-year-old Grandpop's car keys. The physical toll will annihilate him, imo.



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Howee wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
Biden is NOT up to the New And Improved Challenge that now faces any candidate, with the general election only months away.

Re: Bernie's *Radical Agenda*? In light of how government is responding to our current crisis with large dollops of 'socialism', it doesn't look so weird now, does it!?


Neither is Sanders.


Yeah, NO. Sanders is far stronger, cognitively, at this point. Honestly, I just had this discussion with friends: if *I* were Joe's family, I'd pull him from the grind of this race, just like we might take 92-year-old Grandpop's car keys. The physical toll will annihilate him, imo.


Actually, the virus has allowed him to stay at home and do nothing, and will probably continue to do so until the convention. He's already said he won't do any more debates with Bernie. As to the general election, I expect him to rely on ads and maybe even refuse to debate Trump. So, he may very well physically survive the grind of campaigning.

However, the physical and mental toll of the presidency would surely be too much for him.
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If Biden wins, I only see him doing one term and trying to pass the torch to his VP or quite possibly Michelle Obama if she's interested. Hell, Cuomo is making a good case at this point.



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Howee wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
Biden is NOT up to the New And Improved Challenge that now faces any candidate, with the general election only months away.

Re: Bernie's *Radical Agenda*? In light of how government is responding to our current crisis with large dollops of 'socialism', it doesn't look so weird now, does it!?


Neither is Sanders.


Yeah, NO. Sanders is far stronger, cognitively, at this point. Honestly, I just had this discussion with friends: if *I* were Joe's family, I'd pull him from the grind of this race, just like we might take 92-year-old Grandpop's car keys. The physical toll will annihilate him, imo.


Bernie haters simply can't acknowledge the obvious. They usually say "heart attack!" in a weird attempt to dismiss Biden's obvious cognitive degeneration.

As much as Biden is the worst "major" candidate the Dems could have picked from the field to face Trump, I put my hope in that the country hates POTUS so much, they literally don't care if the other choice is a cadaver.



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PostPosted: 03/26/20 7:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
Biden is NOT up to the New And Improved Challenge that now faces any candidate, with the general election only months away.

Re: Bernie's *Radical Agenda*? In light of how government is responding to our current crisis with large dollops of 'socialism', it doesn't look so weird now, does it!?


Neither is Sanders.


Yeah, NO. Sanders is far stronger, cognitively, at this point. Honestly, I just had this discussion with friends: if *I* were Joe's family, I'd pull him from the grind of this race, just like we might take 92-year-old Grandpop's car keys. The physical toll will annihilate him, imo.


and physically?

The 80 year old had a heart attack in September.

Likewise, I saw the last debate. Biden looked no worse than Sanders. Neither should be in the position to be President. (Although Sanders isn't.)

There is a lot of talk about Biden "not handling the virus well." He doesn't have a job in this. Sanders does. And yet Sanders stayed home to host virtual rallies instead of doing legislative work, up until the last moment. Sure seems like it's Sanders who isn't doing what he should be doing..

edit: Yes ct..but that's just as big of a deal than Biden saying dumb shit. Bernie doesn't look healthy. Again though, neither should be President. The fact that they ran says something negative about them both.



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PostPosted: 03/27/20 8:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
Biden is NOT up to the New And Improved Challenge that now faces any candidate, with the general election only months away.

Re: Bernie's *Radical Agenda*? In light of how government is responding to our current crisis with large dollops of 'socialism', it doesn't look so weird now, does it!?


Neither is Sanders.


Yeah, NO. Sanders is far stronger, cognitively, at this point. Honestly, I just had this discussion with friends: if *I* were Joe's family, I'd pull him from the grind of this race, just like we might take 92-year-old Grandpop's car keys. The physical toll will annihilate him, imo.


and physically?

The 80 year old had a heart attack in September.

Likewise, I saw the last debate. Biden looked no worse than Sanders. Neither should be in the position to be President. (Although Sanders isn't.)

There is a lot of talk about Biden "not handling the virus well." He doesn't have a job in this. Sanders does. And yet Sanders stayed home to host virtual rallies instead of doing legislative work, up until the last moment. Sure seems like it's Sanders who isn't doing what he should be doing..

edit: Yes ct..but that's just as big of a deal than Biden saying dumb shit. Bernie doesn't look healthy. Again though, neither should be President. The fact that they ran says something negative about them both.



Bernie had two stents inserted. Didn't have bypass surgery.

He resumed his vigorous campaign schedule. Imo, he looks no worse off than prior to having the stents inserted.

As re Biden- it's less his "dumb shit" than the obvious mental decline he's experienced. He really looks like "gramps needs to give up the car keys".

Btw, Trump is also obviously in mental decline, but in a different way than Biden.



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It was 30 days ago today:

"We've done a great job....When you have 15 (people w/ COVID-19), soon it will be down to near zero".

Current known US cases: 86,000+



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Current known US cases: 68,000+

Typo? I think you mean 86,000+

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was just about to fix it!



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cthskzfn wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
Biden is NOT up to the New And Improved Challenge that now faces any candidate, with the general election only months away.

Re: Bernie's *Radical Agenda*? In light of how government is responding to our current crisis with large dollops of 'socialism', it doesn't look so weird now, does it!?


Neither is Sanders.


Yeah, NO. Sanders is far stronger, cognitively, at this point. Honestly, I just had this discussion with friends: if *I* were Joe's family, I'd pull him from the grind of this race, just like we might take 92-year-old Grandpop's car keys. The physical toll will annihilate him, imo.


and physically?

The 80 year old had a heart attack in September.

Likewise, I saw the last debate. Biden looked no worse than Sanders. Neither should be in the position to be President. (Although Sanders isn't.)

There is a lot of talk about Biden "not handling the virus well." He doesn't have a job in this. Sanders does. And yet Sanders stayed home to host virtual rallies instead of doing legislative work, up until the last moment. Sure seems like it's Sanders who isn't doing what he should be doing..

edit: Yes ct..but that's just as big of a deal than Biden saying dumb shit. Bernie doesn't look healthy. Again though, neither should be President. The fact that they ran says something negative about them both.



Bernie had two stents inserted. Didn't have bypass surgery.

He resumed his vigorous campaign schedule. Imo, he looks no worse off than prior to having the stents inserted.

As re Biden- it's less his "dumb shit" than the obvious mental decline he's experienced. He really looks like "gramps needs to give up the car keys".

Btw, Trump is also obviously in mental decline, but in a different way than Biden.


But he didn't, he took it much lighter. Again, an 80 year old man had a heart attack....

imo, he looks frail and consistently red faced.

But again, I'm not supporting Biden in this either. He's my second to last choice.

Face to face, Biden seemed no worse than Sanders. (Yes, Sanders doesn't speak in word salad. But he says the same thing over and over again) But that isn't saying much.

And I don't quite understand why Biden couldn't have thrown his support behind one of the younger candidates, and why Bernie didn't throw his support behind Warren. Neither one of them should have run.



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Again, an 80 year old man had a heart attack..


You seem to feel a need to exaggerate (lie) about his age to make a weak point. Bernie is 78. Biden is only a year younger but clearly on the rapid mental decline. Bernie checks out fine. I’m sure he got the thorough cardio check.

mercfan3 wrote:
imo, he looks frail and consistently red faced.


He may seem a little stiff but he plays basketball. Poor excuse to dismiss somebody who dared to run against lazy Hillary in 2016 (your true motivation).

mercfan3 wrote:
But again, I'm not supporting Biden in this either. He's my second to last choice.


Not sure why it’s important for you to point this out. You’re expecting respect for this?

mercfan3 wrote:
Face to face, Biden seemed no worse than Sanders. (Yes, Sanders doesn't speak in word salad. But he says the same thing over and over again) But that isn't saying much.


Well it doesn’t seem to be sinking in.... “Healthcare is a human right.” Are recent events making that any clearer? Then keep saying it, Bernie.

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And I don't quite understand why Biden couldn't have thrown his support behind one of the younger candidates


Younger definitely isn’t better this time around. That’s why they were all getting single digit support. In 2024, that’s when younger gets way better.

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why Bernie didn't throw his support behind Warren.


Don’t you have that backwards? Why didn’t Warren support Bernie? It’s because she’s a wishy-washy fake progressive. She’s dead to the progressives now.

mercfan3 wrote:
Neither one of them should have run.


It’s clearly not about the issues for you.



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Shades wrote:
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You seem to feel a need to exaggerate (lie) about his age to make a weak point. Bernie is 78. Biden is only a year younger but clearly on the rapid mental decline. Bernie checks out fine. I’m sure he got the thorough cardio check.


78 is older than life expectancy for men. Let it sink in.

As I've repeated, I feel no differently about Biden. I just also am not delusional, and know Biden won the primary.

Also, again..I love the confidence without evidence. Sounds like supporters of another politician...

[quote="mercfan3"] imo, he looks frail and consistently red faced.

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He may seem a little stiff but he plays basketball. Poor excuse to dismiss somebody who dared to run against lazy Hillary in 2016 (your true motivation).


Nah, my dislike of Sanders goes FAR beyond what he did to Clinton and the Democratic party.

I actually feel bad for people who get played by him. Are you donating to the campaign he'll surely lose? He used those funds to buy his book last time...


Shades wrote:

Not sure why it’s important for you to point this out. You’re expecting respect for this?


Because they both suck.



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Well it doesn’t seem to be sinking in.... “Healthcare is a human right.” Are recent events making that any clearer? Then keep saying it, Bernie.


Oh good, we're at the part where we are going to give Sanders credit for policies of the Democratic Party.

Hey..guess who really brought this thought process to modern politics..




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Younger definitely isn’t better this time around. That’s why they were all getting single digit support. In 2024, that’s when younger gets way better.


Had Sanders and Biden not run, we would have gotten one of the younger candidates.

But the rule changes (brought to you by Bernie Sanders) hurt the lesser known candidates.

Sorry, not interested in another theatrical political figure. She'll be lucky if she keeps her seat.

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Don’t you have that backwards? Why didn’t Warren support Bernie? It’s because she’s a wishy-washy fake progressive. She’s dead to the progressives now.


Warren has actual political accomplishments, and a broader appeal, and she's significantly younger. Had Sanders not run, his supporters would have gone to her. She also had a few other demos in her pocket as well. Had he endorsed her from the start, campaigned with her..Biden might actually have had a legit challenger.

If Bernie really cared about his ideas becoming policies, this would have been the way to go.

And of course Sanders fans don't like her anymore. She didn't bow down to the great Bernie Sanders. They don't get to define what progressive is though. Also, AOC ought to pay attention to the way Sanders supporters are now treating Warren. Because she's next.

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Neither one of them should have run.

It’s clearly not about the issues for you.


You're right, it isn't.

On the issues, Democrats agree 99% of the time.

I care about what politicians have done, and what their plans are. Bernie has never accomplished anything, and has horrible plans.

I think Sanders is awful. His "everyone gets a pony" schtick is only slightly less annoying than his "I'm anti-establisment.." as if a white male 30 year career politician could possibly be anti-establishment. Laughing

And clearly I'm not alone, as 70% of the Democratic voters didn't approve, and his peers literally say things like "no one likes him" and "I want to make sure I'm not the reason Sanders is the nominee."



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The vitriol reserved for the one candidate whose policies would improve the lives of most of the bottom 98%, by that same 98%, is even more mind-boggling than the adoration of Trump by the low and middle classes.

The "reasoning" is just as specious.

Smh.



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cthskzfn wrote:
The vitriol reserved for the one candidate whose policies would improve the lives of most of the bottom 98%, by that same 98%, is even more mind-boggling than the adoration of Trump by the low and middle classes.

The "reasoning" is just as specious.

Smh.


This is part of the reason for the vitriol. This isn't true. It's just giving someone undue credit for the hard work of others.

He's been in politics for 30 years. If he was capable of fulfilling his ideals - he would have done something by now. He hasn't.

There are plenty of other politicians that have -

Sanders ideals aren't his issue. It's his solutions, his inability to work with others, and his narcissism that are the problem.



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mercfan3 wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
The vitriol reserved for the one candidate whose policies would improve the lives of most of the bottom 98%, by that same 98%, is even more mind-boggling than the adoration of Trump by the low and middle classes.

The "reasoning" is just as specious.

Smh.


This is part of the reason for the vitriol. This isn't true. It's just giving someone undue credit for the hard work of others.

He's been in politics for 30 years. If he was capable of fulfilling his ideals - he would have done something by now. He hasn't.

There are plenty of other politicians that have -

Sanders ideals aren't his issue. It's his solutions, his inability to work with others, and his narcissism that are the problem.



I've already linked an article that dispels the "he's done nothing" bullshit. Not wasting my time again.

Electing anyone but Trump is vital. Electing Biden gets us back to where we were, which is a place most didn't want to be, and allowed a malignant tumor like Trump a chance.



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He's been in politics for 30 years. If he was capable of fulfilling his ideals - he would have done something by now. He hasn't. problem.


Hillary has been around longer. What has she accomplished ?

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It’s a question that even, at times, has tripped up Clinton herself: During her 2014 book tour, when ABC’s Diane Sawyer asked her about her “marquee achievement,” Clinton changed the subject and she fumbled over a similar question during a women’s forum in Manhattan last year. “I see my role as secretary—in fact leadership in general in a democracy—as a relay race. You run the best race you can run, you hand off the baton. Some of what hasn’t been finished may go on to be finished,” she told Thomas Friedman.


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Sanders ideals aren't his issue. It's his solutions, his inability to work with others, and his narcissism that are the problem.


Sanders is the very last person you should be describing in this way. Sure you aren’t thinking about Trump or Biden?




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If not for the mind-boggling presence of a deadly pandemic this situation in the Democratic Party alone would be mind-boggling enough for an entire generation.

That you have a president who, after all he's said and done, should not be anything close to favored to win a second term. And everyone from never-Trumper Republicans to the entire Democratic Party to the most radical progressives all apoplectic in their zeal to end his presidency after one term. Hell they couldn't even wait one last year.

And the party ends up with this... dumpster fire... of an ancient man who is declining mentally and in terms of energy and let alone entirely moment appropriate focus and leadership as our nominee. This virus and what it's doing is unbelievable. But this is an unbelievable result as well.

I'm not going to sit here and say that any one of the former Democratic candidates would have been better than than Biden. Most of them sucked and had no business running for president. Warren was not one of those candidates. She was heads and tails better than anyone else in the field this time around. Biden was dead in the water. He sucked and there was no excitement around his candidacy, as there shouldn't have been, and that appeared to be that.

But then suddenly Biden is the presumptive nominee, Bernie is too far behind and Warren is gone. Whoever staged that Super Tuesday coup for Biden by timing those withdrawals and endorsements, as well as Amy, Pete, Beto, etc. for participating, they're going to bear some responsibility for Trump being reelected.

Regarding Bernie. It's true he's not the candidate he was four years ago. His voice is weaker and he looks older and more tired. But the Democratic Party's determination to keep him out of the White House, for reasons that should be apparent to anyone who understands who the Democratic Party really is at the top and who exactly is standing behind them writing the checks (search Twitter for David Geffen) that's what's going to cost our side the White House.

As I said a few weeks ago here, the people who run the Democratic Party would rather four more years of Donald Trump than to see Bernie Sanders in the White House. They won't admit it, but look at what they've given us as a candidate. They orchestrated this disaster instead of throwing the weight of the party behind Elizabeth Warren. If that doesn't prove what I'm saying is true than I don't know what could.



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And of course Sanders fans don't like her anymore. She didn't bow down to the great Bernie Sanders. They don't get to define what progressive is though. Also, AOC ought to pay attention to the way Sanders supporters are now treating Warren. Because she's next.


Well..I didn't expect it to happen so quickly. Laughing



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Bernie's gotta have a real talk with his Bernie Bros to get them to vote for Biden. I feel like that's how Hilary lost in 2016 with too many Bernie Bros opting not to vote instead of just voting blue.



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The reason they didn't want Bernie is that they don't believe he can win. They don't believe that when it is all said and done, with the electoral college being what it is, that someone who outright calls himself a socialist can win in the states he would need to to win the presidency.

And they aren't exactly wrong.

We had a huge field populated by candidates that could have pretty much walked away with a win. Yet we ultimately were left with the two worst possible choices. One is a terrible campaigner with the personality of a wet blanket and who has been credibly accused of sexual assault, and the other--no matter how much progressives want to pretend that their Twitter-based echo chamber is an actual representative sample of the real world; or more specifically of people who actually vote--would be dead in the water before it even began.

Our only real hope is that Biden accepts the nomination and then is told to step down due to the allegations against him and they replace him with one of the governors making a name for themselves with their competence right now.



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