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PostPosted: 01/02/19 12:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It potentially makes a difference in cases where a free agent wants to get into coaching because NBA-owned teams can say, "We can offer you X dollars a year - and - one of our six NBA assistant coach positions is also open (or will likely be opening up)". Half the league can say that, while half the league can't. In years past it would have been a non-issue, but it seems that NBA teams increasingly want to have a woman as one of their six assistants. If the free agent doesn't want to go into coaching they could offer them a position on the business side of their NBA team, like the one Sue Bird has.


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And my response is so what? Magic Johnson can offer Sparks players a chance to work in the movie theater industry. Herb Simon can offer Fever players a chance to work in real estate. Kelly Loeffler can offer Dream players a chance to work in "a regulated, global ecosystem for digital assets." There are all kinds of inequities outside of basketball that might affect the decision-making of players. As I mentioned before, big cities offer more media and endorsement opportunities. However, small markets usually have lower taxes and a lower cost of living. If we're aiming for a level playing field, then shouldn't high cost of living locations get a higher salary cap? And if we want to be really wonky and technical, do players in right-to-work states have to join the union? Can they opt out? In which case, are they still covered by the CBA and does the max salary still apply? We can play this game all day. At some point, there really is no substitute for exercising common sense and making a fair judgment.



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PostPosted: 01/02/19 4:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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At some point, there really is no substitute for exercising common sense and making a fair judgment.


If there isn't a blanket unconditional yes/no given regarding it, it should be spelled out who exercises common sense and makes a fair judgement when WNBA owner(s) offer players employment for other owned-entities. That is, separate WNBA-owner employment would be approved by the WNBA president or vote of the league owners.

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big cities offer more media and endorsement opportunities.


I wonder how this has gone in practice - do players in more populated WNBA cities get more endorsements and other outside money than those in less populated cities? Or, what kind of local endorsements do WNBA players get?


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small markets usually have lower taxes and a lower cost of living.


I believe that WNBA players have their housing expenses paid so I don't think that is a factor. But it would make sense to have all the salary rules adjusted for state tax rates. Although, I think the WNBA players may have a complicated tax situation. At least the NBA players have to pay state taxes in every state in which they play a game.




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PostPosted: 01/02/19 7:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
And my response is so what? Magic Johnson can offer Sparks players a chance to work in the movie theater industry. Herb Simon can offer Fever players a chance to work in real estate. Kelly Loeffler can offer Dream players a chance to work in "a regulated, global ecosystem for digital assets." There are all kinds of inequities outside of basketball that might affect the decision-making of players. As I mentioned before, big cities offer more media and endorsement opportunities. However, small markets usually have lower taxes and a lower cost of living. If we're aiming for a level playing field, then shouldn't high cost of living locations get a higher salary cap? And if we want to be really wonky and technical, do players in right-to-work states have to join the union? Can they opt out? In which case, are they still covered by the CBA and does the max salary still apply? We can play this game all day. At some point, there really is no substitute for exercising common sense and making a fair judgment.


There is one difference - WNBA players do have qualifications that may make them uniquely qualified to be a basketball coach or scout by virtue of playing for many years. I'm not aware that playing basketball provides any background useful for work in a regulated global ecosystem of digital assets (but then I may just be assuming they are as clueless as I am and don't even know what the hell that is.) And, if they want to work in one of Magic's movie theatres in the off-season the pay and hours aren't high enough to get excited about.

That being said, this is exactly the kind of thing the WNBA should be encouraging to keep players home in the off-season and help prepare them for life after basketball. I believe the next CBA should expand the $50k stay home bonus a lot if coupled with real off-season jobs. The CBA should codify the requirements and rules for this situation.




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PostPosted: 01/02/19 8:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I think it is so detrimental to the interests of these young women (and to the WNBA) to put such major obstacles in the way of their professional opportunities in the name of protecting a salary cap.


It's about keeping the teams on even footing. A team not affiliated with an NBA team can't make this offer, giving affiliated teams an advantage.


But you are assuming an improper offer has been made -- an offer intended to circumvent the salary cap. That's the very thing at issue, and it can't be assumed.


I'm assuming one could be made, which it can



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PostPosted: 01/02/19 1:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:

There is one difference - WNBA players do have qualifications that may make them uniquely qualified to be a basketball coach or scout by virtue of playing for many years. I'm not aware that playing basketball provides any background useful for work in a regulated global ecosystem of digital assets (but then I may just be assuming they are as clueless as I am and don't even know what the hell that is.)

You haven't lived until you've experienced regulating a global ecosystem of digital assets.

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And, if they want to work in one of Magic's movie theatres in the off-season the pay and hours aren't high enough to get excited about.

I was alluding to management opportunities -- not manning the ticket booth or candy counter.



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PostPosted: 02/04/19 3:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Mystics looking like:

PG: Cloud/#34 pick?
SG: Toliver/Walker-Kimbrough
SF: Atkins/Powers/Mestdagh
F: Delle Donne/Messeeman/Hines-Allen
C: Sanders/#10 pick



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PostPosted: 02/04/19 3:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Meeseman at Belgium camp?


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PostPosted: 02/04/19 4:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Meeseman at Belgium camp?


Dont worry. Meesseman will play. Mystics also gave a training camp invite to another belgium player Kim Mestdagh. She is the daughter of the coach of the Belgium national team. So he will support their players to play in the wnba



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PostPosted: 02/04/19 4:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Mestdagh went to Colorado State, and ended up the 4th all time CSU career scorer. She went undrafted in 2012.




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