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| Who's best after A'ja? |
| 2 - Kelsey Mitchell |
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| 3 - Diamond DeShields |
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| 4 - Gabby Williams |
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| 5 - Jordin Canada |
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| 6 - Azura Stevens |
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| 7 - Ariel Atkins |
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| 8 - Victoria Viviens |
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| 10 - Kia Nurse |
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| Other (Please Explain) |
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PickledGinger
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 Posted: 09/05/18 3:05 am ::: Second Best Rookie |
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| In terms of who you think will have the best career.
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sigur3
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| Posted: 09/05/18 2:31 pm ::: |
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| Diamond will have the best career. Atkins was the second-best rookie this season though.
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WNBA 09
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calbearman76
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| Posted: 09/05/18 3:35 pm ::: |
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| Diamond will have the best career. Atkins was the second-best rookie this season though. |
Agree.
Atkins was playing on a team with EDD so naturally her chances would be less than Deshields. I doubt seriously that Deshields would have been as good on the Mystics as Atkins. (I grant that Atkins would not have had as much of an impact on the Sky.) Both are fine defenders, but I believe Atkins is more consistent. Both should have very good careers.
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Richyyy
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| Posted: 09/05/18 4:04 pm ::: |
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| Ariel Atkins has the potential to have success in the WNBA like Tamika Catchings had in the WNBA. |
Bwahahahaha. |
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SportsGuru
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| Posted: 09/05/18 4:10 pm ::: |
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| Ariel Atkins has the potential to have success in the WNBA like Tamika Catchings had in the WNBA. |
Bwahahahaha. |
I did say potential.
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Richyyy
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| Posted: 09/05/18 4:17 pm ::: |
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Atkins has the potential to be very, very good. Catchings is in the argument for greatest to ever play the game. Players who end up anywhere near that conversation are rarely so - relatively speaking - ordinary in their rookie seasons. At least after four years developing in college - might be a little different for an 18-year old foreign kid.
Let's be happy about how good Atkins is and could be, without making crazy comparisons. |
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WNBA 09
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| Posted: 09/05/18 4:34 pm ::: |
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| People forget Diamond shut down Maya and Angel . Do we think Atkins could have done the same ? Atkins making 2nd team over Diamond means 0 because Obviously Diamond should have made that squad and possibly 1st team all defense. I do think Atkins was a better pick up than Kelsey Mitchell , but people seem to be persuaded by the now rather than the full body. To each's own though , Diamond was the 2nd best rookie all season long for me , wont change. Love Atkins as well , makes us Dallas folk proud !
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sigur3
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SportsGuru
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| Posted: 09/05/18 4:49 pm ::: |
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| Richyyy wrote: |
Atkins has the potential to be very, very good. Catchings is in the argument for greatest to ever play the game. Players who end up anywhere near that conversation are rarely so - relatively speaking - ordinary in their rookie seasons. At least after four years developing in college - might be a little different for an 18-year old foreign kid.
Let's be happy about how good Atkins is and could be, without making crazy comparisons. |
Potential is the word I used for Ariel Atkins, if you want to make it something else it's your right. By the way, I like Tamika Catchings but the greatest ever, no way.
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FrozenLVFan
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| Posted: 09/05/18 6:55 pm ::: |
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This is like arguing how many angels there are on the head of a pin.
There is A'ja. And then there is everyone else, without a close second.
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readyAIMfire53
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| Posted: 09/05/18 8:12 pm ::: |
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| Richyyy wrote: |
Atkins has the potential to be very, very good. Catchings is in the argument for greatest to ever play the game. Players who end up anywhere near that conversation are rarely so - relatively speaking - ordinary in their rookie seasons. At least after four years developing in college - might be a little different for an 18-year old foreign kid.
Let's be happy about how good Atkins is and could be, without making crazy comparisons. |
Agree completely. I speak as one who was shocked when Coach T picked Ariel so high. I'm happily spitting out feathers right now. I also speak as one who stopped my allegiance for the Charlotte Sting when they picked Kelly Miller over Catch. It just defined stupidity. Charlotte didn't last much longer while Catch is most def in the conversation of top 5 WNBA players. Ariel Atkins had a very good rookie season and is having a great post season - among the best ever for a rookie. These two are apples and oranges.
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Aladyyn
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| Posted: 09/05/18 11:26 pm ::: |
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| WNBA 09 wrote: |
| People forget Diamond shut down Maya and Angel . Do we think Atkins could have done the same ? Atkins making 2nd team over Diamond means 0 because Obviously Diamond should have made that squad and possibly 1st team all defense. I do think Atkins was a better pick up than Kelsey Mitchell , but people seem to be persuaded by the now rather than the full body. To each's own though , Diamond was the 2nd best rookie all season long for me , wont change. Love Atkins as well , makes us Dallas folk proud ! |
Since when should players on the worst defensive team in the league make an All-Defense team?
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zune69
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| Posted: 09/06/18 2:25 am ::: |
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Should A.Wilson not make the All-WNBA team because LV missed the playoffs?....I thought the All-defensive team was an individual award.Hard for a team to have a good defense when the starting center shows up to training camp out of shape and the starting PF is only 6'0 tall.
I have no problem with Atkins making the All-defensive team. However, I'd give DD the edge over Atkins when it comes to who had the better rookie season. Diamond was just as good on defense and avg twice as many rebounds. Diamond didn't have the luxury of playing with a top 3-5 player. Chicago counted on Diamond to be a primary offensive option during crunch time while Atkins was able to eat off the double teams of EDD. Teams game planned for DD and she still managed to shoot almost the same percentages at Atkins...Diamond has the higher upside. But that won't mean squat if Chicago doesn't get their house in order...If DD avg 17p/5r/3a over the next 10 years and make the playoffs 4 times while Atkins avg 14/3r/3a and wins 3 Championships....fair or not...Atkins had the better career.....I hope Chicago hires the right HC/GM.
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Aladyyn
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| Posted: 09/06/18 2:46 am ::: |
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| That's kind of weird that having an undersized PF means so much on defense but doesn't affect rebounding at all.
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zune69
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| Posted: 09/06/18 6:58 am ::: |
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Gabby being a poor rebounder for a PF has nothing to do with Diamond's rebounding ability/stats...DD has always been a good rebounder:
Rebounds per game:
2014/UNC-5.5
2016/Tenn-5.2
2017/Tenn-6.4
Cukurova-5.8
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Force10rulz
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| Posted: 09/08/18 2:07 pm ::: |
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| I don”t think Jordin should even be listed at this point, she has potential tho. I think if she can get Sue for a couple more years she’ll be solid. But I’m actually hoping we will still be in the hunt for a new pg.
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| Posted: 09/08/18 2:42 pm ::: |
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I voted Other, because (imho) it's too soon to tell.
2nd reason, it's clear Vadeeva has the goods and she's just a "sophomore". However who knows how far up she'll go and how often she'll get over to the W.
But yeah it's a very strong class.
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You just make it obvious now, at least you -tried- to hide it before