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https://highposthoops.com/2019/04/15/exclusive-dallas-wings-president-greg-bibb-updates-liz-cambage-talks/

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[myrtle]

At what point does Cambage realize that LA is not willing to give up any essential part of the team for her? Does that make her less excited about playing in LA? More open to Vegas for instance? I doubt she is stupid so it seems like she would draw this conclusion at some point. Or is LA quietly patting her on the back and telling her to just hold on because they really really want her in spite of appearances and eventually something will happen?

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[willtalk]

It would seem to me that any smart player would work to make sure that the team they are going to gets the better of any deal. Recently there are more cases of players going out of their way to decrease their trade value. When a player like Cambage states that they will only play for LA that certainly decreases their trade value and helps whichever team she is traded too. This makes the team she ends up with stronger.

Cambage has sat out entire seasons before so her threat to sit out carries a lot more weight. I suspect they might get something done before the trade deadline. Cambage has all the leverage and works for LA as well.

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[Richyyy]

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[root_thing]

The inconvenient truth for LA fans is that Brian Agler is now the Dallas coach. He knows the LA personnel better than anyone. Agler is not a fool and I doubt he is weak-willed. I'm sure Brian understands that handing over Liz to the Sparks so that they have a big four of Cambage, Parker, Nneka, and Gray could create a super team that dominates the league for years to come. I believe he'll convince Bibb that it's better to just force Cambage to sit out. We saw what the "get what you can" attitude got Chicago in the Fowles deal. All they did was extend Minnesota's dynasty and make it harder on themselves. Far from being a model for this trade, it should be a cautionary tale.

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[WNBA 09]

Imagine the technical foul count between Cabbage & Candace

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[myrtle]

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I am sure no team in the league wants those four on the same team. It would create a simi dynasty for as long as Cambage wanted to play - which with her is always a question mark. Also Parker will not play much longer. Dallas has to decide how soon without Cambage it will take them to become contenders again and if it is worth it to them get nothing.

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[toad455]

I think it's been pretty much agreed on that Dallas will be a lottery team this season without Diggins & Cambage if a trade doesn't happen.

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[PUmatty]

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Seems like everyone here is responding to what they would want to happen rather than what might. The thing is can Dallas afford to tank this season on purpose and lose the probable revenue that would result from such a tank. Now I really do not know who owns the Wings and if they are willing to take a financial hit for at least one season to assure that La does not win two NBA championships. Min even with Foles did eventually collapse in a few years. It's not like they established a long term dynasty. That is the question? Is the Dallas franchise willing to take that financial hit to keep LA from getting a few championships in a row?

Are some of you looking at things with "fan eyes? and ignoring financial expediency? It's not like WNBA franchises are economically solvent enough that they can afford to lose a year of fan support that fielding a dismal team would result in. What eventually transpires will depend basically this main factor.

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[toad455]

The Dallas tank for 2020 is a possibility. But let's be real in saying that Indiana and New York are highly more likely to get the #1 pick next year. Dallas could land the #3 pick more than likely. That could give them Cox or Mompremier.

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[ClayK]

Cambage, we can say, has proven to be unreliable in some ways, which hasn't made her popular, but setting aside folks' feelings about Cambage, this is an interesting issue for the WNBA.

On the one hand, we have a talented player who wants to control where she works, just like any other employee. For example, if you were an accountant in Dallas and wanted to live in Southern California, you could very likely make that happen. You might have to scuffle for a while, but eventually you'd find a job that would allow you to live where you wanted.

I have difficulty objecting to an athlete trying to live where she wants to live, and using what limited leverage she has to do so. (If Cambage were just another WNBA player -- Theresa Plaisance, say -- this whole discussion is moot, as Plaisance has no leverage at all.)

On the other, Cambage's desire to play for L.A. would not only impact her employer now, but also the entire industry, as her presence would shift the balance of power much as Kevin Durant's decision impacted the NBA. (Of course, the WNBA is much more fragile than the NBA, but even the NBA has considered changing the rules to prevent a move like Durant's.)

From the Dallas point of view, it would make sense to get something, anything, for Cambage, as even someone who plays 10 minutes a game is better than someone who plays no minutes a game, but there is that competitive disadvantage aspect.

From the owners' point of view, Dallas should stand firm, as it doesn't help the league when stars dictate where they will play. That usually means one franchise loses a key attraction and gains little in return, which affects the stability of the league -- and also affects the owners' ability to control their players freedom of movement.

My guess is -- yes, Shades, it's a guess -- that since Dallas isn't really a championship contender with Cambage, they will let her sit rather than give in to her demands. This will make the owners happy, and those fans who dislike players' ability to make decisions about their own future (and there are many -- just look at college fans who want transfers to sit out a year) happy as well. It makes Cambage unhappy, and some Dallas fans who would like their team to win more games, but on balance, I think the owners and player-unfriendly fans carry more weight, or at least enough weight to leave Cambage on an Australian beach this summer.

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[root_thing]

If LA's current offer is actually Vadeeva and next year's 1st Round pick, how will that package make a difference in Dallas' fortunes this year? Is Vadeeva going to win them significantly more games -- the same player who got 8 mpg from Agler in LA? Is Vadeeva a huge box office attraction who is going to sell a lot of tickets in Dallas? Even if the Wings can trade her, whoever they get back is not going to move the needle. As for that 1st Round pick, it will probably be #12 in a weak draft. Players like that are often out of the league before their rookie contract ends. As far as I can see, Dallas is not sacrificing much by not taking the reported offer -- just a couple of rolls of the dice. Meanwhile, the competitive disadvantage they'll create by making LA stronger is a near certainty.

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[Richyyy]

Yeah, we keep essentially saying it - the trade doesn't make sense for Dallas unless they get Nneka or Gray, and it doesn't make sense for LA unless they can do it without giving up Nneka or Gray. That's an impasse.

This:

[canadaball]

From the outside, I wrote about this triangle (Dallas, Vegas, LA, with Cam in middle) weeks ago, and nothing has changed. Note that Cam's agent (Allison Galer) is very closely linked to the Sparks, Magic Johnson, and the Lakers: .http://www.espn.com/espnw/voices/article/24211181/allison-galer-cool-job-wnba-agent-founder-disrupt-game-agency It is obvious that Mr. Bill has made an offer far richer than anything LA can make; in addition, mention of the necessity of a three way deal confirms that Agler wants absolutely no part of Lavender, who must be unloaded by LA to fit Cam's salary under cap.
I don't understand how the Dallas position is weaker post draft. The article states that LA's offer was Valdeeva, their 2019 and 2020 first round picks. Val is a promising young Russian, but, with her national team commitments, no guarantee how often she will show up in Dallas. She is the star of a Russian national team that has suffered humiliation in last few years, including no appearances in the Olympics and World Cup. Consider also that she plays for Ekat, and might be making a million a year overseas. A young foreign player might be excited by playing in Hollywood for peanuts, but not so sure she would go for Dallas in the summer (let's see...off day in LA, beach and surfing; Dallas ????). Should Cam go to LA, any future #1 picks would be at bottom of first round, thus borderline useless. LA did take Brown with their #7 pick, but, unless Dallas wants her (remember they passed on her at #5 to take Arike), I do not see how post draft changed anything.
If Cam insists on LA, Dallas can reject the LA offer b/c it is very weak, when compared to the riches LV must be offering. A trade with LA (unloading Lavender for Cam is huge) helps a rival for years to come, with a good chance Dallas ends up with nada. Agler also must know that the current LA roster is not formidable. The Sparks are very thin at guard (they are very dependent upon Sims, who was bad last year), and have only one reliable outside shooter (Gray).

[Fishhappy]

IMO unless the wings get Brown and Gray for Liz the wings are still going to be a lottery team. Without Skylar they don't have the guard play to compete. Even if Enrike has a rookie of the year type season she is not a point guard. historically even the great point guards have taken several years to reach there potential. Bird , Wayland , Diggins ,Sloot and Gray all took time to get to be top tier point guards in the W.

[ClayK]

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