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Richyyy
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| There are also a bunch of players on that list that are just utterly cuttable. |
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| Posted: 04/11/19 2:25 pm ::: |
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| Anyone have a good idea when Sky's due date is, or whether she may be back and play the latter part of the season? |
She announced in mid-October. You gotta figure she was at least a couple of months by then. That puts her due date in mid-May at the latest.
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| Posted: 04/11/19 2:34 pm ::: |
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| There are also a bunch of players on that list that are just utterly cuttable. |
yeah Bone seems like the most obvious but I wonder if she is guaranteed, they just signed Hamby as a RFA, Coffey and Nared both seems to be in the slowly improving category, and they are thin a SG Park is a project started last season, he won't know what Harrison brings until working with her. Yes some are cuttable but I am not sure who?
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| Posted: 04/12/19 8:12 am ::: |
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| Shades wrote: |
To me it’s not very intuitive to think the league would punish a team for its players getting pregnant.
The Washington fans should be very familiar how this is handled.
Didn’t Connecticut go with 12 players last season?
Banham
Brown
Bentley/Clarendon
BJones
JJones
Laney
Ogwumike
Stricken
AThomas
JThomas
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You could be right. Like I said, I couldn't find any information about roster spots or salary cap when it comes to pregnancy. Since this is a disability issue, I was just following what happens with injuries. If a player gets paid, then she has to be on the roster (except for termination settlements). If you want to bring her back during the season, then her contract hits the salary cap. Obviously, the league can carve out an exception for maternity leave if they so desire.
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| Posted: 04/12/19 5:00 pm ::: |
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With LV already a little over loaded Dallas could just wait for Allen to hi the waiver wire or see If Laimbeer who has two too many players would trade Jefferson for a 2nd round pick in 2020. That is below value, but ATM the aces have 13
Plum/Jefferson
McBride/Nared
Young/Young/Coffey
Wilson/Harrison/Hamby
Swords/Bone/Park
and that doesn't include Allen, someone has to go, trading Jeffeson for future consideration allows LV to use Jackie Young at the SF spot and back up PG spot I would think LV would want to get their #1 pick some minutes |
Jefferson is coming off injuries and is finally getting healthy. She is also still on her rookie deal.
Trading her for a second round pick is pretty below market. Let her play a few games in 2019 to get her value back up and then see what a package including her could look like.
In the alternative, Vegas could keep both Plum/Jefferson as PGs. Not like there are very many players who have averaged at least 4.0 assists per game for a season in their careers (which both Plum and Jefferson have done).
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| Posted: 04/12/19 9:22 pm ::: |
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Coffey-Rodgers trade. Things look a little different for the Aces now.
PG: Plum/Jefferson/Chong
SG: McBride/Rodgers/Nared/Harden
SF: JYoung/TYoung
PF: Wilson/Harrison/Hamby
C: Swords/Bone/Park/Hamblin
Cuts will likely be: Chong, Hamblin, Nared and another post(via trade).
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| Posted: 04/14/19 7:37 pm ::: |
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WNBA 09,
I think she would be a great choice to invite to training camp! Is there a limit to how many players can be invited to any teams camp?
I felt there would have been more moves at this point by Greg/Brian, what's your opinion or am I overreacting????
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| Posted: 04/15/19 6:22 pm ::: |
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LA offered their No. 1 pick and Vadeeva, before the draft. That seems more than table scraps but less than a meal. More like lunch off of the dollar menu. Now that LA has Brown it might taste better, but LA apparently has lowered ifs offer. Perhaps Liz needs to be told that LA doesn't really seem to want her very much.
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zune69
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Nah, F**k that...Cambage can keep her ass at the Coachella. There are multiple teams presumably offering better packages than the Sparks and Liz is refusing to accept a trade to those teams, which means Dallas is going to get short-changed. If Liz thinks she can just walk her ass up into the Dallas Lockerroom as if she never demanded a trade, she's really delusional.....Liz can stay in California or go back to Australia, but I don't want her anywhere near the Dallas Wings.
I'm just gonna go head and assume that the 3rd team is Chicago.
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| Posted: 04/15/19 7:44 pm ::: |
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| The Sparks have three centers now and they probably don’t want to start any of them. They might be putting themselves in a bind.
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| Posted: 04/15/19 7:45 pm ::: |
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It is an interesting game of chicken.
LA is low balling, and now that they know Liz won't go anywhere else they are lowering their offer (as it sounded like Vadeeva was going to be sent to a 3rd time for something else it would be interesting to know what the other piece the Wings were going to get was).
Bibb is sticking to his guns which I think is the right move. LA has to decide whether they want to go big or stay the course. I still think LA should try and deal for Cambage. Liz hanging out with Parker was not a mistake I am sure Parker wants to play with Cambage. And staying the course means bringing back a team that came in 6th with a better coach last season. Maybe LA feels the Stewart injury opens a door for them, but adding Cambage to Parker and C. Gray just seems like the right move to go over the top. I am still sure Dallas wants Ogwumike, (who at the moment is the starting Center in LA so even though she might not be a center if she can play it part time in LA she can play it part time in Dallas).
Now I believe for Dallas to get Ogwumike in return for Cambage thee game of Chicken might lead to Dallas having to include another piece. There was some hint from Bibb thet he drafted Ogunbowale to pair with Diggins but was also considering drafting for possible trades. LA even after they get Gray back in the fold will need another guard. Arike just seems like the perfect fit for the Sparks and is on a rookie scale contract. So in my imagination the new trade ends up being
Cambage and Ogunbowale for N. Ogwumike (Yes I know why would LA do that etc, but if they want to get to the next level IMO it is wiser to pay for Camabge than to stay the same and the game in chicken lands them another great asset for the future even if Cambage flakes out, and Dallas gets an all-star which they weren't going to get otherwise based on the problematic situation of a flaky but great player demanding a trade to a single destination.
Diggins-Smith/Davis or Seekamp (ok have to come up with a solution for the pg spot)
Gray/Hill/Burke
Stevens/Thorton
Johnson/Gustafson/George
N. Ogwumike/Plaisance
Still looks like a playoff team especially with a healthy Diggins-Smith and Agler at the helm
Gray/Goodwin/Mabrey
Sims/Ogunbowale
Beard/Weise
Parker/Lavender
Cambage/Vadeeva/Brown
basically looks like a championship contending team when the rotation is shortened to the starters Ogunbowale, Lavender and Vadeeva
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| Posted: 04/15/19 7:57 pm ::: |
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| Let her sit. LA thinks waiting is gonna pressure the Wings; I think it pressures LA. This is especially true if the season with a new coach starts out bumpy. Your All-Everything superstar wants another ring before hanging it up. The heat will be on! Of course, the cynic side of me says that the W organization has always cooked things for LA, so they will likely have a bunch of cupcakes scheduled at the beginning of the season with the fewest number of back-to-back games, but one can hope. I usually pull for Parker and Co. when not playing my Wings, but for now: beat LA!
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| Posted: 04/15/19 8:13 pm ::: |
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Why would Dallas give up Cambage & Ogunbowale for Ogwumike?.....And I don't want to hear this BS about "We don't know if Liz is going to show up"....Cambage is clearly committed to the Sparks. She just signed a sponsorship deal with Adidas(Candace is also with Adidas)....Unless LA is throwing is K.Brown + a future 1st rd pk...No deal.
Dallas should just go head and suspend Liz for the season...If the CBA allows it.
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| Posted: 04/15/19 8:33 pm ::: |
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| zune69 wrote: |
| Why would Dallas give up Cambage & Ogunbowale for Ogwumike?.....And I don't want to hear this BS about "We don't know if Liz is going to show up"....Cambage is clearly committed to the Sparks. She just signed a sponsorship deal with Adidas(Candace is also with Adidas)....Unless LA is throwing is K.Brown + a future 1st rd pk...No deal. |
and that's what you get. no deal. no problem. I really don't think LA is desperate for Cambage...or a deal would have been made.
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| Posted: 04/15/19 8:35 pm ::: |
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zune69,
AMEN, was beginning to think I was the only one who felt this way!!!
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| Posted: 04/15/19 8:39 pm ::: |
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| Such a hard deal to make for a lot of reasons. If Stewart is out for the season LA is now a contender without Liz. Probably it would be LA, DC and the Mercury at the top. LA just might not want to mess with their chemistry by adding Liz to the mix and giving up someone good. So I just question if they really want Liz. I think they would probably only give up enough so it was a no regrets kind of deal. Just because Liz has wanted to play in LA for many years now, doesn't mean that she will feel the same way a month into the season. And they may have noticed that drama seems to be as close to Liz as her shadow. Maybe they don't want all the drama, or another superstar taking attention off of their other 3.
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| Posted: 04/15/19 8:48 pm ::: |
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J-Spoon,
If Greg makes this trade, he should be fired immediately....Liz & Arike for Neka, are you serious!!!
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| Posted: 04/15/19 8:56 pm ::: |
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| LA would be a bigger favorite with Cambage, Parker and Gray. The other contenders with the exception of Phoenix have nobody who can match up with Cambage.
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| Posted: 04/15/19 9:25 pm ::: |
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J-Spoon,
If Greg makes this trade, he should be fired immediately....Liz & Arike for Neka, are you serious!!! |
I am serious
And I am neither an LA or Dallas fan
I want to see Liz in the league and I want to see Dallas not screwed over. (More than they already have been by the situation).
Throwing in a first round pick who has never played with your team to get a certified all-star and former MVP with local ties in N. Ogwumike is going to be better for Dallas than letting Liz sit and getting nothing in return.
I totally understand the frustration Dallas fans are feeling. I also understand the screw her let her sit thought process, and feeling like if we did trade a top 5 player (as I believe Cambage was a top 5 player last year and will be again this year) we should get something great in return. But the circumstances aren't in Dallas' favor. The GM has to do what is best for the team, sitting a disgruntled star might seem like the right way to go, but most GMs want wins and ticket sales which go hand and hand. Star players can provide those things. Dallas sitting Liz with Diggins-Smith missing most of the season means the team is going to be lead by Johnson, Stevens and A. Gray. That team is going to struggle to win and doesn't have a lot of star appeal, maybe Arike can add some excitement, but putting a real star on the team like N. Ogwumike will lead to more wins and probably more ticket sales so I would think most GMs would want to move in that direction.
Yes Dallas can build around Arike, Skylar and a probable lottery pick in 2020 but that isn't going to sell tickets in 2019. Not saying Dallas is destined to struggle but if you have a young team without stars and midway through the season you are clearly not a playoff team sales and attendance will plummet.
The Deal on the table ATM is Vadeeva and first round pick in 2020 that isn't getting wins or star appeal, so if adding Ogunbowale can move the needle I do it. Just as if I am LA I am willing to give more for Cambage than they are willing to give right now. All off season I have been saying Cambage for Ogwumike seems like the right trade if Dallas can get it done great, but it doesn't sound like LA is anywhere near that deal at the moment. And of course if Dallas can get LA to thrown in K. Brown than awesome Cambage and Ogunbowale for Ogwumike and Brown sounds more balanced if I'm Dallas but I do the trade without Brown. I'd rather have Ogwumike and lose Arike than not get Ogwumike and let Cambage sit.
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| Posted: 04/15/19 10:27 pm ::: |
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| Im gonna troll her Dm's on instagram tonight just bc shes a spoiled piece of cabbage !
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| Posted: 04/16/19 1:57 am ::: |
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| She shows up after years of not playing, the team wins fewer games with her than they did the previous year without her and then she immediately demands a trade lol. I hope the Wings don't let themselves get bullied into a bad trade. They're probably not going to be good unless they get Gray or Nneka anyways, what's the rush?
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