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PostPosted: 01/24/19 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I recall Sims being very happy to be traded to the Sparks, even though she’s a Dallas native. So Sims returning to Dallas hinges on whatever made her unhappy to be at the Wings. If she had chemistry problems with Fred Williams and that was the sole reason she was happy to leave, then she’d be a great candidate to return to Dallas. If she had chemistry problems with Diggins or other important team members, then you risk having them upset with Sims returning. Does Dallas want to risk losing any other key players? The dumpster fire is already big enough with Cambage leaving. So does anybody know the real reason Sims was happy to join the Sparks? Don’t give me a “rumor has it”.



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://twitter.com/RachGall/status/1088479599703482368

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Sources have confirmed that LA, Vegas, and New York are the teams currently involved in trade discussions with Dallas for Liz Cambage. A potential third team could be involved to make the trade work. #WNBAinsidr



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 12:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
I recall Sims being very happy to be traded to the Sparks, even though she’s a Dallas native. So Sims returning to Dallas hinges on whatever made her unhappy to be at the Wings. If she had chemistry problems with Fred Williams and that was the sole reason she was happy to leave, then she’d be a great candidate to return to Dallas. If she had chemistry problems with Diggins or other important team members, then you risk having them upset with Sims returning. Does Dallas want to risk losing any other key players? The dumpster fire is already big enough with Cambage leaving. So does anybody know the real reason Sims was happy to join the Sparks? Don’t give me a “rumor has it”.


Shades you are asking a lot Laughing


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PostPosted: 01/24/19 12:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
https://twitter.com/RachGall/status/1088479599703482368

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Sources have confirmed that LA, Vegas, and New York are the teams currently involved in trade discussions with Dallas for Liz Cambage. A potential third team could be involved to make the trade work. #WNBAinsidr

Followed 28 minutes later by: https://twitter.com/DougFeinberg/status/1088487026872197125
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I wasn’t an Econ major but creating appearance of sellers market is always a good thing when you’re trying to sell something.



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 12:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ogwumike + Sims + #5 to Minnesota
Moore + #20 to Dallas
Cambage + #18 to Los Angeles


I’m afraid Ogwumike might be replaced by Lavender in the above equation and that might be good enough for the not-so-good GM Reeve. Confused



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 12:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah lets just say IMO I doubt Sims would go back to Dallas but anywhere else maybe. For those players who are not playing overseas a max contract may be very tempting.


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PostPosted: 01/24/19 12:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Ogwumike + Sims + #5 to Minnesota
Moore + #20 to Dallas
Cambage + #17 to Los Angeles


I’m afraid Ogwumike might be replaced by Lavender in the above equation and that might be good enough with not-so-good GM Reeeve. Confused


Why does Maya have to go to every WNBA team except the Lynx? Can't we just get rid of Reeve instead? except the state of Minnesota has low standards, so maybe that's why Maya wants out. Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: 01/24/19 1:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maya probably isn’t a viable trade piece until her situation is clarified.
What exactly does she want? If she just wants to take the season WNBA season off, and then the new CBA gets rid of coring entirely, then her rights are worthless. I have a feeling the Lynx will be voting against any CBA that completely removes coring. Reduce coring to two seasons, and Maya is still worth a gold mine.



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 1:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SpaceJunkie wrote:
Shades wrote:
Ogwumike + Sims + #5 to Minnesota
Moore + #20 to Dallas
Cambage + #17 to Los Angeles


I’m afraid Ogwumike might be replaced by Lavender in the above equation and that might be good enough with not-so-good GM Reeeve. Confused


Why does Maya have to go to every WNBA team except the Lynx? Can't we just get rid of Reeve instead? except the state of Minnesota has low standards, so maybe that's why Maya wants out. Crying or Very sad


She probably wants to go to a team where the fans don't badmouth championship coaches



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 1:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
pilight wrote:
https://twitter.com/RachGall/status/1088479599703482368

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Sources have confirmed that LA, Vegas, and New York are the teams currently involved in trade discussions with Dallas for Liz Cambage. A potential third team could be involved to make the trade work. #WNBAinsidr

Followed 28 minutes later by: https://twitter.com/DougFeinberg/status/1088487026872197125
Quote:
I wasn’t an Econ major but creating appearance of sellers market is always a good thing when you’re trying to sell something.


I don't see her going to New York for the simple fact she won't be happy playing in Westchester. Three team trades make things interesting. Still needs to involve a PG.



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 1:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
Shades wrote:
Ogwumike + Sims + #5 to Minnesota
Moore + #20 to Dallas
Cambage + #17 to Los Angeles


I’m afraid Ogwumike might be replaced by Lavender in the above equation and that might be good enough with not-so-good GM Reeve. Confused


Why does Maya have to go to every WNBA team except the Lynx? Can't we just get rid of Reeve instead? except the state of Minnesota has low standards, so maybe that's why Maya wants out. Crying or Very sad


She probably wants to go to a team where the fans don't badmouth championship coaches



Maya doesn’t read this board.
Nobody ever badmouthed Cooper?



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 1:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
Shades wrote:
Ogwumike + Sims + #5 to Minnesota
Moore + #20 to Dallas
Cambage + #17 to Los Angeles


I’m afraid Ogwumike might be replaced by Lavender in the above equation and that might be good enough with not-so-good GM Reeve. Confused


Why does Maya have to go to every WNBA team except the Lynx? Can't we just get rid of Reeve instead? except the state of Minnesota has low standards, so maybe that's why Maya wants out. Crying or Very sad


She probably wants to go to a team where the fans don't badmouth championship coaches



Maya doesn’t read this board.
Nobody ever badmouthed Cooper?


Cooper didn't win championships for us



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 1:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
Shades wrote:
Ogwumike + Sims + #5 to Minnesota
Moore + #20 to Dallas
Cambage + #17 to Los Angeles


I’m afraid Ogwumike might be replaced by Lavender in the above equation and that might be good enough with not-so-good GM Reeve. Confused


Why does Maya have to go to every WNBA team except the Lynx? Can't we just get rid of Reeve instead? except the state of Minnesota has low standards, so maybe that's why Maya wants out. Crying or Very sad


She probably wants to go to a team where the fans don't badmouth championship coaches



Maya doesn’t read this board.
Nobody ever badmouthed Cooper?


Cooper didn't win championships for us


He’s still a championship coach.

Anyway, Junkie most likely isn’t talking about Reeve the coach. It’s Reeve the GM that’s under scrutiny. Is it possible for one to leave without the other? I don’t think you’d find too many Lynx fans who would be against splitting the job up again, but a green WNBA GM would probably be just as bad as Reeve. Jim Pete, come back as the Lynx GM, please! Save us from these Reeve bad decisions.

Reeve as a coach is kind of debatable. She didn’t mess up enough that a team with Maya and a good supporting cast couldn’t win less than half the championships in the last 8 years. But if the Lynx could trade Reeve for Collen, I wouldn’t be a bit nervous or unhappy. How about you? You just count the number of championships, right?



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 2:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
Liz Cambage’s trade request is the free agency drama the WNBA needs

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WNBA free agency tends to be stale because teams have CBA perks to keep superstars home. But Cambage’s request is lighting its own fire.


Interesting article. Thank you for sharing.


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PostPosted: 01/24/19 3:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Maya probably isn’t a viable trade piece until her situation is clarified.
What exactly does she want? If she just wants to take the season WNBA season off, and then the new CBA gets rid of coring entirely, then her rights are worthless. I have a feeling the Lynx will be voting against any CBA that completely removes coring. Reduce coring to two seasons, and Maya is still worth a gold mine.


Maya must be apart !



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 3:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades,

I know you're gonna think I'm crazy, but I honestly don't think we are going to the "bottom dwellers" who are terrible to root for as everyone is making it out to be. In fact, I will go out on a limb and claim we will actually be BETTER without Liz than with her, once all the moves have been finalized, and the draft has concluded, I whole heartedly believe this!!!

When the season starts and it all works out for us, just remember I said it would be so...😁😁😁


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DFWub2018 wrote:
In fact, I will go out on a limb and claim we will actually be BETTER without Liz than with her, once all the moves have been finalized, and the draft has concluded, I whole heartedly believe this!!


Then why are you disliking my trade ideas? As long as Cambage is gone, you should be happy. Cambage for Wiese, Samuelson, and #31 should even make you happy. Wink



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 4:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

DFWub2018 wrote:
Shades,

I know you're gonna think I'm crazy, but I honestly don't think we are going to the "bottom dwellers" who are terrible to root for as everyone is making it out to be. In fact, I will go out on a limb and claim we will actually be BETTER without Liz than with her, once all the moves have been finalized, and the draft has concluded, I whole heartedly believe this!!!

When the season starts and it all works out for us, just remember I said it would be so...😁😁😁


Remember that Diggins will be out at least part of the season and likely won't be 100% for any of it. This will be a transition year for Dallas.



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 4:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
This will be a transition year for Dallas.


Transition from marginal playoff team to lottery team?



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 4:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
This will be a transition year for Dallas.


Transition from marginal playoff team to lottery team?


Same transition Minny will likely endure ...



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 5:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Dallas could use a PG. Diggins can go to SG when she returns.

Chelsea Gray (Sparks would still have Sims)
Lavender (Nice salary dump for Sparks)
First round in 2020 (Likely a low pick)
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= Cambage


Sims/Wiese
Beard/Williams
Parker/Carson/Samuelson
Ogwumike/(#7 Anigwe)
Cambage/Vadeeva

#19, #31

New coach with Cambage they go big.
Ogwumike and Parker can flow between forward positions.
Use #19 to pick up what could be a viable PG.
Or pick up a PG in free agency.
Think about cutting Samuelson or Wiese to pick up a 5th post (Musina?)




CGray/Hill
AGray/
Thornton/Davis
GJohnson/Stevens
Lavender/Plaisance

#5, #17, #22, #29
Diggins-Smith when available

With D-S temp gone, it may be tempting to go
with Gunner at #5 but then it would be overkill when D-S comes back.
Maybe take Collier at #5 and have her backing Thornton and acting as 5th post.
You never know who might show up at #5. If a 6’7 player shows up, you gotta take them. If Durr shows up, maybe you take her and figure things out later.
Make do with Davis at SG, if you end up with Collier.
Draft another PG at #17.
If Plaisance beats out Lavender, so be it.
I think this is a better team than you might think. Much better ball movement/team play.

Assorted
Christmas
George
Romero
Lucas?


People have been underestimating Chelsea Gray's value throughout her career. Odyssey Sims is NOWHERE near to Chelsea. That drop off right there would knock LA right out of the championship run. #NonStarter



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 5:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
pilight wrote:
https://twitter.com/RachGall/status/1088479599703482368

Quote:
Sources have confirmed that LA, Vegas, and New York are the teams currently involved in trade discussions with Dallas for Liz Cambage. A potential third team could be involved to make the trade work. #WNBAinsidr

Followed 28 minutes later by: https://twitter.com/DougFeinberg/status/1088487026872197125
Quote:
I wasn’t an Econ major but creating appearance of sellers market is always a good thing when you’re trying to sell something.


I don't see her going to New York for the simple fact she won't be happy playing in Westchester. Three team trades make things interesting. Still needs to involve a PG.



Cambage has already played in Westchester. Maybe she liked it. Maybe it reminded her of playing in the WNBL. Wink



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 6:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
I can't begin to imagine why LA would trade Nneka for Cambage. At best, I think they are a wash in terms of performance and contribution to a team (I'd rather have the former MVP who led her team to a championship).

But trading Nneka's consistency for who knows if Cambage will ever show up makes no sense at all to me.


Cambage is the best center in the world right now while Nneka isnt even the best power forward on her own team..Stewart, EDD, Parker, Charles are all better then her(Wilson is knocking on that door aswell). So calling them a wash in performance doesnt make sense IMO.
But i agree with you that its a big gamble if they would trade Nneka for Cambage without a guarantee that she will play every season..
But i think giving up Gray instead would be a worse..



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PostPosted: 01/24/19 6:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
This will be a transition year for Dallas.


Transition from marginal playoff team to lottery team?


Same transition Minny will likely endure ...


I have a lot to say about that, but I decided to refrain since this is a Wings thread. Smile


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PostPosted: 01/24/19 6:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades,

I went back and gave you props after I thought about your proposal!


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