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| I hear Vickie Johnson is looking for a job. |
She has a job, unless something happened recently.
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| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this?
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| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this? |
Who are you looking to get for her? Who's starting at 2 if you trade her?
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| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this? |
Gray retaining her job as the starting SG should be the last option.
A)Draft Durr or Ogunbowale...I would take KLS > Ogunbowale.
B)Trade for/sign a Wing
C)Trade/Sign a PG...then move Diggins to SG.
D)Give Gray another year to develop.
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| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this? |
Gray retaining her job as the starting SG should be the last option.
A)Draft Durr or Ogunbowale...I would take KLS > Ogunbowale.
B)Trade for/sign a Wing
C)Trade/Sign a PG...then move Diggins to SG.
D)Give Gray another year to develop. |
I like option D. Tell her to focus on her 3pt shooting over the winter. If she can get into 35% territory by next season she's definitely a keeper imo.
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| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this? |
Gray retaining her job as the starting SG should be the last option.
A)Draft Durr or Ogunbowale...I would take KLS > Ogunbowale.
B)Trade for/sign a Wing
C)Trade/Sign a PG...then move Diggins to SG.
D)Give Gray another year to develop. |
 Ogunbowale? How is that any different than having Powers? Both are ball dominating players with suspect defense. Then she is about 5’8, which is undersized for a SG. If Durr and KLS are gone, Dallas would be better off taking Collier or even Cunningham (both are at least 6’, and are high IQ players). Or maybe trading down all together. |
Let's see how the season plays out....Most people were anti Vivians after her Junior season.Vivians matured,increased her BB I.Q and shot slection her final season at Miss ST......I'm not big on a Ogunbowale/Diggins backcourt...but beggars can't be choosers. |
Yes, but there are also some key differences between Vivians and Ogunbowale. Vivians is at least 5 inches taller, which means she’s always had the versatility to play multiple positions. She’s also always had range outside the gym, something Arike doesn’t quite have. It’s also important to remember why Vivians’ shooting percentages improved. Her senior season Vic moved her to the 4, so she would be able to exploit mismatches against bigger and often slower players. Of course, her shot selection improved. However, a lot of it still had to do with the different types of looks she was getting when compared to previous seasons.
All in all, I think Ogunbowale is a poor fit for Dallas. Imo, they need to focus on getting a high IQ player than can facilitate and excel in catch and shoot situations. You don’t want to bring in a player that would take shots away from Skylar and potentially Cambage. Plus, Dallas has enough slashers as is.
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| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this? |
Who are you looking to get for her? Who's starting at 2 if you trade her? |
Havent thought that far yet i just wonder what type of value she'd garner .
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| WNBA 09 wrote: |
| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this? |
Gray retaining her job as the starting SG should be the last option.
A)Draft Durr or Ogunbowale...I would take KLS > Ogunbowale.
B)Trade for/sign a Wing
C)Trade/Sign a PG...then move Diggins to SG.
D)Give Gray another year to develop. |
Ogunbowale? How is that any different than having Powers? Both are ball dominating players with suspect defense. Then she is about 5’8, which is undersized for a SG. If Durr and KLS are gone, Dallas would be better off taking Collier or even Cunningham (both are at least 6’, and are high IQ players). Or maybe trading down all together. |
Let's see how the season plays out....Most people were anti Vivians after her Junior season.Vivians matured,increased her BB I.Q and shot slection her final season at Miss ST......I'm not big on a Ogunbowale/Diggins backcourt...but beggars can't be choosers. |
Yes, but there are also some key differences between Vivians and Ogunbowale. Vivians is at least 5 inches taller, which means she’s always had the versatility to play multiple positions. She’s also always had range outside the gym, something Arike doesn’t quite have. It’s also important to remember why Vivians’ shooting percentages improved. Her senior season Vic moved her to the 4, so she would be able to exploit mismatches against bigger and often slower players. Of course, her shot selection improved. However, a lot of it still had to do with the different types of looks she was getting when compared to previous seasons.
All in all, I think Ogunbowale is a poor fit for Dallas. Imo, they need to focus on getting a high IQ player than can facilitate and excel in catch and shoot situations. You don’t want to bring in a player that would take shots away from Skylar and potentially Cambage. Plus, Dallas has enough slashers as is. |
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| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this? |
I’m with you on this one, Gray doesn’t get a lot of rebounds or assists, and it seems like most of the players she was guarding lit Dallas up this year. |
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Marina Mabrey. |
If you can get Bibb to take Mabrey at #5, you will be worshipped by Lynx Nation.
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| WNBA 09 wrote: |
| How are we feeling about Allisha Gray? Getting a Worlds camp invite is an obvious Staley pitch for future recruits but should she be shopped this offseason as well? She declined the most with the addition of Liz. I had a vision of 3 headed monsters with her Digg and Liz but she faded out pretty quickly. WFFL where we at with this? |
Gray retaining her job as the starting SG should be the last option.
A)Draft Durr or Ogunbowale...I would take KLS > Ogunbowale.
B)Trade for/sign a Wing
C)Trade/Sign a PG...then move Diggins to SG.
D)Give Gray another year to develop. |
Ogunbowale? How is that any different than having Powers? Both are ball dominating players with suspect defense. Then she is about 5’8, which is undersized for a SG. If Durr and KLS are gone, Dallas would be better off taking Collier or even Cunningham (both are at least 6’, and are high IQ players). Or maybe trading down all together. |
Let's see how the season plays out....Most people were anti Vivians after her Junior season.Vivians matured,increased her BB I.Q and shot slection her final season at Miss ST......I'm not big on a Ogunbowale/Diggins backcourt...but beggars can't be choosers. |
Yes, but there are also some key differences between Vivians and Ogunbowale. Vivians is at least 5 inches taller, which means she’s always had the versatility to play multiple positions. She’s also always had range outside the gym, something Arike doesn’t quite have. It’s also important to remember why Vivians’ shooting percentages improved. Her senior season Vic moved her to the 4, so she would be able to exploit mismatches against bigger and often slower players. Of course, her shot selection improved. However, a lot of it still had to do with the different types of looks she was getting when compared to previous seasons.
All in all, I think Ogunbowale is a poor fit for Dallas. Imo, they need to focus on getting a high IQ player than can facilitate and excel in catch and shoot situations. You don’t want to bring in a player that would take shots away from Skylar and potentially Cambage. Plus, Dallas has enough slashers as is. |
Marina Mabrey. |
Except, she has no business being selected 5th.
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Yes, but there are also some key differences between Vivians and Ogunbowale. Vivians is at least 5 inches taller, which means she’s always had the versatility to play multiple positions. She’s also always had range outside the gym, something Arike doesn’t quite have. It’s also important to remember why Vivians’ shooting percentages improved. Her senior season Vic moved her to the 4, so she would be able to exploit mismatches against bigger and often slower players. Of course, her shot selection improved. However, a lot of it still had to do with the different types of looks she was getting when compared to previous seasons.
All in all, I think Ogunbowale is a poor fit for Dallas. Imo, they need to focus on getting a high IQ player than can facilitate and excel in catch and shoot situations. You don’t want to bring in a player that would take shots away from Skylar and potentially Cambage. Plus, Dallas has enough slashers as is. |
I agree, Vivians and Arike have different playing styles.Vivians is a catch and shoot,1 to 3 dribble pull-up jump shot player. Victoria is a complementary offensive player. Defensively,VV is big enough(5’11 not 6’1) to defend SG & most SF’s...Arike on the other hand, is a professional scorer/playmaker. She can create and get her shot anywhere on the court. I also think you're underrating Arike’s shooting ability. Just because Vivians is known as a catch and shoot player doesn’t mean she’s the better shooter. In four years at MS Vivians shot 40%/32%/76%...In Arike’s first 3 years at ND she’s shooting 44%/41%/75%..How many primary offensive shooting guards at top 5 ranked schools do you see putting up that type of shooting percentage over the course of a career?...Ogunbowale’s one major flaw is her lack of height(5’7-5’ ...For this reason,I believe Ogumbowale would thrive in a 6th/7th Woman's role off the bench(see A.Bentley)...That being said,Both players would be great fits on Dallas,but in different roles.The Wings definitely need a 3 pt shooter(VV)...but they could also use another playmaker off the bench(AO)
And Arike taking shots away from Diggins/Cambage is absolute nonsense...WNBA contenders usually have 3-5 offensive scoring options. Ogunbawale is a better, more efficient offensive player than any backcourt player on Dallas with the exception of Diggins.
The Wings have holes...But they have enough assets to fill those holes.
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Yes, but there are also some key differences between Vivians and Ogunbowale. Vivians is at least 5 inches taller, which means she’s always had the versatility to play multiple positions. She’s also always had range outside the gym, something Arike doesn’t quite have. It’s also important to remember why Vivians’ shooting percentages improved. Her senior season Vic moved her to the 4, so she would be able to exploit mismatches against bigger and often slower players. Of course, her shot selection improved. However, a lot of it still had to do with the different types of looks she was getting when compared to previous seasons.
All in all, I think Ogunbowale is a poor fit for Dallas. Imo, they need to focus on getting a high IQ player than can facilitate and excel in catch and shoot situations. You don’t want to bring in a player that would take shots away from Skylar and potentially Cambage. Plus, Dallas has enough slashers as is. |
I agree, Vivians and Arike have different playing styles.Vivians is a catch and shoot,1 to 3 dribble pull-up jump shot player. Victoria is a complementary offensive player. Defensively,VV is big enough(5’11 not 6’1) to defend SG & most SF’s...Arike on the other hand, is a professional scorer/playmaker. She can create and get her shot anywhere on the court. I also think you're underrating Arike’s shooting ability. Just because Vivians is known as a catch and shoot player doesn’t mean she’s the better shooter. In four years at MS Vivians shot 40%/32%/76%...In Arike’s first 3 years at ND she’s shooting 44%/41%/75%..How many primary offensive shooting guards at top 5 ranked schools do you see putting up that type of shooting percentage over the course of a career?...Ogunbowale’s one major flaw is her lack of height(5’7-5’...For this reason,I believe Ogumbowale would thrive in a 6th/7th Woman's role off the bench(see A.Bentley)...That being said,Both players would be great fits on Dallas,but in different roles.The Wings definitely need a 3 pt shooter(VV)...but they could also use another playmaker off the bench(AO)
And Arike taking shots away from Diggins/Cambage is absolute nonsense...WNBA contenders usually have 3-5 offensive scoring options. Ogunbawale is a better, more efficient offensive player than any backcourt player on Dallas with the exception of Diggins.
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If Odyssey Sims and her play style didn’t fit in Dallas, what makes you think Arike can? They have similar styles, but at least Sims was able to play a lick of defense. Dallas does not need any more shot first guards with little to no playmaking ability for anyone else.
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If Odyssey Sims and her play style didn’t fit in Dallas, what makes you think Arike can? They have similar styles, but at least Sims was able to play a lick of defense. Dallas does not need any more shot first guards with little to no playmaking ability for anyone else. |
Sims wasn't willing to come off the bench...Playing second fiddle to Skylar was never going to happen...And if Cambage doesn't show up next season,Dallas will definitely need another playmaker....Ogumbowale avg nearly 3 asst her Junior season with a nearly 2/1 a/t ratio.
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If Odyssey Sims and her play style didn’t fit in Dallas, what makes you think Arike can? They have similar styles, but at least Sims was able to play a lick of defense. Dallas does not need any more shot first guards with little to no playmaking ability for anyone else. |
Sims wasn't willing to come off the bench...Playing second fiddle to Skylar was never going to happen...And if Cambage doesn't show up next season,Dallas will definitely need another playmaker....Ogumbowale avg nearly 3 asst her Junior season with a nearly 2/1 a/t ratio. |
When ND was scrambling for a PG when all of theirs went down, there was a reason Muffet’s experiment with Arike at the 1 didn’t last very long. Call it what it is, she’s simply not good at creating many plays for others. Her awareness and vision for creating for others just isn’t quite there. At 5’8, being a full time SG automatically puts her at a disadvantage on the defensive end as well. If Dallas can’t get a backup PG, a shooter would be a good idea. Samuelson, Durr, and Cunningham are just a few names that have the length and shooting ability. Perhaps Dallas could try trading up to secure the first 2, and/or take whoever is left at 5 and then try acquiring a pick later in the round for a shooter like Cunningham or Latska.
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If Odyssey Sims and her play style didn’t fit in Dallas, what makes you think Arike can? They have similar styles, but at least Sims was able to play a lick of defense. Dallas does not need any more shot first guards with little to no playmaking ability for anyone else. |
Sims wasn't willing to come off the bench...Playing second fiddle to Skylar was never going to happen...And if Cambage doesn't show up next season,Dallas will definitely need another playmaker....Ogumbowale avg nearly 3 asst her Junior season with a nearly 2/1 a/t ratio. |
When ND was scrambling for a PG when all of theirs went down, there was a reason Muffet’s experiment with Arike at the 1 didn’t last very long. Call it what it is, she’s simply not good at creating many plays for others. Her awareness and vision for creating for others just isn’t quite there. At 5’8, being a full time SG automatically puts her at a disadvantage on the defensive end as well. If Dallas can’t get a backup PG, a shooter would be a good idea. Samuelson, Durr, and Cunningham are just a few names that have the length and shooting ability. Perhaps Dallas could try trading up to secure the first 2, and/or take whoever is left at 5 and then try acquiring a pick later in the round for a shooter like Cunningham or Latska. |
I never said Ogunbowale is a PG...She's a scorer/playmaker….People aren’t putting Arike’s Junior season into proper context.They’re not factoring in all of the ND players who went down.Notre Dame suffered four ACL injuries last season.Ogunbowale’s offensive role continued to increase as the season went on.Ogunbowale had more assist with fewer turnovers and shot almost an identical percentage from 2 pt and 3 pt range as Durr,that's gotdamn impressive.In AO sophomore season she only avg 13.0 fga vs Durr's 15.2 fga per game.I also find it funny how people are saying Durr is a better playmaker than AO...but when you look at the A/T ratio from last season:
Arike-105a/55t.....Durr-86a/69t
Durr's size is also up for debate...She's listed at 5'10 but appears to only be 5'8...Ogunbawale also avg more rebounds than Durr last season...5.4 to 3.1......However, as i've already said in a previous post.I would take Durr/Samuelson over Ogunbowale.
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