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since you win the game by scoring the most points, that's a pretty important skill. |
But not the most important skill, right? What happens on off shooting nights?
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“Offense sells tickets, defense wins games, rebounding wins championships.”
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As for off shooting nights, most teams generally lose -- unless they have enough shooters so that the odds are someone is always shooting well. |
As for off shooting nights, most teams generally lose --
unless they have ELITE DEFENDERS so that the odds are
the other teams' best scorers are shutdown.
“Offense sells tickets, great TEAM defense wins games &
championships.”
The PERFECT example of this: Britney Griner scored 41
against Australia in the FIBA 2018 Women's World Cup
Final. Griner WON the final for Team USA.
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Britney Griner scored 41
against Australia in the FIBA 2018 Women's World Cup
Final. Griner WON the final for Team USA. |
… which begs the question: just how many parallel universes are there?
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Aussie Pride & Unathletic Couch Potatoes
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I wouldn’t have a clue if I’ll still have Liz as a Dallas Wings teammate next WNBA season. I’m not positive she’ll play in the WNBA at all, because as Liz herself pointed out, there are much better financial opportunities elsewhere in women’s basketball.
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There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there when it comes to the WNBA. It’s good that a lot of women, in particular the WNBA players, are clapping back now. It needs to be done – we work just as hard, if not harder, than the men, while getting paid less, travelling on commercial flights, and playing year round – all while being away from our family. |
https://www.playersvoice.com.au/cayla-george-aussie-pride-unathletic-couch-potatoes/#o9bsDqLVLoI2fiaz.99
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There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there when it comes to the WNBA. It’s good that a lot of women, in particular, the WNBA players, are clapping back now. It needs to be done – we work just as hard, if not harder than the men, while getting paid less, traveling on commercial flights, and playing year-round – all while being away from our family. |
I don't think she should characterize it as between them and "keyboard warriors" about how much they get paid. Just focus on how much money the owners make - or lose. The NBA players get a higher percentage, but you don't have an NBA team in the biggest market in the country that can't find a buyer.
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I've been thinking about the Wings some more lately (in light of the "best individual player" thread). And I feel like we need to talk more about how bad of a fit Liz and Skylar are together. No playoff team relies so heavily on 2 players that thrive almost exclusively in the paint.
Seattle - Stewart, Loyd, Bird are all GREAT 3-pt shooters
Atlanta - Breland is mostly a midrange threat, Montgomery is one of the best shooters
Washington - EDD and Toliver, duh. Sanders is the only starter that's not a 3-point threat and she's a deadeye midrange shooter.
Phoenix - Griner has good range and Taurasi/January are obviously great shooters
Connecticut - Jonquel Jones is the best 3-pt shooting center in the league
Minnesota - Maya
Sparks - Gray and Parker are threats from everywhere
Meanwhile Dallas for most of the season had 1 (!) player who is a dangerous threat from 3 - Kayla Thornton. Adding more shooting should be the main priority for this team.
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There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there when it comes to the WNBA. It’s good that a lot of women, in particular, the WNBA players, are clapping back now. It needs to be done – we work just as hard, if not harder than the men, while getting paid less, traveling on commercial flights, and playing year-round – all while being away from our family. |
I don't think she should characterize it as between them and "keyboard warriors" about how much they get paid. Just focus on how much money the owners make - or lose. The NBA players get a higher percentage, but you don't have an NBA team in the biggest market in the country that can't find a buyer. |
I think she is talking more about the clowns who post trash about WBB ("the back to the kitchen" crowd) on twitter, etc not us basement dwellers.
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It’s so disappointing that the world’s best league is the worst paid among the elite women’s leagues. It’s astonishing, actually. You still want it on your resume, that you’ve played against the best of the best in the WNBA. Money-wise, it would just be nice to see something fairer. We’ve never asked to be paid the same as NBA players.
There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there when it comes to the WNBA. It’s good that a lot of women, in particular, the WNBA players, are clapping back now. It needs to be done – we work just as hard, if not harder than the men, while getting paid less, traveling on commercial flights, and playing year-round – all while being away from our family. |
I don't think she should characterize it as between them and "keyboard warriors" about how much they get paid. Just focus on how much money the owners make - or lose. The NBA players get a higher percentage, but you don't have an NBA team in the biggest market in the country that can't find a buyer. |
I think she is talking more about the clowns who post trash about WBB ("the back to the kitchen" crowd) on Twitter, etc, not us basement dwellers. |
I'm confused that she mentioned the "keyboard warriors" in the middle of two paragraphs that seemed to be about WNBA salaries being low, which made me think the keyboard warriors were arguing about WNBA salaries not needing to go up. But lower down she does seem to be addressing the standard "get back in the kitchen" stuff.
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| I really don't blame them for getting pissed off with the 'keyboard warriors' at this point, anyway. That shit where people were making up quotes from players, posting them in graphics as if they'd said them and then responding as if they were real was incredibly obnoxious. People - including the occasionaly WNBA player - say enough stupid stuff for you to whine about on the internet if you really want to. Don't go making things up they didn't even say to provoke bonus nonsensical outrage. |
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| Posted: 10/05/18 9:00 am ::: |
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Britney Griner scored 41
against Australia in the FIBA 2018 Women's World Cup
Final. Griner WON the final for Team USA. |
… which begs the question: just how many parallel universes are there? |
Lets see if your basketball knowledge can lead YOU to understand
HOW Britney Griner scored 41 against Australia.
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ClayK wrote:
"But that said, I'm not sure what the president, or anyone really, can
do to solve the primary dilemma: There's not enough fan interest
to generate enough income $$$ for the owners to break even [Per-
haps earn a PROFIT like in the NBA] and the players to get paid more."
1. Many posters KNOW by now that I think highly of A'ja Wilson as a
PLAYER. With that said, She uttered one of the STUPIDEST state-
ments to ever come out of the mouth of a basketball player when
she pondered why WNBA players do not make LeBron money. A'ja
is Dyslexic, however, that does not explain nor excuse the stupidity
of her statement. Therefore, I have to hang extreme business eco-
nomic IGNORANCE around her neck.
We can add Cambage & Diggins Smith to the above list of players.
Sadly, economic IGNORANCE is rampant in North America.
2. As "ClayK" states, the players have said: show me the money. The
owners respond with; we do not have the money. What the players
have failed to ponder or show, where is the "money" going to come
from?
3. The majority of you I am sure are quite familiar with the finances
of the WNBA. From my YEARS of reading at a soccer website the
WNBA's revenue streams are similar in nature but not scale to
MLS. MLS has a decent but nothing to brag about t.v. contract.
MLS also has a substantial Adidas clothing contract. The digital
revolution has caused cord cutting. For Gen-Xers & Millennials
their phone and their computers have become THEIR t.v.
4. The Sounders average 40,000 per game and the The Storm ave-
rage 8,000 per game. A simple side by side comparison of annual rev-
enue genaration would explain why the Sounders are the most pro-
fitable fast food operation in Seattle and the Storm are a street corner
hot dog stand.
The attendance disparity therefore places a PREMIUM on the game-
day experience & revenues. Ticket sales, parking, concessions, mer-
chandise & LOCAL t.v. deals. MLS & the WNBA both began operations
in 1996. Both leagues have failed to achieve Major League status.
Can anyone present a plausible scenario that can/will
catapult the WNBA to at least MLS revenue levels?
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Aussie Pride & Unathletic Couch Potatoes
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I wouldn’t have a clue if I’ll still have Liz as a Dallas Wings teammate next WNBA season. I’m not positive she’ll play in the WNBA at all, because as Liz herself pointed out, there are much better financial opportunities elsewhere in women’s basketball.
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There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there when it comes to the WNBA. It’s good that a lot of women, in particular the WNBA players, are clapping back now. It needs to be done – we work just as hard, if not harder, than the men, while getting paid less, travelling on commercial flights, and playing year round – all while being away from our family. |
https://www.playersvoice.com.au/cayla-george-aussie-pride-unathletic-couch-potatoes/#o9bsDqLVLoI2fiaz.99 |
Compare the revenues of the BOTTOM 12 NBA teams to to-
tal WNBA revenues. Anyone that cannot understand the dif-
ference is a MENTAL INCOMPETENT.
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Aussie Pride & Unathletic Couch Potatoes
(PlayersVoice article by Cayla George)
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I wouldn’t have a clue if I’ll still have Liz as a Dallas Wings teammate next WNBA season. I’m not positive she’ll play in the WNBA at all, because as Liz herself pointed out, there are much better financial opportunities elsewhere in women’s basketball.
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There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there when it comes to the WNBA. It’s good that a lot of women, in particular the WNBA players, are clapping back now. It needs to be done – we work just as hard, if not harder, than the men, while getting paid less, travelling on commercial flights, and playing year round – all while being away from our family. |
https://www.playersvoice.com.au/cayla-george-aussie-pride-unathletic-couch-potatoes/#o9bsDqLVLoI2fiaz.99 |
Compare the revenues of the BOTTOM 12 NBA teams to to-
tal WNBA revenues. Anyone that cannot understand the dif-
ference is a MENTAL INCOMPETENT. |
I think the issue is percentage of revenue ... the NBA players get a much bigger slice of the pie.
I'm not sure how that applies, really, but obviously comparing raw dollars makes it clear that the salaries will be very, very different.
And of course, everyone is beating the drums to set the stage for negotiations. The owners cry poor and the workers claim they're underpaid -- SOP.
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Aussie Pride & Unathletic Couch Potatoes
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I wouldn’t have a clue if I’ll still have Liz as a Dallas Wings teammate next WNBA season. I’m not positive she’ll play in the WNBA at all, because as Liz herself pointed out, there are much better financial opportunities elsewhere in women’s basketball.
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There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there when it comes to the WNBA. It’s good that a lot of women, in particular the WNBA players, are clapping back now. It needs to be done – we work just as hard, if not harder, than the men, while getting paid less, travelling on commercial flights, and playing year round – all while being away from our family. |
https://www.playersvoice.com.au/cayla-george-aussie-pride-unathletic-couch-potatoes/#o9bsDqLVLoI2fiaz.99 |
Compare the revenues of the BOTTOM 12 NBA teams to to-
tal WNBA revenues. Anyone that cannot understand the dif-
ference is a MENTAL INCOMPETENT. |
I think the issue is percentage of revenue ... the NBA players get a much bigger slice of the pie.
I'm not sure how that applies, really, but obviously comparing raw dollars makes it clear that the salaries will be very, very different.
And of course, everyone is beating the drums to set the stage for negotiations. The owners cry poor and the workers claim they're underpaid -- SOP. |
Just to pick a number, We will say that NBA players re-
ceive 50% of all NBA revenue. WNBA players receive 25% of all
WNBA revenue. Going from 25% to 50% of WNBA revenue will
not take Liz Cambage from $125,000 to $12,500,00.00 a year.
DO THE MATH!!!
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cJust to pick a number, We will say that NBA players reive 50% of all NBA revenue. WNBA players receive 25% of all
WNBA revenue. Going from 25% to 50% of WNBA revenue will
not take Liz Cambage from $125,000 to $12,500,00.00 a year.
DO THE MATH!!! |
Can you list the WNBA players that have asked to be paid what NBA players make?
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| Posted: 10/05/18 9:53 pm ::: |
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cJust to pick a number, We will say that NBA players reive 50% of
all NBA revenue. WNBA players receive 25% of all WNBA revenue.
Going from 25% to 50% of WNBA revenue will not take Liz Cambage
from $125,000 to $12,500,00.00 a year.
DO THE MATH!!! |
Can you list the WNBA players that have asked to be paid what NBA
players make? |
1. Liz Cambage
2. A'ja Wilson
3. Skylar Diggins-Smith
Liz Cambage stated that NBA players only make more money
that she does because they have a penis.
Question for "tfan".
As a Las Vegas Aces fan did A'ja:
Deliver as advertised/hyped?
Deliver LESS than advertised/hyped?
Deliver MORE than advertised/hyped?
I say based on the World Cup games she played she
needs to significantly improve her defense.
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148 posts of #FakeNews,
1 tl;dr
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| Posted: 10/05/18 10:16 pm ::: |
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cJust to pick a number, We will say that NBA players reive 50% of
all NBA revenue. WNBA players receive 25% of all WNBA revenue.
Going from 25% to 50% of WNBA revenue will not take Liz Cambage
from $125,000 to $12,500,00.00 a year.
DO THE MATH!!! |
Can you list the WNBA players that have asked to be paid what NBA
players make? |
1. Liz Cambage
2. A'ja Wilson
3. Skylar Diggins-Smith
Liz Cambage stated that NBA players only make more money
that she does because they have a penis.
Question for "tfan".
As a Las Vegas Aces fan did A'ja:
Deliver as advertised/hyped?
Deliver LESS than advertised/hyped?
Deliver MORE than advertised/hyped?
I say based on the World Cup games she played she
needs to significantly improve her defense. |
She delivered and she can improve on defense.But problem that she is 4 not a 5.Delle Donne and Stewie try play the 3 but can only guard the 4.They are great players but can not guard a 3...….
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| Posted: 10/05/18 10:51 pm ::: |
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cJust to pick a number, We will say that NBA players reive 50% of
all NBA revenue. WNBA players receive 25% of all WNBA revenue.
Going from 25% to 50% of WNBA revenue will not take Liz Cambage
from $125,000 to $12,500,00.00 a year.
DO THE MATH!!! |
Can you list the WNBA players that have asked to be paid what NBA
players make? |
1. Liz Cambage
2. A'ja Wilson
3. Skylar Diggins-Smith
Liz Cambage stated that NBA players only make more money
that she does because they have a penis.
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| it’s quite frustrating going to bed most nights knowing that if I was born with a penis I would be entitled to so much more in life |
That isn't a specific call to be paid what the NBA players make, and I am also not finding quotes from Wilson or Diggins-Smith making that statement. Mentioning how much NBA players make, is not saying you expect to be paid what they make. Can you provide links to support your claim?
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148 posts of #FakeNews,
1 tl;dr |
Team USA's Senior Women have TEN FIBA Basketball
World Titles.
How many Olympic Basketball Gold Medals do your Boomers & Opals
have???
FYI
IF Team USA's Senior Men win the 2019 FIBA Men's Basketball
World Cup, and I am very confident that they will succeed. Team
USA will have won the QUADRUPLE three-peat!!! Team USA's
achievements in International Basketball are UNTOUCHABLE.
FIBA Women's World Cup FIBA Men's World Cup
Team USA's Senior Women Team USA's Senior Men
2010 GOLD 2010 GOLD
2014 GOLD 2014 GOLD
2018 GOLD 2019 ????
Olympic Basketball Olympic Basketball
1996 GOLD 2008 GOLD
2000 GOLD 2012 GOLD
In AUSTRALIA
2004 GOLD 2016 GOLD
2008 GOLD
2012 GOLD
2016 GOLD
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These four articles are all about the same thing. A tweet by A'ja Wilson about LeBron James' 4-year 154 million contract is referenced: "154M ........... must. be. nice. We over here looking for a M  but Lord, let me get back in my lane" 1 million over 4 years would be $250,000. So she is hoping for an amount that is less than half of the NBA minimum salary for a rookie $582,180 and less than a sixth of the minimum of a NBA 10+ year vet. In latter three articles in reponse to criticism she notes the difference in percentage of revenue. So these articles are not an example of WNBA players expecting to make what NBA players make.
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https://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/wnba-skylar-diggins-gender-wage-gap
Dallas Wings point guard Skylar Diggins-Smith said WNBA players "have to fight" in an effort to reduce the massive pay differential between its players and their male counterparts in the NBA.
On Tuesday, Diggins-Smith explained to Anna Peele of Wealthsimple that the effort must begin within the league to rectify issues such as WNBA players only getting around 20 percent of their league's revenue compared to the approximately 50 percent the NBA players receive. |
I don't know why you pulled out those paragraphs as neither supports your contention that the players are calling for equal pay to the NBA. That mentions the percentage of revenue difference that Wilson and Plum also talk about. She does say "It’s unfortunate that men make more money for the same amount of work, or even less work", but that appears to be a lament, not an explicit demand to make the same.
Not a WNBA player. However YOU miss the point that this whole issue has
been POLITICIZED beyond simple economics. And when did Obama EVER
comment on anything that was NOT political?
So there you have it. One WNBA player in a TMZ street interview called for pay like the men. But Wilson, Cambage and Diggins have not. |
Wilson's tweet was ENVIOUS, STUPID, SELFISH, and lacked any sense
of graciousness. Instead of congratulating LeBron on his achievement,
it was a dig at him. Remember, the owners have the NUCLEAR OPTION,
Fold the League. The politicaization of the WNBA's pay situation will not
end well.
Ok, we will take the WNBA players at their word. In the next CBA if the
WNBA agrees to pay the players at the exact % of revenues as the NBA.
That will only double their salary. My question for you "tfan" is this: Once
the players of the WNBA achieve REVENUE EQUITY [50%|50%], do you
really believe that will stop this whole "gender pay equity" comparison
with the NBA?
However, I did read that Skylar does not receive one dime of her jersey
sales and that is WRONG.
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That isn't a specific call to be paid what the NBA players make, and I am also not finding quotes from Wilson or Diggins-Smith making that statement. Mentioning how much NBA players make, is not saying you expect to be paid what they make. Can you provide links to support your claim? |
I think it’s safe to say that all the social media discontentment shown by WNBA players over their salaries initiated when the news of LeBron’s new contract came out.
Most players probably aren’t exactly sure how much they should be making. They just feel they should be making more. I’m sure most players are blissfully unaware about the differences in revenue generated by the NBA and WNBA. It’s kinda unbelievable after 22 years that the WNBA is just trying to stay afloat with the help of mostly patient owners.
The one thing I liked about Jordan Hooper is her attitude towards playing in the WNBA. In a halftime interview with one of her last teams she said “I love playing in the WNBA. I get paid to exercise.” She obviously didn’t have any delusions of what she was worth. She was just happy to be able to play. When you look at it that way, especially with all the valuable benefits they receive, they’re paid very well exercise for about 4 months. Sign me up! It’s all about perspective.
Having overseas teams pay much more with less attendance probably helps skew the perspective. I don’t fully understand myself how these teams are able to or why they want to pay that much. It’s advertising for the companies associated with the teams? Weird.
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