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PostPosted: 08/31/18 2:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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It does seem like female coaches are given a way shorter window to achieve success than men coaches, some of which have been around forever.


Bull. The majority of bad WNBA coaches have been women. History shows male WNBA are better and more successful.


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PostPosted: 08/31/18 3:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
Shades wrote:
It does seem like female coaches are given a way shorter window to achieve success than men coaches, some of which have been around forever.


Bull. The majority of bad WNBA coaches have been women. History shows male WNBA are better and more successful.


The men have generally been far more experienced, thanks to the greater opportunity afforded to them. No woman would ever get the chance to lose as many games as Dan Hughes has. They certainly wouldn't get the opportunity to coach a good team with a record like his. Fred Williams will get a 4th head coaching job before several women with better records get a second one.



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PostPosted: 08/31/18 3:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Fred Williams will get a 4th head coaching job before several women with better records get a second one.


Yeah, I figure Williams may be headed to Chicago since he said he wasn’t done.



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PostPosted: 08/31/18 3:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The men have generally been far more experienced, thanks to the greater opportunity afforded to them. No woman would ever get the chance to lose as many games as Dan Hughes has. They certainly wouldn't get the opportunity to coach a good team with a record like his. Fred Williams will get a 4th head coaching job before several women with better records get a second one.


The other issue with Stocks is that she was the GM. She put the team together and was not winning.

Chicago has had two star players - Sylvia Fowles and Elena Delle Donne - force trades. The team cannot afford to be mired in mediocrity.


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PostPosted: 08/31/18 3:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fowles left during the Pokey administration and Delle Donne left at the same time the Stocks administration started. Stocks shouldn’t take the heat for either of those.

Now if you want to blame her for getting the lottery pick that led to DeShields acquisition by trading away McGee-Stafford and Tamera Young, then go ahead.



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PostPosted: 08/31/18 5:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It seems to me that the biggest issue for Stocks was that she'd never been in charge before she came to Chicago -- and suddenly she was GM and coach.

There's a big difference between being in the first seat on the bench and standing up and running a game, and it takes adjustment. I don't think the ideal place for that kind of learning is the WNBA, but you never can tell. Some coaches make the change without a hitch; others struggle with the new role, and not necessarily just with Xs and Os. All of a sudden, the former good cop assistant is now the bad cop in charge, and the relationship structures are completely different.

Then add in negotiating contracts, dealing with more of the business side, etc. ...

I think it was reasonable to fire Stocks, but a case could have been made to give her one more year as well. There are obviously a lot of issues we don't know anything about, positive and negative.



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PostPosted: 08/31/18 6:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
It does seem like female coaches are given a way shorter window to achieve success than men coaches, some of which have been around forever.


That's probably not the only outside factor that has such an effect


No different than rebkell coaching criticism.


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PostPosted: 08/31/18 6:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Then add in negotiating contracts, dealing with more of the business side, etc.


With the amount of people these small WNBA teams employ on the business side, I wouldn’t expect a GM to have to deal with any of it. The Sky have a CEO, a CRO (chief revenue officer), a CFO, a Vice President, 5 Directors, an Executive Director, and 3 Managers listed on their staff directory.


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PostPosted: 08/31/18 7:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Now if you want to blame her for getting the lottery pick that led to DeShields acquisition by trading away McGee-Stafford and Tamera Young, then go ahead.


Ahhh, just when you thought the idiocy was done. Cool


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PostPosted: 08/31/18 7:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hey Stocks, if you need someone to talk to just give me a call. My number is ROC-HARD. Very Happy



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PostPosted: 08/31/18 8:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Hey Stocks, if you need someone to talk to just give me a call. My number is ROC-HARD. Very Happy


poor Rocky. Feeling 4 U. Wink



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PostPosted: 08/31/18 8:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Rock Hard wrote:
Hey Stocks, if you need someone to talk to just give me a call. My number is ROC-HARD. Very Happy


poor Rocky. Feeling 4 U. Wink

I'm not sad. I'm just trying to brighten Amber's day. I want to give her some happy feelings. She might need some happy feelings custom made by me.
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PostPosted: 08/31/18 9:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So Amber you might lose your job but you could find love. Laughing


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PostPosted: 08/31/18 10:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I wonder if she pissed someone off because this firing was too soon. She should've been given another season at least. I'll say this though, I'll definitely miss seeing her on the sidelines. Crying or Very sad



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PostPosted: 08/31/18 10:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Now if you want to blame her for getting the lottery pick that led to DeShields acquisition by trading away McGee-Stafford and Tamera Young, then go ahead.


Ahhh, just when you thought the idiocy was done. Cool


It's never done...


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PostPosted: 09/01/18 6:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The first name I want to throw out there for the new head coach of Sky is David Blatt.



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PostPosted: 09/01/18 11:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I actually thought Stocks' GM'ing was fine to good... Idea

Must have been a coaching issue? But, even then, it definitely was a quick hook... Usually when other franchises do this, they already have someone else in mind lined up, or maybe they'll pull a NYL and just re-hire her like they did with Laimbeer Twisted Evil



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Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens.



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PostPosted: 09/01/18 12:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens.



SEA passed on her too... Evil or Very Mad

But, I was also expecting it... When offered the choice for a good post or a good guard, the master of 3-guard lineups Dan Hughes always goes for the guard... even if he isn't technically the GM Twisted Evil



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PostPosted: 09/01/18 12:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Chicago management probably wasn't too thrilled about who Stocks planned on taking in the upcoming draft....I find it odd how Stocks was fired just 3 Days after representing the Sky at the draft lottery.


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PostPosted: 09/01/18 12:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens.


Why does Pokey still have hers? Indy must be too focused on the e-League (or whatever they call it) to worry about the WNBA.



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Chicago management probably wasn't too thrilled about who Stocks planned on taking in the upcoming draft....I find it odd how Stocks was fired just 3 Days after representing the Sky at the draft lottery.


Maybe she showed too much interest in Anigwe. Wink



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PostPosted: 09/01/18 3:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens.


This is a reach, a big reach. Laughing


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PostPosted: 09/01/18 4:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens.


Why does Pokey still have hers? Indy must be too focused on the e-League (or whatever they call it) to worry about the WNBA.


Maybe Borders leaned on them to keep her. It would look bad if all the black coaches got fired and none of the white ones.



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PostPosted: 09/01/18 4:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens.


Why does Pokey still have hers? Indy must be too focused on the e-League (or whatever they call it) to worry about the WNBA.


Maybe Borders leaned on them to keep her. It would look bad if all the black coaches got fired and none of the white ones.


What about the quick firing of women coaches compared to men?

Is that something you can demonstrate graphically?



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