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PUmatty
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Posted: 08/23/19 11:02 am ::: |
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This is Pokey's ninth season as a head coach in the league, and she has only be above .500 3 times. That is a terrible record.
How can she possibly continue to have a job?
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ClayK
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Posted: 08/23/19 11:32 am ::: |
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And even more so considering her past ...
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pilight
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Posted: 08/23/19 11:35 am ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
This is Pokey's ninth season as a head coach in the league, and she has only be above .500 3 times. That is a terrible record.
How can she possibly continue to have a job? |
If she'd had four winning seasons in her first nine, she'd be Brian Agler...
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tfan
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Posted: 08/24/19 12:17 pm ::: |
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I'm just hoping we get somebody, though I will say straight up that if I don't get some kind of freelance gig, I will not be making the 90-minute-plus commute to Chase all that often. It will be a travel nightmare of epic proportions -- the Bay Area is second only to L.A. in terms of traffic madness. |
The good part is that the current traffic is better than future traffic, so enjoy it while you can. People still haven’t figured out that the same roads (and no new underpasses or overpasses) plus more people means traffic gets worse. Which is why you hear them complain about traffic but not development. And so the development continues, virtually unchallenged. |
I actually did a long story for a magazine on traffic a few years ago, and the bottom line was this: If the economy's humming, the traffic will be horrible. If you want less congestion, root for a recession. |
In Santa Clara County the population has gone up 50% since 1980 (which was when there was very little undeveloped land left and housing prices had just doubled in 3 years). There are doing "infill" which is tearing down auto repair shops and strip malls and warehouses, etc. and building increasingly high density residential. While there was some additional expressway/freeway lanes and two freeway extensions built in that time, the local roads have remained constant. And the infill is concentrated in certain cities that were of "mixed use" versus the wealthier areas that were primarily houses. Anyway, I would take a booming 1980 versus a depressed 2020 as far as local traffic goes.
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ClayK
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Posted: 08/24/19 6:49 pm ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
I'm just hoping we get somebody, though I will say straight up that if I don't get some kind of freelance gig, I will not be making the 90-minute-plus commute to Chase all that often. It will be a travel nightmare of epic proportions -- the Bay Area is second only to L.A. in terms of traffic madness. |
The good part is that the current traffic is better than future traffic, so enjoy it while you can. People still haven’t figured out that the same roads (and no new underpasses or overpasses) plus more people means traffic gets worse. Which is why you hear them complain about traffic but not development. And so the development continues, virtually unchallenged. |
I actually did a long story for a magazine on traffic a few years ago, and the bottom line was this: If the economy's humming, the traffic will be horrible. If you want less congestion, root for a recession. |
The economy has been humming at various times in the last 40 years in the Bay Area and traffic, at least in the South Bay, was better at those times than it is now. The further you go back the better it was. I am rooting for people to see a connection between traffic and population growth. |
In some ways, it's the same thing. Jobs draw people; if the tech jobs don't explode, the people don't come -- or don't stay.
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tfan
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Posted: 08/24/19 6:56 pm ::: |
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In some ways, it's the same thing. Jobs draw people; if the tech jobs don't explode, the people don't come -- or don't stay. |
But it is all controlled by zoning. Nothing increases - commercial or residential development - without the local (elected) politicians approving it. The politicians get paid by the developers and companies, so they are always for development. It is up to the people to stop it, but they are so easily influenced by pitches about "more jobs" or "more affordable housing", forgetting that more jobs is no benefit to them if an equivalent amount of new people come and compete for them, and more housing is no benefit to them if it is actually being built to handle an equivalent or more increase in population that came due to the increased commercial development. Building ONLY housing would lower housing prices, but both developers and existing home owners and landlords do not want a surplus of housing that drives down prices and creates significant vacancies in new and existing units.
The president of Shopify (located in Ottawa, Canada) was asked if he was going to relocate to Silicon Valley and he scoffed at the idea, saying that the continued business growth in such a crowded, expensive area is an example of groupthink.
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ClayK
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Posted: 08/25/19 11:21 am ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
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In some ways, it's the same thing. Jobs draw people; if the tech jobs don't explode, the people don't come -- or don't stay. |
But it is all controlled by zoning. Nothing increases - commercial or residential development - without the local (elected) politicians approving it. The politicians get paid by the developers and companies, so they are always for development. It is up to the people to stop it, but they are so easily influenced by pitches about "more jobs" or "more affordable housing", forgetting that more jobs is no benefit to them if an equivalent amount of new people come and compete for them, and more housing is no benefit to them if it is actually being built to handle an equivalent or more increase in population that came due to the increased commercial development. Building ONLY housing would lower housing prices, but both developers and existing home owners and landlords do not want a surplus of housing that drives down prices and creates significant vacancies in new and existing units.
The president of Shopify (located in Ottawa, Canada) was asked if he was going to relocate to Silicon Valley and he scoffed at the idea, saying that the continued business growth in such a crowded, expensive area is an example of groupthink. |
It's a complex equation ...
You are absolutely right about developers having the upper hand in any decisions about growth, but on the other hand, here in the Bay Area, the recession hammered home prices about 10 years ago, really hurting some families in the process. What raised those prices? More jobs ...
So yes, you can control growth and limit development, but you are also going to limit jobs and home prices. Which is more important?
An old line: A developer wants to build a house in the woods; an environmentalist already has a house in the woods.
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tfan
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Posted: 08/26/19 5:58 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
It's a complex equation ...
You are absolutely right about developers having the upper hand in any decisions about growth, but on the other hand, here in the Bay Area, the recession hammered home prices about 10 years ago, really hurting some families in the process. What raised those prices? More jobs ... |
But there have always been business cycles. House prices go back up after a temporary decline in a recession once business recovers for the existing businesses. There isn't a need for new businesses to get houses prices back to where they were, just a need for the recession to end.
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So yes, you can control growth and limit development, but you are also going to limit jobs and home prices. Which is more important? |
You don't specify the other choice besides "no limits on jobs (and people to come and take them - including from other countries) and home prices". If it is roads that aren't a parking lot at commute time and not sluggish at non-commute times, and housing that is affordable by everyone, I would choose that as more important.
It is true that house prices going up higher in an area like the Bay Area than they have in potential retirement areas allows retirees to take a big chunk of money out of their home when they sell and move. But on the flip side, lower paid native born workers , the type who are renters, have been net leavers (more moving out of the state than moving in) of California (at least the metro areas) for other states, and have been doing so since the early 1980's.
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root_thing
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Posted: 08/31/19 8:48 am ::: |
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Teams rarely cut a player and pay their full season's salary. The two sides usually reach a termination settlement for about half the amount. Using Megdal's numbers, half of Alexander's salary plus McCall's is almost exactly equal to Alexander's full salary. Therefore, if the cost is the same and Pokey likes McCall better, then keeping Erica makes sense.
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Stormeo
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Posted: 08/31/19 12:48 pm ::: |
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root_thing wrote: |
Teams rarely cut a player and pay their full season's salary. The two sides usually reach a termination settlement for about half the amount. Using Megdal's numbers, half of Alexander's salary plus McCall's is almost exactly equal to Alexander's full salary. Therefore, if the cost is the same and Pokey likes McCall better, then keeping Erica makes sense. |
Alexander being bought out makes the most sense. I just remember before this season when it was made clear that Bone was bought out in Vegas as opposed to just being waived, whereas they made it sound like Alexander was just waived like normal - that lack of clarity was why I didn't just assume she was bought out. Hopefully for the Fever's sake, she was.
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Richyyy
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Posted: 08/31/19 1:07 pm ::: |
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Players normally accept a buyout when there's some expectation of making the money back (usually via a vet minimum contract with someone else). I'm not sure Alexander would've has that, so there wasn't much reason to take less than the full amount. But Indiana had acres of cap space, with nothing much else on the horizon to spend it on, so if Pokey preferred McCall/Mavunga it wasn't a big deal to just cut Alexander. I can't be bothered to do all the maths but all that deal may have done is got them closer to the league minimum.
As for double-dipping, you're not actually allowed to earn much more than the applicable league max these days, thanks to a rule brought in a couple of CBAs ago. The Ruth Riley Rule, as some of us affectionately call it . |
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Stormeo
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Posted: 08/31/19 1:26 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
Players normally accept a buyout when there's some expectation of making the money back (usually via a vet minimum contract with someone else). I'm not sure Alexander would've has that, so there wasn't much reason to take less than the full amount. But Indiana had acres of cap space, with nothing much else on the horizon to spend it on, so if Pokey preferred McCall/Mavunga it wasn't a big deal to just cut Alexander. I can't be bothered to do all the maths but all that deal may have done is got them closer to the league minimum.
As for double-dipping, you're not actually allowed to earn much more than the applicable league max these days, thanks to a rule brought in a couple of CBAs ago. The Ruth Riley Rule, as some of us affectionately call it . |
You're right, if my math is somewhat correct, including the full amount of Alexander's contract + those of the actual 12 on the roster, it comes out to right around $900K. So even if she is owed the full amount, it's really not too bad. And it looks poised to stay near or below that number through next year unless a good free agent actually wants to sign with a team that'll probably be in a minor-league arena the next couple years (though they are a team on the rise!).
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root_thing
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Posted: 08/31/19 1:40 pm ::: |
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I can see how Alexander would be optimistic about her chances of landing another job. She is a young veteran in her prime. As things turned out, Kayla didn't find a job until recently -- but that's 20-20 hindsight. In terms of accepting less than her whole salary, we shouldn't discount the normal human desire to leave any place where you're not wanted.
On the other hand, if Indiana was struggling to hit the salary minimum, then obviously absorbing Alexander's full salary would not be a problem.
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PUmatty
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Fever Announce Butler University’s Hinkle Fieldhouse As Home Venue For 2020, 2021 and Part of 2022 WNBA Seasons
https://fever.wnba.com/hinkle-fieldhouse/
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Upon completion of the project, the Fever will return to Bankers Life Fieldhouse. |
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ClayK
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Posted: 09/05/19 3:51 pm ::: |
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We don't have a lot of Indianapolis folks on here, but any info about the site, parking, traffic, etc., would be greatly appreciated.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 09/05/19 4:25 pm ::: |
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Fever Announce Butler University’s Hinkle Fieldhouse As Home Venue For 2020, 2021 and Part of 2022 WNBA Seasons
https://fever.wnba.com/hinkle-fieldhouse/
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Upon completion of the project, the Fever will return to Bankers Life Fieldhouse. |
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Very good news. It's a long time, but it's the right venue.
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