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| My point would be that ideally the top two or three picks would be able to play both ends of the floor. |
Are any such players available in this draft? |
Jackie Young |
Really like her but she was not very good against Louisville, looked like she was not sure what her assignment was.
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| Posted: 01/14/19 1:08 pm ::: |
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http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25755532/buffalo-cierra-dillard-espnw-basketball-player-week
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Cierra Dillard put on a show last postseason, leading Buffalo to the Sweet 16. And the guard is still lighting up the scoreboard for the Bulls.
Dillard scored a school-record 43 points and added five rebounds and five assists Wednesday in leading Buffalo over Eastern Michigan 91-84 in overtime. The game was a display of great guard play, as Dillard's counterpart for Eastern Michigan, Danielle Minott, also scored -- believe it or not -- 43 points.
Then Saturday in a 66-59 victory at Miami (Ohio), Dillard had 26 points, five rebounds and 10 assists. Those back-to-back performances earned the 5-foot-9 senior espnW national player of the week honors. |
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| Also nominated: Reyna Frost, Central Michigan; Natisha Hiedeman, Marquette; Tiana Mangakahia, Syracuse; Bre Kavanaugh, Fordham; Aari McDonald, Arizona; Satou Sabally, Oregon; Alanna Smith, Stanford |
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| Posted: 01/14/19 1:36 pm ::: |
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McCowan 18 pts, 21 reb inc 13 off reb, 2 blk in tonight’s game against GA.
Looks like she’s the #1 pick. |
Maybe she can work with A'ja, though many think A'ja is better without a traditional center clogging up the middle. Still teams will more likely double Wilson, and perhaps that will leave McC open under the basket. I dunno.
She could get NCAA POY based on numbers. But I can say that 7-16 shooting when none of her shots were from more than 2' doesn't inspire me. And probably 6 of those o-boards were off her own 2' misses. I saw zero footwork in that game and I think Georgia's tall girl (who nobody is claiming to be great) blocked her at least 4 times because she just turns and shoots with no footwork. But I did see her actually jump once and score on an inbound play. That basket may even have been from 4 or 5'. It was her most impressive anyway. She also tends to dawdle on the way downcourt. I suspect running teams with running centers will just flat out outrun her. There may be hope for her, but I can't see any pro center letting her camp out continuously at 2' from the basket. Therefore there will definitely be a learning curve. Is she capable of learning? Then she could maybe turn into a Sylvia Fowles type player eventually - I don't think Syl had much in the way of footwork or finesse coming out of college. But it also took her several years to develop.
Truthfully I have no idea who will be #1 this year, which is why I said Big Bill might just trade down. I'm not convinced he will want a project at #1.[/quot
Bingo. Why would a GM take a player with no offensive skill set. The GMs are slick pushing this in there anonymous polls, they only give out who they want other teams to take and not who they want.
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| Posted: 01/14/19 2:31 pm ::: |
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2 players i saw the last couple of weeks i like are Te'a Cooper and Maci Morris.
Te'a Cooper: i love her game because she's not afriad of contact, she's strong, Explosive attacks the basket and finishes plays. good defender as well.
only flaw i see is her shot, she has a weird lookin form but everything else the talent is there. 2rd or 3rd round if she keeps playing well
Maci Morris: my sleeper right there, Bio it say 6'0 foot but i think maybe 5'10 or 5'11, she got that quick step back trigger, she's a deadly shooter her game is smooth, got good handles and plays under control.
she's been dealing with injuries and still playing through it, which shows how tough she is. she lit up Tennessee bad...very bad
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| Posted: 01/14/19 4:13 pm ::: |
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Maci Morris: my sleeper right there, Bio it say 6'0 foot but i think maybe 5'10 or 5'11, she got that quick step back trigger, she's a deadly shooter her game is smooth, got good handles and plays under control.
she's been dealing with injuries and still playing through it, which shows how tough she is. she lit up Tennessee bad...very bad |
agree. she looked very good in that game. Haven't seen enough to know just how good on a day to day basis, but the talent is clearly there.
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| Posted: 01/14/19 5:44 pm ::: |
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| I agree Morris strikes me as the type of player who could go mid second or third round or even go undrafted get a camp invite and maybe even hang around long enough to get a 12 spot on a team who needs shooting over others who got drafted before her.
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| Posted: 01/14/19 6:12 pm ::: |
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| I think Caliya Robinson has played her way into being a second round pick. |
Down from first or up from 3rd round I wasn't all that impressed with her against the LV yesterday. The Dream often seem to go for a player from a local school in the 2nd or 3rd round. I don't think she is as good as Billings or Dantas but she might get taken at 23 anyway. |
I’ve had her rock steady in my mock at #23.
She has a low energy sleepy style to her. Relies on great timing over high energy. Kinda reminds me of EWill. Thrift store version.
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She sounds fucking awesome
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| Posted: 01/14/19 6:41 pm ::: |
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| I agree Morris strikes me as the type of player who could go mid second or third round or even go undrafted get a camp invite and maybe even hang around long enough to get a 12 spot on a team who needs shooting over others who got drafted before her. |
just think about this as a liberty fan, have we ever had a great shooter? i mean a knock down automatic you leave her open its 3 points.
i mean listen i like bec allen but for a few years she hasn't been that type of player for us.
someone that can come off the bench and hit a few 3's, that would be nice don't cha think?lol
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| Posted: 01/14/19 7:34 pm ::: |
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| LibFan25 wrote: |
| J-Spoon wrote: |
| I agree Morris strikes me as the type of player who could go mid second or third round or even go undrafted get a camp invite and maybe even hang around long enough to get a 12 spot on a team who needs shooting over others who got drafted before her. |
just think about this as a liberty fan, have we ever had a great shooter? i mean a knock down automatic you leave her open its 3 points. |
Erin Thorn? Leilani Mitchell? Hell, Cathrine Kraayeveld was basically 40% from three for most of her career. |
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| Posted: 01/14/19 7:48 pm ::: |
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| LibFan25 wrote: |
| J-Spoon wrote: |
| I agree Morris strikes me as the type of player who could go mid second or third round or even go undrafted get a camp invite and maybe even hang around long enough to get a 12 spot on a team who needs shooting over others who got drafted before her. |
just think about this as a liberty fan, have we ever had a great shooter? i mean a knock down automatic you leave her open its 3 points. |
Erin Thorn? Leilani Mitchell? Hell, Cathrine Kraayeveld was basically 40% from three for most of her career. |
Mitchell was one of my favs. but as of this current roster we need someone like that to stretch the court and make teams pay for doubling Charles.
would KLS solve that problem for us? we'll see. i just hope whoever is in charge make the right decisions.
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| Posted: 01/14/19 9:29 pm ::: |
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| I agree Morris strikes me as the type of player who could go mid second or third round or even go undrafted get a camp invite and maybe even hang around long enough to get a 12 spot on a team who needs shooting over others who got drafted before her. |
just think about this as a liberty fan, have we ever had a great shooter? i mean a knock down automatic you leave her open its 3 points. |
Erin Thorn? Leilani Mitchell? Hell, Cathrine Kraayeveld was basically 40% from three for most of her career. |
That's not even including Becky Hammon and Crystal Robinson.
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| Posted: 01/14/19 9:33 pm ::: |
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Looking at the discussion above about the top 3 being either questionable offensively or defensively, I've come to a conclusion. There's one player in that top 6 who's really good offensively, a really good rebounder, and (IMO) a very good defensive player. Collier. She was heading up UConn's trap yesterday and she also can play inside. Her lateral movement and athleticism are both quite good for the pro level.
I've changed my opinion about who I want for the Libs. I want Collier, unless there's a way to get Ionescu. We need so much of what she can do. Yeah, her shooting is questionable but I love her form and she never gets to get in a rhythm from 3 because she so rarely expects to shoot from out there. She can otherwise face up, score off the dribble or score inside. Very high BB IQ and good passer. Her all-around play gives her a leg up on any of the other seniors, IMO. And the Libs need a SF who can function effectively as an occasional undersized 4. Some might see her as a tweener. I don't, even if she doesn't play SF for a team that plays a PG and 4 wings at the same time. I see her as a player who can functionally switch between the two positions.
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| Posted: 01/14/19 10:29 pm ::: |
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I've changed my opinion about who I want for the Libs. I want Collier, unless there's a way to get Ionescu. |
I hope you get your wish. You’ll probably change your mind several more times before the draft.
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| Posted: 01/14/19 10:36 pm ::: |
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| My minority opinion is that this is not a good draft
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| Posted: 01/14/19 10:48 pm ::: |
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| My minority opinion is that this is not a good draft |
That viewpoint is not totally incorrect. The 2019 draft lacks any superstar players. What this draft class offers is a lot of competent players that give quality support to the specific needs that a team might have to address to improve their team.
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| Speaking of old Liberty, Nayo Raincock-Ekunwe is currently teammates with K.B. Sharp in France. That's like some kind of timewarp displacement anomaly thingy.
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| Posted: 01/15/19 1:50 pm ::: |
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I have no idea what Ionescu is going to do this spring but if she has any desire to play in Las Vegas then she should leave college after this season. If she waits until 2020 then she might end up in Chicago.  |
She went 5/19 and 2/8 from the 3 point line, 6 assists and 4 turnovers against UCLA and was still in the game when they were up 30 points with 3 mins to go with Laimbeer n the house.  Plum always had a better offensive game, was quicker and didn't have the supporting cast. |
That depends how you define "better offensive game". I know passing can be underrated, but if the woman was playing NBA minutes instead of college minutes she'd be almost AVERAGING a triple-double. Yeah, Plum was a better scorer, but that's just one aspect of the game. Ionescu has the best court vision of any prospect IMO since Bird and Taurasi. Which in my eyes is a very big deal. |
Thats funny if you want Collier who cannot feed a post even though she is a post, stats can be funny thing but if you watch her she always turns and passes to the side instead of watching for anything in the paint, she is also not a 3, she will be an undersized forward without an outside shot as her release is slow and hesitant, BTW teams leave her open all the time away from the basket, she is like Gabby Williams in that she has no confidence in her shot, and neither would I if I was shooting 19%, plus her free throw shooting is in the sixties as her shot has a hitch.
Plum was a very good passer in college, she just didn't have the players around her but those she had, she helped them and made them look better than they were, just look at Lexi Atchley.
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| Posted: 01/15/19 5:39 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| My minority opinion is that this is not a good draft |
I am in the same minority.
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| Posted: 01/15/19 10:59 pm ::: |
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| I have no idea what Ionescu is going to do this spring but if she has any desire to play in Las Vegas then she should leave college after this season. If she waits until 2020 then she might end up in Chicago. |
She went 5/19 and 2/8 from the 3 point line, 6 assists and 4 turnovers against UCLA and was still in the game when they were up 30 points with 3 mins to go with Laimbeer n the house. Plum always had a better offensive game, was quicker and didn't have the supporting cast. |
That depends how you define "better offensive game". I know passing can be underrated, but if the woman was playing NBA minutes instead of college minutes she'd be almost AVERAGING a triple-double. Yeah, Plum was a better scorer, but that's just one aspect of the game. Ionescu has the best court vision of any prospect IMO since Bird and Taurasi. Which in my eyes is a very big deal. |
Thats funny if you want Collier who cannot feed a post even though she is a post, stats can be funny thing but if you watch her she always turns and passes to the side instead of watching for anything in the paint, she is also not a 3, she will be an undersized forward without an outside shot as her release is slow and hesitant, BTW teams leave her open all the time away from the basket, she is like Gabby Williams in that she has no confidence in her shot, and neither would I if I was shooting 19%, plus her free throw shooting is in the sixties as her shot has a hitch.
Plum was a very good passer in college, she just didn't have the players around her but those she had, she helped them and made them look better than they were, just look at Lexi Atchley. |
Not sure why you’d quote an Ionescu post and mention Collier. But regarding Collier she’s an 80% free throw shooter over the last two years combined. Gabby Williams isn’t in the same stratosphere as a shooter, even with Collier’s inconsistencies. Not sure when Collier even feeds the post. Who posts up when she doesn’t? She doesn’t look in the paint because she plays with 4 guards/wing players 90% of the time. Of course she passes to the wing.
I like Plum. But comparing Plum to Ionescu as a passer is ludicrous. Ionescu is one of the three best collegiate passers of the last 15 years.
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