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| However it turns out, the ESPN poll, like other polls where the respondents are not chosen at random but instead select themselves, is of course of no scientific validity. (But with fewer than 500 respondents so far, the poll might wind up showing how few people there are who read the ESPN W site and/or cared enough about this article to open it and click on the poll.) |
I didn't vote because I can see both sides. If that were an option, I would have voted.
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| Posted: 08/06/18 10:11 pm ::: |
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| Going from Indiana to Chicago is not exactly a good example.
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| Posted: 08/06/18 10:16 pm ::: |
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To go back to the original poll options, I don't see how you can play the game on the 20th. Both teams play on the 19th. Either or both could easily be playing on the 21st in the first-round of the playoffs. And the result of the game could easily mix up the order, so other teams wouldn't even know which city they needed to be in on the 21st until that game was finished on the 20th.
And if you try shifting the games from the 21st (assuming ESPN were okay with that) then you run into issues with the next round, scheduled for the 23rd. It just doesn't seem like there's room to leave a game that could affect so much until that late. |
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| Posted: 08/06/18 10:17 pm ::: |
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| Leaving Las Vegas 1:13 PM PDT which is 4:13 EDT arriving 10PM EDT in DC putting the team inside of the 24 hour window of the Game starting at 7:00 PM EDT the next day. Whoever scheduled the Aces departure flight from Las Vegas should've scheduled an earlier departure flight. The Aces could've easily flown into BWI instead of DCA aka Reagan. I live in Maryland not far from the MGM National Harbor and have used all three airports BWI, DCA and IAD
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| Posted: 08/06/18 10:34 pm ::: |
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And as they illustrated, ultimately it is their choice. But as they admitted in their original statement, when making that choice you're aware that there may be consequences that come along with it.
I think at this point either in print, video or audio I've heard Reeve, Agler, Thibault and Miller all say that travel issues are part and parcel of this league, and that they would've expected to play in that situation. |
Those are all coaches, who are management. I haven't heard from players on other teams, and particularly from the Mystics, speak up.
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| Posted: 08/06/18 10:52 pm ::: |
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And as they illustrated, ultimately it is their choice. But as they admitted in their original statement, when making that choice you're aware that there may be consequences that come along with it.
I think at this point either in print, video or audio I've heard Reeve, Agler, Thibault and Miller all say that travel issues are part and parcel of this league, and that they would've expected to play in that situation. |
Those are all coaches, who are management. I haven't heard from players on other teams, and particularly from the Mystics, speak up. |
Pretty sure I posted Currie’s view somewhere. She was surprised they didn’t show.
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http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=94876&start=67
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| Posted: 08/06/18 10:53 pm ::: |
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And as they illustrated, ultimately it is their choice. But as they admitted in their original statement, when making that choice you're aware that there may be consequences that come along with it.
I think at this point either in print, video or audio I've heard Reeve, Agler, Thibault and Miller all say that travel issues are part and parcel of this league, and that they would've expected to play in that situation. |
Those are all coaches, who are management. I haven't heard from players on other teams, and particularly from the Mystics, speak up. |
Mo Currie said she would've played the game if she was one of the Aces players.
https://twitter.com/gene_wang/status/1025536692508344321
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| Posted: 08/06/18 11:03 pm ::: |
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| That's Monique Currie, Vice President of the Players' Association, by the way. |
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| Posted: 08/06/18 11:29 pm ::: |
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Kinda looks like there’s three vice presidents.
http://es.pn/2dyLjC3
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| Posted: 08/07/18 1:15 am ::: |
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So Are we saying one or both the ogwumikes and possibly Clarendon said "Dont play" ???
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I think what the Aces players did can be likened to civil disobedience, taking action to accomplish something that they thought would be a good thing (not having to play after such a travel nightmare), but that here became a unilateral act in violation of governing rules (players alone can't decide not play a game). In such a situation, those taking the act have to be willing to accept the consequences (and indeed the Aces put out a statement that they were).
In a sports league, the consequence of players unilaterally deciding not to play a game would be a forfeit.
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| I've seen comments by some of the WNBA Head Coaches about the Aces players refusing to play against the Mystics. I wonder who among the current WNBA Head Coaches or GMs will want a fringe Aces player on their team, Aja Wilson and a few others might not be effective but quite a few of the other Aces players might've put their future WNBA careers in jeopardy.
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| Posted: 08/07/18 6:57 am ::: |
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| Going from Indiana to Chicago is not exactly a good example. |
Those are the only scheduled back-to-backs in different time zones
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| Posted: 08/07/18 7:02 am ::: |
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So Are we saying one or both the ogwumikes and possibly Clarendon said "Dont play" ??? |
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/sports/wnba-las-vegas-aces-boycott.html
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“For the union, the discussion has been ongoing,” Clarendon said of the travel issues. “We’ve had a lot of calls lately discussing what the most important issues are for us — travel, salaries and overall player wellness.”
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| Posted: 08/07/18 7:18 am ::: |
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| Unions usually support the members who get in trouble with managment. Even the NFL union supported the bounty gate players even though they hurt other union members.
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| Posted: 08/07/18 7:40 am ::: |
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| Looks like to me with little time left in the WNBA regular season, the WNBA League Office is running the clock out which will leave no other choice but to issue a forfeiture decision against the Aces
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| Posted: 08/07/18 8:31 am ::: |
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| This is a really important decision and may be a significant precedent. If the new Mystics arena is in as dangerous of a location as Artbest and others have said, in the future opposing teams might just demand to play in a safer location.
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| This is a really important decision and may be a significant precedent. If the new Mystics arena is in as dangerous of a location as Artbest and others have said, in the future opposing teams might just demand to play in a safer location. |
Oh please . . .
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| Posted: 08/07/18 10:35 am ::: |
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I think what the Aces players did can be likened to civil disobedience, taking action to accomplish something that they thought would be a good thing (not having to play after such a travel nightmare), but that here became a unilateral act in violation of governing rules (players alone can't decide not play a game). In such a situation, those taking the act have to be willing to accept the consequences (and indeed the Aces put out a statement that they were).
In a sports league, the consequence of players unilaterally deciding not to play a game would be a forfeit. |
You are supposed to get permission to not work and if you don't you are AWOL to which there are consequences. Forfeiture, last pick in the 1st round, fine MGM, no pay for the players. A STRONG message should be sent so that behavior will NEVER EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. If the W says don't play is one thing. Deciding not to play w/o permission from the WNBA was wrong.
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I'll be surprised if they go as hard as fofeiting or affecting the draft picks. Maybe the 'loss' doesn't count for lottery odds, but no more than that. Even if they decide it's a forfeit and Washington automatically get the win, the League aren't going to want to look like they just prioritise getting on the damn court at all costs regardless of player safety. And if the punishment is really strong they'd get jumped on for that. People gloss over monetary fines but messing with the picks would make it a bigger story.
Also the Aces might argue that it was a group of players who decided not to play - and draft pick punishment would be to the franchise instead. This has gotten thorny and there are enough people on both sides of the argument that whatever the league decides is probably going to be decried as an awful decision by a whole bunch of people. |
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I'll be surprised if they go as hard as fofeiting or affecting the draft picks. Maybe the 'loss' doesn't count for lottery odds, but no more than that. Even if they decide it's a forfeit and Washington automatically get the win, the League aren't going to want to look like they just prioritise getting on the damn court at all costs regardless of player safety. And if the punishment is really strong they'd get jumped on for that. People gloss over monetary fines but messing with the picks would make it a bigger story.
Also the Aces might argue that it was a group of players who decided not to play - and draft pick punishment would be to the franchise instead. This has gotten thorny and there are enough people on both sides of the argument that whatever the league decides is probably going to be decried as an awful decision by a whole bunch of people. |
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| A WNBA spokesperson tells WomensHoopsWorld that "there is no set date or time" to announce whether or not the Aces' game cancellation last Friday is a forfeiture. |
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I'll be surprised if they go as hard as fofeiting or affecting the draft picks. Maybe the 'loss' doesn't count for lottery odds, but no more than that. Even if they decide it's a forfeit and Washington automatically get the win, the League aren't going to want to look like they just prioritise getting on the damn court at all costs regardless of player safety. And if the punishment is really strong they'd get jumped on for that. People gloss over monetary fines but messing with the picks would make it a bigger story.
Also the Aces might argue that it was a group of players who decided not to play - and draft pick punishment would be to the franchise instead. This has gotten thorny and there are enough people on both sides of the argument that whatever the league decides is probably going to be decried as an awful decision by a whole bunch of people. |
I agree, forfeiture, no messing with the draft picks.
But MGM ought to reimburse Momental for all the refunded tix and the costs of opening the arena.
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| Posted: 08/07/18 11:43 am ::: |
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| A WNBA spokesperson tells WomensHoopsWorld that "there is no set date or time" to announce whether or not the Aces' game cancellation last Friday is a forfeiture. |
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Which sounds like the league is waiting to see if the game will have playoff implications. And considering how tight spots 2-8 are currently they really should make a decision soon.
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. No offense just getting good entertainment from the boards view. In my eyes a forfeiture is enough punishment and it helps my wings stay in 8th