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Who will win this game?
Dream
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Mystics
75%
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PostPosted: 07/09/18 10:20 am    ::: Dream @ Mystics - 7/11/18 Reply Reply with quote

Washington, DC - 11:30 AM ET
TV: Monumental

Video:
https://leaguepass.wnba.com

Game page:
http://www.wnba.com/game/20180711/ATLWAS

ESPN Gamecast:
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PostPosted: 07/11/18 10:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Camp Day in DC. First time I’ve seen the 400 Level open in forever. They just told the kids to yell. Deafening. 😄


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 11:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

How did we let the worst offense in the league put up 59 in a half on us? Laughing


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 11:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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How did we let the worst offense in the league put up 59 in a half on us? Laughing

Oh right, TRP is -15 in 8 and a half minutes


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 11:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

At Bentley with 5 asst and 0 turnovers


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 11:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Cloud has a quicker trigger than EDD and Toliver right now - not ideal


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

why is TRP still in the game she has 1 point in 16 minutes


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Go Dream close game though


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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why is TRP still in the game she has 1 point in 16 minutes

Can someone take her away from Thibault please? I'm too tired of this.


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Congrats Dream wow those 3s


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Dream starters have 97 of 106 ATL points



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

did NOT see this coming!

Whoever that is in Jessica Breland's jersey on the offensive side of the floor, ya did good!


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Dream are starting to come together



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So, to recap, Atlanta came into this game averaging (for the season):
  • 75.7 points per game, and scored 106.
  • 39.4 percent from the field, and shot 60.3.
  • 28.2 percent from three, and shot 61.1.
  • 16.4 assists per game, and handed out 31.
I mean, "getting hot" can only account but for so much. Washington may wish to consider re-examining their defensive philosophy?



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is the first time in WNBA history that four players for the same team scored 20+ points in the same game

The previous record was three, which had happened five times:

Phoenix at Seattle, Aug. 24, 2007
Connecticut at Indiana, Aug. 27, 2007 (ot)
Phoenix vs. Indiana, Sept. 29, 2009 (ot)
Atlanta vs. Washington, Aug. 27, 2010
Phoenix at New York, Sept. 24, 2016

ETA: Apparently this has happened one time before, for Phoenix on 24 July 2010 in a double OT game. Silly me expecting the WNBA Media Guide to have accurate information.



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This Atlanta team has the potential to be scary good...But they need to get more point production from Breland/Williams.




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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
This Atlanta team has the potential to be scary good...But they need to get more point production from Breland/Williams.

Are you sure? Montgomery appears to have settled into a rhythm offensively, in which case, they've got about all the scoring they need from their starters. What they need is for at least 2/3 of Sykes, Dantas and Bentley to start scoring.



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Silky Johnson wrote:
zune69 wrote:
This Atlanta team has the potential to be scary good...But they need to get more point production from Breland/Williams.

Are you sure? Montgomery appears to have settled into a rhythm offensively, in which case, they've got about all the scoring they need from their starters. What they need is for at least 2/3 of Sykes, Dantas and Bentley to start scoring.


You can't just rely on scoring from the guards/wings....Atlanta needs more balance in their offense......The Dream have played 19 games...Breland/Williams have reached double digits a total of 7 times.


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 12:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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You can't just rely on scoring from the guards/wings....
And I ask again: are you sure?



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 1:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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zune69 wrote:
You can't just rely on scoring from the guards/wings....
And I ask again: are you sure?


Yes...I'm positive....When Atlanta went to the finals multiple times.DeSouza and Sancho gave them scoring from the 4/5 positions.


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PostPosted: 07/11/18 1:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
zune69 wrote:
You can't just rely on scoring from the guards/wings....
And I ask again: are you sure?


Yes...I'm positive....When Atlanta went to the finals multiple times.DeSouza and Sancho gave them scoring from the 4/5 positions.


One of those times Sancho missed most of the season, and we never had any PG scoring.



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 1:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Atlanta's not gonna get very far with a 6 ppg PF & 6 ppg center.

Montgomery's shooting 36% from the field.




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PostPosted: 07/11/18 1:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Atlanta's not gonna get very far with a 6 ppg PF & 6 ppg center.


Yeah, even the 2013 Lynx had a 10 ppg PF to go with their 6 ppg center



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 1:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
zune69 wrote:
You can't just rely on scoring from the guards/wings....
And I ask again: are you sure?


Yes...I'm positive....When Atlanta went to the finals multiple times.DeSouza and Sancho gave them scoring from the 4/5 positions.


Counterpoint: Phoenix arguably rode the backs of their three-G/F combo to two championships, with minimal offensive help from their frontcourt, and I don't recall the frontcourt being a significant offensive presence in either of Minnesota's first two championships.

I mean, if your argument is that Breland and Williams need to combine for more than twelve points a game? Maybe. But the thing about Atlanta is that they get more paint points out of their wings than most teams do, which means that they also don't get as much value out of post production as other teams do. More than anything else, they need for Breland and Williams to play tough defense and rebound. If the Dream continue on the trend they appear to be on, they could threaten to make a deep playoff push without either of their starting bigs approaching double-figure scoring.



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 1:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't see any Maya Moore's or Lindsey Whalen's on this team....Augustus was a 50% fg shooter during those early title runs......Atlanta is 9-8 for a reason.


2013 Lynx fg%:
Augustus-51%
Moore-51%
Whalen-48%
Brunson-50%
McCarville-49%

McCarville also avg 3 asst and shot 43% from 3.

Atlanta's last in fg%-40%....and last in 3ptfg%-30%.




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PostPosted: 07/11/18 1:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Atlanta's not gonna get very far with a 6 ppg PF & 6 ppg center.


Yeah, even the 2013 Lynx had a 10 ppg PF to go with their 6 ppg center


That was arguably the strongest season for the Lynx.

C'mon, zune. Pilight has been a skeptic of the Dream all season long. Let him have his moment.



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 1:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:

C'mon, zune. Pilight has been a skeptic of the Dream all season long. Let him have his moment.




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zune69 wrote:
.....Atlanta is 9-8 for a reason.


True enough. Atlanta could both win and lose to any team in the league. Funny thing about them, though, is that there's only one team in the league (at least, in 2018) that I'd look at and say, "There ain't no way in hell the Dream could beat them in a one-game playoff!", and that's the team with Diana Taurasi on it. Most years, I would say that there's nothing that the Dream could do to beat Minnesota, under any circumstances, but this Lynx team does not resemble the dynastic teams that we've grown accustomed to; all they would need is one of Moore or Fowles to go cold at the wrong time, and that's it.

If Atlanta got a lucky draw, a fourth trip to the Finals, while highly improbable, is far from inconceivable.



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 3:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Atlanta's not gonna get very far with a 6 ppg PF & 6 ppg center.

Montgomery's shooting 36% from the field.


The bigger issue for Atlanta is that it took shooting 11-18 (61.1) percent today to get the team's season average from three up to 30.0 percent. The prowess from three also pushed the team's overall shooting percentage to 40.5 percent.

Adding Bentley will not necessarily help, as her career numbers (40.2 percent from the floor, 30.8 from three) are pretty close to Atlanta's team shooting percentages this year.

While Atlanta is 3rd in the league in free throw attempts (21.4 per game), the team shoots 74.9 percent from the line - second worst in the league. And that is with Angel shooting 86.9 percent from the line and getting to the charity stripe over five times per game.

At this point, Angel is 31 years old (turning 32 later this year, but she took off an entire season last year to rest). The offense is going to run through her as long as she is there. The goal would be for her to work on her shot, maybe tweak some of her mechanics, and try to turn her into a female James Harden - facilitate from the wing, be the primary playmaker, but be a threat to drive and from distance. But at this age, I am not sure how likely that is to happen.


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Bentley's six assists match our starting PG's season high



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PostPosted: 07/11/18 7:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Silky Johnson wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
zune69 wrote:
You can't just rely on scoring from the guards/wings....
And I ask again: are you sure?


Yes...I'm positive....When Atlanta went to the finals multiple times.DeSouza and Sancho gave them scoring from the 4/5 positions.


Counterpoint: Phoenix arguably rode the backs of their three-G/F combo to two championships, with minimal offensive help from their frontcourt, and I don't recall the frontcourt being a significant offensive presence in either of Minnesota's first two championships.

Not quite true. Remember Phoenix had Penny Taylor playing the 4 and Tangela Smith at the 5 in those teams. Both were capable scorers.
Our PGs were actually the lowest scorers of our starting 5 (Kelly Miller in '07, and Temeka Johnson in '09) - but even they got their points because those teams were all about offence, so they're probably not a great comparison to use anyway.

The way I've always seen it is that if you've got quality players then even if they're not a traditional 1-2-3-4-5 you can still win games as long as their strengths overcome their weaknesses. Those Phoenix teams were badly undersized, but the positives of their mobility & perimeter shooting at the 4 & 5 overcame the negatives of being outmuscled.



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Luuuc wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
zune69 wrote:
You can't just rely on scoring from the guards/wings....
And I ask again: are you sure?


Yes...I'm positive....When Atlanta went to the finals multiple times.DeSouza and Sancho gave them scoring from the 4/5 positions.


Counterpoint: Phoenix arguably rode the backs of their three-G/F combo to two championships, with minimal offensive help from their frontcourt, and I don't recall the frontcourt being a significant offensive presence in either of Minnesota's first two championships.

Not quite true. Remember Phoenix had Penny Taylor playing the 4 and Tangela Smith at the 5 in those teams.

I mean, I guess, but I feel like you know what I meant. Just because you all played Penny Taylor out of position didn't make her into a PF, any more than Taurasi became a PG, just because y'all put her there for a year. The bulk of your offense came from Taurasi, Pondexter and Taylor, who are/were all wing players.



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