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Who will win this game?
Mercury
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PostPosted: 06/11/18 11:38 am    ::: Mercury @ Wings - 6/12/18 Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 06/11/18 11:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Cambage vs. Griner, round 2.



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PostPosted: 06/11/18 12:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Cambage outplayed Griner in the first game, but Dee > Diggins in that game (though Diggins had 9 assists) and without much help from the rest of the Wings, they fell in Phoenix. Will Dee still have that much spring in her step? Or will she be frustrated/tired and less engaged? Phoenix is playing on only 1 day of rest (played Sunday), but the Wings have been idle since Friday.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Thorton and Davis getting the starts.



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm hoping for a crew thats not too whistle-happy.



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I'm hoping for a crew thats not too whistle-happy.


Too late. refs need to let them play.



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

just saw this in the boxscore.

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Mercury: N/A

Wings: #13 Karima Christmas-Kelly, #22 Cayla George, #11 Teana Muldrow, #55 Theresa Plaisance, #10 Leticia Romero



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I watch Kayla Thornton and can't believe it took her three years to land on a team. yes she was on the Mystics roster in 2015, but barely played and was cut on July 16.



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

nice to see the Wings' "others" getting making plays.


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Romero watching from the crowd.



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

this is probably the worst 2nd Qtr of basketball I've seen in my life....both teams stinkin' it up.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Why don't they keep going to Cambage with Griner having 2 fouls?



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

griner got jobbed on that last foul.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

4 minute review on the Taurasi play.

Defensive foul on Lyttle.

Makes sense.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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4 minute review on the Taurasi play.

Defensive foul on Lyttle.

Makes sense.


Have they called a foul on Dallas yet?



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

oh no...Dee is down.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 7:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

how is that a F1 on Liz... Diana was right up under her...where were Liz's arms supposed to come down?


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how is that a F1 on Liz... Diana was right up under her...where were Liz's arms supposed to come down?


Isn’t an elbow to to the face automatic?

If not..the refs are just bad.

Also, amazing DT came away from that without a broken something. She’s probably got a concussion though.



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 8:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
mercfan wrote:
4 minute review on the Taurasi play.

Defensive foul on Lyttle.

Makes sense.


Have they called a foul on Dallas yet?


I actually don’t mind how loosely this game has been called. I just found that particular sequence to be funny. Dallas played extremely well and Phoenix is only down 3 so I’ll take it.

As for the flagrant, someone smarter than me could correct me on the rule but Liz unfortunately made too much physical contact to the face for it to not be called. Regardless of intent.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 8:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sancho has been a perfect addition to this team that is really starting to gel.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 8:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

3 on 2 break, skylar had Stevens, but call her own number for the charge.
liz trying to get her to get out of her feelings. Laughing


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 8:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The whole mercury squad would have been T’d up if Diggins hit that buzzer beater.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 8:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So is Diggins going to be playing the majority of this game as well?



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 8:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

these refs.... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Twisted Evil Twisted Evil



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 9:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

How could you honestly think that WASN’T a foul Skylar. Lol


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somebody I've been riding for is becoming one of least faves...


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I know she’s used to being able to wack people across the arm and get away with it, but it is a foul. And it was a foul in college too.



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It looked like a foul but unless Diggins said something bad to the ref, that (the reaction itself) didn’t warrant a T.



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PostPosted: 06/12/18 9:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jesus Skylar...


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Watch Me F-bomb the ref 5x.



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Diggins not exactly in MVP form today.



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Diggins not exactly in MVP form today.


girl needs a chill-pill.


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not sure about having powers on the floor down the stretch..and gray on the bench, Fred?

and, why do davis think she's a jump shooter?


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Watch Me F-bomb the ref 5x.


Diana looking like a proud mother. Laughing



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So Cambage picks up her 5th foul with 8:07 left in the 4th and Dallas up by 8.....Fred leaves her in the game.Liz then picks up her 6th foul 11 seconds later........Coach Williams is such a moron.

Stupid idiot cost us the basketball game.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 9:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Big win against a team that I don’t think anybody wants to see in the playoffs.


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PostPosted: 06/12/18 9:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

that was one hell of a game even tho I thought the refs screwed the Merc but they won anyway! Great game Merc and Congratulations Very Happy


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ChicagoAnnie wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Diggins not exactly in MVP form today.


girl needs a chill-pill.


Indeed!


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mercfan wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
mercfan wrote:
4 minute review on the Taurasi play.

Defensive foul on Lyttle.

Makes sense.


Have they called a foul on Dallas yet?


I actually don’t mind how loosely this game has been called. I just found that particular sequence to be funny. Dallas played extremely well and Phoenix is only down 3 so I’ll take it.

As for the flagrant, someone smarter than me could correct me on the rule but Liz unfortunately made too much physical contact to the face for it to not be called. Regardless of intent.


Yes, and I thought it was very interesting how the homer commenter kept making remarks about how the big girl Liz needs space to come down. They don't think the other big girl BG needs room as well!


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So Cambage picks up her 5th foul with 8:07 left in the 4th and Dallas up by 8.....Fred leaves her in the game.Liz then picks up her 6th foul 11 seconds later........Coach Williams is such a moron.

Stupid idiot cost us the basketball game.



He was stupid for trusting her to not make a stupid foul.



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zune69 wrote:
So Cambage picks up her 5th foul with 8:07 left in the 4th and Dallas up by 8.....Fred leaves her in the game.Liz then picks up her 6th foul 11 seconds later........Coach Williams is such a moron.

Stupid idiot cost us the basketball game.



He was stupid for trusting her to not make a stupid foul.


A total dolt.

Player picks up 5th foul with 8 minutes to go,and you have an 8 point lead.....Common sense would tell you to take the player out of the game.


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Big win against a team that I don’t think anybody wants to see in the playoffs.


+1 PHX is looking like an early favorite for a finals appearance. LA PHX and CONN are on a different level. Dallas seems to have upgraded from a third tier team to a 2nd tier with Seattle,and ATL. My title talk has ended im back with PP's and im staying consistent this time! Laughing



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Fred Williams lost a close game? Shocked



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So Cambage picks up her 5th foul with 8:07 left in the 4th and Dallas up by 8.....Fred leaves her in the game.Liz then picks up her 6th foul 11 seconds later........Coach Williams is such a moron.

I didn't see the game, but it doesn't say much for Cambage's intelligence either



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not sure about having powers on the floor down the stretch..and gray on the bench, Fred?

and, why do davis think she's a jump shooter?


Davis is always sure she's the best player on the court!



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Luuuc wrote:
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So Cambage picks up her 5th foul with 8:07 left in the 4th and Dallas up by 8.....Fred leaves her in the game.Liz then picks up her 6th foul 11 seconds later........Coach Williams is such a moron.

I didn't see the game, but it doesn't say much for Cambage's intelligence either


In most cases I’d agree, but no one knew what a foul was that game.



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Luuuc wrote:
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So Cambage picks up her 5th foul with 8:07 left in the 4th and Dallas up by 8.....Fred leaves her in the game.Liz then picks up her 6th foul 11 seconds later........Coach Williams is such a moron.

I didn't see the game, but it doesn't say much for Cambage's intelligence either


In most cases I’d agree, but no one knew what a foul was that game.


The refs were blowing their whistles for EVERYTHING. they really needed to let Cambage and Griner play. And Johnson and Little. And Diggins and Taurasi



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BG haters are all over her when she doesn't rebound -- note that Cambage had 3 rebounds in 23:05, while Griner had 5 in 27:10. Where's the outrage?

Now, as for leaving Cambage in with that fifth foul. So the received wisdom is that you take someone out with 8 minutes to go and an eight-point lead, as presumably you only have X number of minutes left before foul number six is called.

The question, then, is when do you want those X number of minutes? (This is similar to the closer debate in baseball, about always saving the closer until the ninth inning even if there's a really critical situation in the seventh.) Is it always, always, automatically better to have those X number of minutes later in the game? Or what if keeping the player in extends the lead to 12 or 15 before she fouls out and thus assures victory?

In this particular case, how valuable would Cambage's 11 seconds have been with three minutes left, or one minute? You still only got 11 seconds out of her, no matter when ...

Of course, one argument goes that as players tire, they are more likely to foul, so you take them out to make sure they don't foul because of fatigue. But Cambage had only played 23 minutes, so it doesn't make sense that it was a fatigue foul.

You see this more and more in the NBA, where players aren't coming out when they pick up two early fouls, especially in crucial games. (For coaches, sometimes those early fouls in the regular season are an opportunity to a) rest players who don't want to rest, and b) give backups minutes when the game is still in spin.)



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BG haters are all over her when she doesn't rebound -- note that Cambage had 3 rebounds in 23:05, while Griner had 5 in 27:10. Where's the outrage?

Now, as for leaving Cambage in with that fifth foul. So the received wisdom is that you take someone out with 8 minutes to go and an eight-point lead, as presumably you only have X number of minutes left before foul number six is called.

The question, then, is when do you want those X number of minutes? (This is similar to the closer debate in baseball, about always saving the closer until the ninth inning even if there's a really critical situation in the seventh.) Is it always, always, automatically better to have those X number of minutes later in the game? Or what if keeping the player in extends the lead to 12 or 15 before she fouls out and thus assures victory?

In this particular case, how valuable would Cambage's 11 seconds have been with three minutes left, or one minute? You still only got 11 seconds out of her, no matter when ...

Of course, one argument goes that as players tire, they are more likely to foul, so you take them out to make sure they don't foul because of fatigue. But Cambage had only played 23 minutes, so it doesn't make sense that it was a fatigue foul.

You see this more and more in the NBA, where players aren't coming out when they pick up two early fouls, especially in crucial games. (For coaches, sometimes those early fouls in the regular season are an opportunity to a) rest players who don't want to rest, and b) give backups minutes when the game is still in spin.)


Some people try to convince themselves that Griner is not a 1st teamer. The amount of times someone has “outplayed” her according to this board is astonishing.


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ClayK wrote:
BG haters are all over her when she doesn't rebound -- note that Cambage had 3 rebounds in 23:05, while Griner had 5 in 27:10. Where's the outrage?

Likely not much outrage to be found, since most people don't overreact to one game that goes against a general trend. Do you think they should?



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