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Who will win this game?
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PostPosted: 06/05/18 4:40 pm    ::: Sun @ Liberty - 6/07/18 Reply Reply with quote

White Plains, NY - 7:00 PM ET
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Gonna be a rough one for the Liberty.



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 6:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Just a suggestion... can the win poll not be posted until after both teams have played their previous game ?


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The Sun's game plan is to ignite the the flame on top of the statute of Liberty. This will let Dolan know how hot women's basketball fans are with him on trying to sell the New York Liberty. Burn baby, burn! Twisted Evil



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 11:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Lib please win.



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 12:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Prince and Stokes are listed as out for this game.



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 12:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The Sun's game plan is to ignite the the flame on top of the statute of Liberty. This will let Dolan know how hot women's basketball fans are with him on trying to sell the New York Liberty. Burn baby, burn! Twisted Evil


I find this statement quite puzzling. Are lots of women's basketball fans angry at Dolan for trying to sell the New York Liberty? I detest Dolan as much as anyone and I'm proud to have given him the nickname "Hideous Lord Jimmy." But I'm NOT angry that he's trying to sell the team.

Dolan helped create a sickening culture of sexual harassment in the offices of Madison Square Garden. He has defended, bankrolled, and publicly lied for his BFF, Isiah Thomas. I hope Dolan sells the Liberty and the Knicks as well.

Of course as a Liberty fan I fear that the team could possibly fold, that it could be moved thousands of miles away, that it could be bought by new owners who can't or won't spend the money to have the team play in a venue far better than Westchester County Center. Nevertheless, I will be thrilled when Hideous Lord Jimmy no longer has any connection to my team.



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 12:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is clearly a "be careful what you wish for...." situation.


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PostPosted: 06/07/18 1:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sellout ?



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 2:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is there a possibility the team folds tho? I mean, does the league want to lose the New York market, really? I don't believe any league wants that to be honest...


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It’s certainly worth pointing out that when Kiah has either been out altogether (late 2016, early 2018) or ineffective for physical reasons (early to mid 2017) the team record has been well under .500. In her own way, the record indicates Stokes’ value to the team is enormous.

Without her, and with Vaughn really struggling, I think the Libs have a major problem that they have to otherwise figure out. Without an interior presence this team in my eyes is clearly sub .500. Or maybe 17-17 at best.

If Stokes has a long-term injury the problem is I don’t know where you find a replacement. I’d look into Boyette and yes I think the situation (without Stokes) is that dire.



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chapulana wrote:
Is there a possibility the team folds tho? I mean, does the league want to lose the New York market, really? I don't believe any league wants that to be honest...


I Doubt they fold chances are more likely they could be moving to somewhere else.



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 3:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Sellout ?


Only if enough Sun fans make the trip down Rolling Eyes



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Sellout ?


Only if enough Sun fans make the trip down Rolling Eyes


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Adding to my comment above. I think it’s time for Zahui to start.



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Adding to my comment above. I think it’s time for Zahui to start.


Laughing Laughing May i ask what brings you to this conclusion ? Is it the 1 game she produced that brings these thoughts ? Next week she will be on cutting block again with the liberty fans . Each week there's a new player in the Dog house and a new Favorite on this squad . Its understandable with the situation the team is in right now that the fans have some sort of post stress trauma . Every wrong move means get rid of them , but when they produce they should start Laughing Laughing



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Adding to my comment above. I think it’s time for Zahui to start.


Laughing Laughing May i ask what brings you to this conclusion ? Is it the 1 game she produced that brings these thoughts ? Next week she will be on cutting block again with the liberty fans . Each week there's a new player in the Dog house and a new Favorite on this squad . Its understandable with the situation the team is in right now that the fans have some sort of post stress trauma . Every wrong move means get rid of them , but when they produce they should start Laughing Laughing


That is the Divine Right of Sports Fans.


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Randy wrote:
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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Adding to my comment above. I think it’s time for Zahui to start.


Laughing Laughing May i ask what brings you to this conclusion ? Is it the 1 game she produced that brings these thoughts ? Next week she will be on cutting block again with the liberty fans . Each week there's a new player in the Dog house and a new Favorite on this squad . Its understandable with the situation the team is in right now that the fans have some sort of post stress trauma . Every wrong move means get rid of them , but when they produce they should start Laughing Laughing


That is the Divine Right of Sports Fans.


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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Adding to my comment above. I think it’s time for Zahui to start.


Laughing Laughing May i ask what brings you to this conclusion ? Is it the 1 game she produced that brings these thoughts ? Next week she will be on cutting block again with the liberty fans . Each week there's a new player in the Dog house and a new Favorite on this squad . Its understandable with the situation the team is in right now that the fans have some sort of post stress trauma . Every wrong move means get rid of them , but when they produce they should start Laughing Laughing


Uhhh. No? Have you watched the Liberty play? Maybe because Stokes is out and Zahui scored more points in the last 16 minutes than Vaughn has all season? And Vaughn’s D and rebounding also are terrible?

Can you name one thing that Vaughn is better at than Zahui at this point? I can’t. And I’m hardly sold on Zahui. She’s the best of a terrible situation.

Plus history shows than Zahui’s performance is more proportionately effective in games where she’s guaranteed minutes. Her two best games this year were in Stokes’ absence. In 2016 her best game was in Tina’s absence. The best game of her career. The only one she’s started for NY.



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Looking forward to this game. I want the Sun to set.

Hopefully Katie Smith remembers how to play Alyssa Thomas.



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Adding to my comment above. I think it’s time for Zahui to start.


Laughing Laughing May i ask what brings you to this conclusion ? Is it the 1 game she produced that brings these thoughts ? Next week she will be on cutting block again with the liberty fans . Each week there's a new player in the Dog house and a new Favorite on this squad . Its understandable with the situation the team is in right now that the fans have some sort of post stress trauma . Every wrong move means get rid of them , but when they produce they should start Laughing Laughing


Uhhh. No? Have you watched the Liberty play? Maybe because Stokes is out and Zahui scored more points in the last 16 minutes than Vaughn has all season? And Vaughn’s D and rebounding also are terrible?

Can you name one thing that Vaughn is better at than Zahui at this point? I can’t. And I’m hardly sold on Zahui. She’s the best of a terrible situation.

Plus history shows than Zahui’s performance is more proportionately effective in games where she’s guaranteed minutes. Her two best games this year were in Stokes’ absence. In 2016 her best game was in Tina’s absence. The best game of her career. The only one she’s started for NY.


Well vaughn is currently coming off her Turkish league season and has only played like 1 or 2 games ? Zauhi has been here the entire season so far and has only produced 1 good game Laughing Laughing . At least allow Kia to get the jetlag off before you decide to throw her away Laughing If you dont want her we will take her , Vaughn for Cayla George ?



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Not sure why you keep saying one good game. Her first game was even better than her the last one imo.



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JJ and Chiney starting.



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Not sure why you keep saying one good game. Her first game was even better than her the last one imo.


This is why i keep saying one good game below , IMO.

Here's the break down

Game 1 = 15 pts 7 Rebs
Game 2 = 4 Pts 5 Rebs
Game 3 = 2 Pts 0 rebs
Game 4 = 0 pts 2 rebs
Game 5 = 9 Pts 8 Rebs along with a season high of 5 Turnovers.


So id say 1 good game . Those 5 turnovers could have been 10 to 15 pts extra for the Libs in that PHX loss . Possibly why coach smith did not re-insert her after the BG scruffle.



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Vaughn with 3 Pts 2 Rebs & 3 Assist early on so far , Still wanna trade her for Cayla George ? Laughing



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Liberty running well so far. A Thomas with two quick early fouls.



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Lexie Brown nails a three.



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Sun living by the 3 this game.



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Zahui B playing well and Katie takes her out. Rolling Eyes Coleman at the 4 now!?!?!?



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Please add me to those who believe that Zahui B should start. And it isn't just the fact that Zahui B has been playing better than Vaughn, though she surely has. Zahui B is young and can still improve. Vaughn is near the end of her career.



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Zahui B playing well and Katie takes her out. Rolling Eyes Coleman at the 4 now!?!?!?


Good move that time. CT was playing small again. It stabilized NY after CT got running. Zahui gave solid minutes too though, on both ends. I like her energy.

Hartley’s PG play has been steadily improving, that terrible start to the third quarter last game not withstanding. She still holds her dribble too much but considering she isn’t a true PG, the 3:1 ATO looks ok right now. She’s playing really well tonight.

CT came out really flat tonight. They’re too explosive not to make a run at us. Hopefully we hold them off.



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Please add me to those who believe that Zahui B should start. And it isn't just the fact that Zahui B has been playing better than Vaughn, though she surely has. Zahui B is young and can still improve. Vaughn is near the end of her career.


Her youth was another part that I was thinking but failed to mention. And honestly, I think we’d both agree no matter who starts we want Zahui getting her share of minutes either way. I know we think alike in that way in general.

Also in relation to the general discussion of who should be in or out, Katie’s substitutions have been working well tonight. Boyd gave energy vs. the CT sub guards. Going small stabilized the team after CT cut the lead to 3.



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FYI for the people who didn’t see, Stokes is in a boot. It’s her left foot. Anybody remember if it was also the left foot last time?



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18 assists 2 TO for NY in the first half.



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Here comes Zahui!



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Bob Lamm wrote:
Please add me to those who believe that Zahui B should start. And it isn't just the fact that Zahui B has been playing better than Vaughn, though she surely has. Zahui B is young and can still improve. Vaughn is near the end of her career.


Now based off this i would agree . Im still waiting to give Vaughn about 2 or 3 more games before she comes off the starting line up.



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How long has the Liberty had those verdigris color home uniforms, or are they something new? Also, do they use verdigris accent color on the MSG court for Liberty games? My memory is failing.
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Tina is gassed.



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This small lineup makes no sense. CT has a plethora of offensive rebounds since.



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Damn!!! Tina was gassed in the fourth. Should've given Zahui B more minutes. And that small line-up has yet to work out for us. When will Katie realize this?



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Katie Smith really doesn't trust Zahui B. I think that's becoming increasingly obvious as we see Coleman-at-the-4 lineups and Vaughn at 5 in crunch time, whatever the hell may have happened at any other point during games.



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Well, Katie Smith is losing close games.



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I would’ve been fine with Vaughn even. That lineup made zero sense. Jones got several offensive rebounds just by reaching over everyone. Absurd. I’m not happy. That lineup might work with a healthy, fresh team. Not with an undermanned, undersized tired one. As soon as Coleman subbed in I said to my buddy, against Jones and Chiney? Young, fast legs against a gassed Tina and an aging undersized Coleman. Come on man.



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Charles shouldn't have played 37 minutes tonight. Or any night. This needs to stop now. 32 minutes max for Tina.



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On the obvious level, the Liberty lost because of a great three-point shot by Stricklen at the buzzer. On a deeper level, I'd say the Liberty lost because Connecticut got 16 offensive rebounds. And because New York doesn't have a #2 scorer they can count on.

Kia Nurse may be that player in time, but that's too much of a burden to put on a rookie who has now played exactly six WNBA games. And I don't see anyone else on the roster who can be counted on to be the reliable #2 scorer that the team needs.

Last season, not counting Brittany Boyd's two games averaging 13 PPG, the team's second-leading scorer was Epiphanny Prince at 12.0 PPG. Shavonte Zellous averaged 11.7 PPG, Sugar Rodgers 10.5. Not good enough.



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NY was in it because CT missed 10 FTs, shooting a horrendous 14-24, 58%.



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Katie Smith really doesn't trust Zahui B. I think that's becoming increasingly obvious as we see Coleman-at-the-4 lineups and Vaughn at 5 in crunch time, whatever the hell may have happened at any other point during games.


There has to be concern about when Kiah Stokes will get healthy, whether she can stay healthy, and how well she'll play even if she is healthy. What's clear is that playing Coleman at the 4 and Vaughn at the 5 in crunch time is a recipe for failure. I'm not saying that Katie Smith SHOULD trust Zahui B. yet in those situations. But I believe she has to try it a bit and see what happens.

It's a tough combination to have a rookie head coach and a roster with one star, many other players with various talents and weaknesses, and in many cases no obvious answers as to when, how, and how much to use them. If Bill Laimbeer had the current roster, I believe he'd still be trying to figure this out. Even harder for Katie Smith in her first season in this role.



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On the obvious level, the Liberty lost because of a great three-point shot by Stricklen at the buzzer. On a deeper level, I'd say the Liberty lost because Connecticut got 16 offensive rebounds. And because New York doesn't have a #2 scorer they can count on.

Kia Nurse may be that player in time, but that's too much of a burden to put on a rookie who has now played exactly six WNBA games. And I don't see anyone else on the roster who can be counted on to be the reliable #2 scorer that the team needs.

Last season, not counting Brittany Boyd's two games averaging 13 PPG, the team's second-leading scorer was Epiphanny Prince at 12.0 PPG. Shavonte Zellous averaged 11.7 PPG, Sugar Rodgers 10.5. Not good enough.


It felt like CT had 10 of those offensive rebounds in the fourth quarter.



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