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PostPosted: 06/05/18 12:43 pm    ::: WNBA All Star Game 2018 Reply Reply with quote

http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/23704390/wnba-all-star-game-ditches-east-vs-west-format-favor-captains-choosing-their-respective-rosters-july-28-competition-minneapolis-target-center

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The WNBA All-Star vote is among players, coaches, media, and fans, with 22 players picked without regard to conference affiliation. The top two vote-getters will be deemed captains, and then each will select who is on her team from the rest of the pool.



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 12:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Isn't this what they did with the NBA All Star game?



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 12:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Isn't this what they did with the NBA All Star game?
Yes.



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 12:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So - how about a poll: Who should be the two captains?

(I'd do it, but I don't know how to do a poll, or if I am even permitted to.)


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PostPosted: 06/05/18 1:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So - how about a poll: Who should be the two captains?

(I'd do it, but I don't know how to do a poll, or if I am even permitted to.)

Well it'll be the two highest vote-getters. So, like, Shoni Schimmel and Kara Braxton, something like that, right? Wink



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 1:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well, I'll say Moore is a lock as one of the captains (home team leading vote better). Then probably Taurasi or Delle Donne.



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 1:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I elect Moore and Wilson as captains. Smile



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 1:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Isn't this what they did with the NBA All Star game?


And NHL ditched the concept. Which means it's clearly the right choice.


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PostPosted: 06/05/18 1:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Well, I'll say Moore is a lock as one of the captains (home team leading vote better). Then probably Taurasi or Delle Donne.


They should make sure the voting is rigged so that they can get two good rivals like Taurasi and Moore or maybe Griner and Fowles. Or better yet - Griner and Glory Johnson. Razz


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PostPosted: 06/05/18 1:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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toad455 wrote:
Well, I'll say Moore is a lock as one of the captains (home team leading vote better). Then probably Taurasi or Delle Donne.


They should make sure the voting is rigged so that they can get two good rivals like Taurasi and Moore or maybe Griner and Fowles.

Griner and Glory Johnson? Wink



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 1:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You beat me to it, before I edited it.


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PostPosted: 06/05/18 1:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Taurasi And Diggins-Smith
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PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Most likely will be Bird & Taurasi or Bird and Moore . somehow Sue continues to get votes Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
toad455 wrote:
Well, I'll say Moore is a lock as one of the captains (home team leading vote better). Then probably Taurasi or Delle Donne.


They should make sure the voting is rigged so that they can get two good rivals like Taurasi and Moore or maybe Griner and Fowles. Or better yet - Griner and Glory Johnson. Razz


Maybe Angel and Lori Ann



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That means new ASG jerseys! Nike probably will do the same boring unis as the NBA All-star game with the team logos in the front. Just switch the colors to oatmeal and black Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 2:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Crazy some of us posters were just talking about this yesterday ! Laughing Laughing



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PostPosted: 06/05/18 6:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I hope, unlike the NBA, they televise the captains picking players


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PostPosted: 06/19/18 1:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

All Star voting is live!



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PostPosted: 06/19/18 2:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Voting was bit tougher this year , so many good players. But i had to select who i believed deserved it . So Natasha Howard & Aja Wilson but got Votes ahead of Maya & Sylvia Laughing Laughing Im sure this wont happen in real life but might as well get some new blood



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PostPosted: 06/19/18 5:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wasn't easy to pick 10. I still picked based on positions, not just top 10. I went with

G: Diggins-Smith
G: Taurasi
G: Loyd
G: C. Gray
F: Stewart
F: N. Ogwumike
F: Charles
F: Howard
C: Cambage
C: Griner

Charles is my only Eastern Conference player I voted for.



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PostPosted: 06/19/18 6:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm not voting. Elections are a bad idea. They can turn out terribly wrong. Besides, I want all my players to get some time off.


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PostPosted: 07/05/18 1:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Leaders in fan voting so far
http://www.wnba.com/news/maya-moore-elena-delle-donne-lead-after-first-returns-of-all-star-voting/

1) Maya Moore (MIN) 25,496
2) Elena Delle Donne (WAS) 24,152
3) Candace Parker (LA) 21,136
4) Diana Taurasi (PHX) 20,460
5) Sue Bird (SEA) 20,362
6) Breanna Stewart (SEA) 19,354
7) A’ja Wilson (LV) 18,768
8) Sylvia Fowles (MIN) 17,843
9) Skylar Diggins-Smith (DAL) 16,177
10) Nneka Ogwumike (LA) 16,103
11) Brittney Griner (PHX) 15,386
12) Seimone Augustus (MIN) 12,145
13) Lindsay Whalen (MIN) 9,889
14) Jewell Loyd (SEA) 9,818
15) Chiney Ogwumike (CON) 9,452
16) Chelsea Gray (LA) 9,403
17) Tina Charles (NY) 9,268
18) Rebekkah Brunson (MIN) 8,940
19) Liz Cambage (DAL) 8,680
20) Alana Beard (LA) 6,458
21) Natasha Howard (SEA) 6,315
22) DeWanna Bonner (PHX) 6,005
23) Angel McCoughtry (ATL) 5,672
24) Kayla McBride (LV) 5,524
25) Victoria Vivians (IND) 5,420
26) Kristi Toliver (WAS) 5,061
27) Kia Nurse (NY) 4,998
28) Odyssey Sims (LA) 4,772
29) Gabby Williams (CHI) 4,467
30) Allisha Gray (DAL) 4,235
31) Diamond DeShields (CHI) 4,186
32) Tiffany Hayes (ATL) 4,120
33) Candice Dupree (IND) 4,078
34) Jonquel Jones (CON) 3,514
35) Cecilia Zandalasini (MIN) 3,452
36) Alyssa Thomas (CON) 3,281
37) Allie Quigley (CHI) 3,233
38) Kelsey Plum (LV) 3,196
39) Jasmine Thomas (CON) 3,155
40) Kelsey Mitchell (IND) 3,134



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PostPosted: 07/05/18 1:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Not bad.

You get down to Augustus and Whalen at 12 and 13 to find a bad choice by the fans.


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Cambage needs more votes. 19th? Where's the Aussie voters? Wings voters? Diggins has twice as many votes, can't her fans also vote for fellow teammate and MVP contender Cambage?



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PostPosted: 07/05/18 2:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

LOL @ Augustus, Whalen, Brunson, & Beard being in the top 22.


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PostPosted: 07/05/18 2:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Cambage and Diggins should be All-Star starters....and Diamond should be an All-Star reserve at the very least.


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PostPosted: 07/05/18 2:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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...and Diamond should be an All-Star reserve at the very least.

Yeah, sub-40% shooting on a bad team that can't defend just screams all-star.



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Richyyy wrote:
zune69 wrote:
...and Diamond should be an All-Star reserve at the very least.

Yeah, sub-40% shooting on a bad team that can't defend just screams all-star.


Diamond's shooting 39.6% from the field.That's better than Bird and McCoughtry.She has a 54% TFG% and is averaging 5.1 rpg.Diamond's also one of the better defenders at her position........If Diamond's not a All-Star reserve at SF,then who is?...Zellous?...Currie?...Stricklen?...Vivians?

And Diamond's only getting better

Last 5 gms:18.6p/5.6p/42%/32%/85%




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Richyyy wrote:
zune69 wrote:
...and Diamond should be an All-Star reserve at the very least.

Yeah, sub-40% shooting on a bad team that can't defend just screams all-star.


Diamond , Kelsey and Aja should all be all stars this year.



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Richyyy wrote:
zune69 wrote:
...and Diamond should be an All-Star reserve at the very least.

Yeah, sub-40% shooting on a bad team that can't defend just screams all-star.


Diamond's shooting 39.6% from the field.That's better than Bird and McCoughtry.She has a 54% EFG% and is averaging 5.1 rpg.Diamond's also one of the better defenders at her position........If Diamond's not a All-Star reserve at SF,then who is?...Zellous?...Currie?...Stricklen?...Vivians?

And Diamond's only getting better

Last 5 gms:18.6p/5.6p/42%/32%/85%

Bird is also leading the league in assists while running the best offense in the WNBA. McCoughtry's been shooting like shit all season, no argument there. DeShields's eFG% is actually a much more pedestrian .448, by the way, good for 93rd in the league by my count. I assume you were looking at her TS%, where her .537 gets her all the way up to 64th.

There's no need to force small forwards in if you can't find them. The league is just taking the top 22 after putting the four voting groups together, and even the coaches/players/media are just being asked to pick 9 guards and 13 frontcourt. DeShields isn't even all that close.



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The new format probably hurts Diamond........I can see Augustus getting voted in over DD....That would really piss me off.

To Be Continued...


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Yeah, we can both agree that Augustus getting in would be pretty silly (although not as ridiculous as Whalen).

For what it's worth, I may have gone too far with "isn't even all that close" for DeShields. She's not top-13 in the frontcourt, but she might sneak into something like top-20. There's just a limited amount of choices. 22 players make the all-star team, and if we say that - at max - the starters and best bench player per team are just about viable candidates, that gets us to 72 options. 22 out of 72 is 31% of the realistic candidates are 'all-stars'. It's a pretty big net.

(cut it to just starters being meaningful candidates and it's 22 of 60, or 37%)



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3 from the East in the top 22.


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Richyyy wrote:
zune69 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
zune69 wrote:
...and Diamond should be an All-Star reserve at the very least.

Yeah, sub-40% shooting on a bad team that can't defend just screams all-star.


Diamond's shooting 39.6% from the field.That's better than Bird and McCoughtry.She has a 54% EFG% and is averaging 5.1 rpg.Diamond's also one of the better defenders at her position........If Diamond's not a All-Star reserve at SF,then who is?...Zellous?...Currie?...Stricklen?...Vivians?

And Diamond's only getting better

Last 5 gms:18.6p/5.6p/42%/32%/85%

Bird is also leading the league in assists while running the best offense in the WNBA. McCoughtry's been shooting like shit all season, no argument there. DeShields's eFG% is actually a much more pedestrian .448, by the way, good for 93rd in the league by my count. I assume you were looking at her TS%, where her .537 gets her all the way up to 64th.

There's no need to force small forwards in if you can't find them. The league is just taking the top 22 after putting the four voting groups together, and even the coaches/players/media are just being asked to pick 9 guards and 13 frontcourt. DeShields isn't even all that close.


Also if we are going to pick out the last 5 games then Bird is almost averaging a double double:

Bird last 5 games:
9,2 pts and 10 assists per game (1,8 TO's) on 47% from the field and 38% from behind the arc Wink



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So based on the fan voting if these are the 22 selected it would be:

MN - 5
SEA - 4
LA- 4
PHX - 3
DA - 2
NY 1
LV 1
DC 1
CT 1


16 players from 4 teams (MN,LA, SEA, PHX), 16 from West 3 from East. 9 teams represented, 3 teams not represented.


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Dan Hughes and Sandy Brondello will be the team head coaches.



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LOL @ Augustus, Whalen, Brunson, & Beard being in the top 22.


I think there are som advantages of being on certain teams. Wink



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If ridiculous people do end up getting in, them being from the home team wouldn't be a bad thing. Home town players for the fans to cheer for can only help the atmosphere.

(and to be fair, any Lynx who get in who might not deserve it this year are legends who've earned the 'legacy' pick as much as anyone. It's not like the Lynx equivalent of Schimmel is going to get in)



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The new format probably hurts Diamond........I can see Augustus getting voted in over DD....That would really piss me off.

To Be Continued...


You are vouching for the wrong Sky guard. Diamond is going to be a regular All-Star for years to come so I have no issue with her not making it this year.


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Richyyy wrote:
If ridiculous people do end up getting in, them being from the home team wouldn't be a bad thing. Home town players for the fans to cheer for can only help the atmosphere.

(and to be fair, any Lynx who get in who might not deserve it this year are legends who've earned the 'legacy' pick as much as anyone. It's not like the Lynx equivalent of Schimmel is going to get in)


You’re right, I forgot the game was in Minnesota this year. And I guess it wouldn’t be a bad thing for Whalen, Augustus, and Brunson to get the hometown vote especially if Whalen and Brunson are considering retirement.

But Beard? Confused


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sigur3 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
The new format probably hurts Diamond........I can see Augustus getting voted in over DD....That would really piss me off.

To Be Continued...


You are vouching for the wrong Sky guard. Diamond is going to be a regular All-Star for years to come so I have no issue with her not making it this year.


I Got ahead of myself...My original comment about Diamond was made before I knew the complete details about the new format......And in no way was I trying to diminish the good offensive season A.Quigley is having...I just think Quigley's going to have a tough time making the team,especially if Augustus,Whalen,and Brunson get voted in.

Point Guard:
Diggins
Bird
Vandersloot
Gray

SG/SF:
Moore
Taurasi
Loyd
McBride
Bonner
McCoughtry
Hayes
Quigley

PF/C:
Griner
Fowles
Cambage
Parker
EDD
Stewart
Wilson
N,Ogwumike
C.Ogwumike
Charles

That's 22 players...now we just have to make room for Whalen,Augustus,and Brunson Rolling Eyes ....There's going to be a lot of angry fans if more than two Lynx players make the All-Star team.

BTW...DeShields/Howard are 23rd/24th in scoring.Both are very good rebounders and defenders.


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I looked at the first voting results and started playing with an appropriate draft. After a few picks I noticed a pattern that could make for an interesting game with natural rooting interests for fans. I suggest that the team headed by Maya Moore consist of all the available UConn and Lynx players. Two players were added to get to 11, The other team would have everyone else. These would be the rosters:


UConn/Minnesota Lynx

Starters
PG Sue Bird
SG Diana Taurasi
SF Maya Moore
PF Breanna Stewart
C Sylvia Fowles

Reserves

PG Lindsay Whalen
SG Simone Augustus
SF DaWonna Bonner
PF Tina Charles
C Liz Cambage
PF Rebekkah Brunson


Three To See Plus 8

Starters
PG Skyler Diggins
SG Jewel Loyd
SF Elena Delle Donne
PF Nneka Ogwumike
C Brittney Griner

Reserves
PG Chelsea Gray
SG Alana Beard
SF Angel McCoughtry
PF A'ja Wilson
C Candace Parker
PF Chiney Ogwumike

These selections represent the top 22 vote getters in the early voting. I substituted Angel McCoughtry (23) for Natasha Howard (21) because of position.


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Backcourt
Taurasi
Diggins
McBride
Toliver
C. Gray
Hayes
Bird
Quigley
Vandersloot

Frontcourt
Moore
Delle Donne
Stewart
Griner
Charles
Parker
Fowles
Cambage
Wilson
Ogwumike x2
Bonner
Howard


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Shades wrote:
Dan Hughes and Sandy Brondello will be the team head coaches.


Do you know how that was determined? Feels like a miss on many levels to not have the championship coach on the sidelines when it’s in Minnesota for the first time ever


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Shades wrote:
Dan Hughes and Sandy Brondello will be the team head coaches.


Do you know how that was determined? Feels like a miss on many levels to not have the championship coach on the sidelines when it’s in Minnesota for the first time ever


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PostPosted: 07/13/18 6:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'd have:

(*Starter)
TEAM A
C. Gray*
Taurasi*
Delle Donne*
Charles*
Griner*
Toliver
Bird
Loyd
Bonner
Howard
Fowles

TEAM B
Diggins-Smith*
Moore*
Wilson*
Stewart*
Cambage*
Quigley
DeShields
McBride
Candace Parker
N. Ogwumike
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Even mediocre Angel McCoughtry is a top 20 player, it will be absurd for her to not be in the all-star game.


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Even mediocre Angel McCoughtry is a top 20 player, it will be absurd for her to not be in the all-star game.


Hayes is putting up better numbers then her so and is having a better season overall so i would have her over Angel.
And the Dream havent been great so multiple players in the ASG is not a must IMO.



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I'd have:

(*Starter)
TEAM A
C. Gray*
Taurasi*
Delle Donne*
Charles*
Griner*
Toliver
Bird
Loyd
Bonner
Howard
Fowles

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Diggins-Smith*
Moore*
Wilson*
Stewart*
Cambage*
Quigley
DeShields
McBride
Candace Parker
N. Ogwumike
C. Ogwumike


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PostPosted: 07/15/18 10:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
Even mediocre Angel McCoughtry is a top 20 player, it will be absurd for her to not be in the all-star game.


Hayes is putting up better numbers then her so and is having a better season overall...

I mean, unless you're using "better numbers" as a euphemism for "scores more points," that's not actually true. Hayes is averaging more points, but McCoughtry is averaging more everything else.

It's a little like saying that Courtney Williams is "putting up better numbers" than Alyssa Thomas: it's only true if you think that only one of the 'numbers' counts.



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