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PostPosted: 05/22/18 8:37 pm    ::: 2018 TV Ratings Reply Reply with quote

The Los Angeles-Minnesota game averaged 297,000 viewers. College Softball was on before the game and averaged 304,000 viewers while the Washington-Minnesota softball game afterwards averaged 396,000 viewers.
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PostPosted: 05/25/18 8:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Los Angeles-Connecticut game averaged 221,000 viewers. It was a busy day on ESPN for women's sports. The Kentucky-Oregon softball game after the WNBA averaged 240,000 viewers. Over on ESPN, Texas A&M-Florida averaged 463,000 viewers and then Arizona-UCLA averaged 370,000 viewers.
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PostPosted: 05/25/18 11:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Just want to mention those softball games are tournament games.


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PostPosted: 05/26/18 1:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Also want to mention the Sparks vs. Sun game came on at 4pm pacific time. Working people on the west coast like myself were still at work when the game started.



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PostPosted: 05/26/18 10:56 am    ::: Re: 2018 TV Ratings Reply Reply with quote

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The Los Angeles-Minnesota game averaged 297,000 viewers.


Biggest ESPN2 season opener since 2013. Biggest regular season game since 2014.



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PostPosted: 06/04/18 8:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Phoenix-Minnesota averaged 277,000 viewers.

It was a women's sports day again on Friday as ESPN had the winner's bracket games of the College World Series. Oklahoma-Washington averaged 864,000 viewers, UCLA-Florida averaged 774,000 viewers and the studio show between the games averaged 716,000 viewers. Both games had pretty favorable female-male ratios at the 18-49 and 12-34 levels too.
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https://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2018/06/espn2-scores-with-wnba-audience-up-58-in-2018-up-26-overall-vs-2017/

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Through three games, ESPN2’s audience for the 2018 WNBA season is up 58% on ESPN2 compared to the first three games on ESPN2 in 2017



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 3:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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https://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releases/2018/06/espn2-scores-with-wnba-audience-up-58-in-2018-up-26-overall-vs-2017/

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Through three games, ESPN2’s audience for the 2018 WNBA season is up 58% on ESPN2 compared to the first three games on ESPN2 in 2017


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PostPosted: 06/07/18 4:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

58% seems pretty significant. Might be enough to demand higher broadcast fees.



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 4:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

They needs to find something positive to report on since attendance is almost guaranteed to be down this year and likely worse next season.



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 4:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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They needs to find something positive to report on since attendance is almost guaranteed to be down this year and likely worse next season.


Why worse next season ? NY could be out so our attendance problems could be resolved easily . Or they might be moved elsewhere that has enough paying fans to support at least 5,000 a night ? Embarassed



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 4:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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They needs to find something positive to report on since attendance is almost guaranteed to be down this year and likely worse next season.


Why worse next season ? NY could be out so our attendance problems could be resolved easily . Or they might be moved elsewhere that has enough paying fans to support at least 5,000 a night ? Embarassed


DC will be moving to a smaller arena next year, I believe. Dream are scheduled to return to Phillips arena, so they may be a boost, but probably less than the DC drop. If NY moves to a bigger place it the league numbers could increase in 2019 year over year.


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PostPosted: 06/07/18 5:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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toad455 wrote:
They needs to find something positive to report on since attendance is almost guaranteed to be down this year and likely worse next season.


Why worse next season ? NY could be out so our attendance problems could be resolved easily . Or they might be moved elsewhere that has enough paying fans to support at least 5,000 a night ? Embarassed


Unless the Liberty land in a bigger arena, the league may only average 6K next year. Seattle moves to a temp. location and Mystics to their new 4,200 seat arena.



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PostPosted: 06/07/18 5:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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58% seems pretty significant. Might be enough to demand higher broadcast fees.


2017 had the lowest WNBA ESPN ratings ever.


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PostPosted: 06/07/18 6:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

TV ratings are important but don't expect any type of financial boon from them. If anything (and this has nothing to do with the WNBA IN ANY WAY) expect them to perhaps decline (or at best stay the same) after the latest contract is over several years from now. ESPN is a complete disaster for many reasons and the blood letting and culling is still going on over there.


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PostPosted: 06/08/18 9:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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TV ratings are important but don't expect any type of financial boon from them. If anything (and this has nothing to do with the WNBA IN ANY WAY) expect them to perhaps decline (or at best stay the same) after the latest contract is over several years from now. ESPN is a complete disaster for many reasons and the blood letting and culling is still going on over there.


The WNBA desperately needs ESPN to be profitable, and to agree to another similar contract when this one expires.

I'm reasonably confident both will occur ... but the landscape is changing very, very rapidly.



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PostPosted: 06/08/18 10:00 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Id hope no one tuned in for last nights sleepwalker.



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PostPosted: 06/08/18 8:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Seattle-Los Angeles averaged 204,000 viewers.

The NCAA Track and Field Championships that preceded the broadcast, nearly exclusively featuring women's events, averaged 377,000 viewers. A US Women's Soccer National Team exhibition averaged 247,000 viewers around the same time.
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PostPosted: 06/09/18 8:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Absolutely. Paying each team 1 million USD a year is not why ESPN is having trouble. They can keep that up forever and basically break even in these regards. Considering some of the other events they put on ESPN2 (like Angry Ocelot Shaving or Crazy Coupon Clipping challenges) the WNBA more than holds its own on ESPN2. The concern is that there are speculations that ESPN2 will go off the air in the next couple years, as the station as a whole is proving to be very unprofitable and the bottom line is getting worse by the day. IF ESPN2 goes off the air would there be time slots available on ESPN regular for WNBA games? I'm not sure of that. I don't think another major network would pick them up either. Lifetime tried and it was not a good result for them. Of course the FS regional channels would be more than happy to broadcast the games but would they be able/willing to pay 1 million per team per year? They are not working with anywhere near as deep as pockets as ESPN (Disney). The times they are a changing. Who would have thought twenty years ago we would be talking about the disaster that ESPN is? Guys across America lived for SPORTSCENTER.


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PostPosted: 06/09/18 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would totally watch Angry Ocelot Shaving. As long as the ocelot is given a fair chance.



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PostPosted: 06/09/18 10:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I got that idea off of a MAD Magazine article that was making fun of ESPN's questionable programming choices many years ago.


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PostPosted: 06/10/18 11:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There are other markets for the WNBA: FS1, NBCSN, the second CBS channel.

I would imagine at least one of those network affiliated outlets will stick around, and the WNBA is relatively cheap programming during a time when the only competition is baseball, a hugely regional sport.

And it is hard for me to see ESPN going from four or five outlets to just one, though stranger things have happened.



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PostPosted: 06/10/18 3:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

josephkramer44 wrote:
I got that idea off of a MAD Magazine article that was making fun of ESPN's questionable programming choices many years ago.


As The Simpsons have shown many times, some of the things you can jokingly predict, will actually come true.

I’m old enough to remember in the late-60’s when Rowan & Martin’s Laugh-In one had a sketch called “News Of The Future”. The audience laughed at the suggestion that Ronald Reagan (who was then the Governor Of California) would be President and the Berlin Wall would come down.



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PostPosted: 06/14/18 8:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Washington-Connecticut averaged 218,000 viewers.
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PostPosted: 06/25/18 7:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

New York-Las Vegas averaged 164,000 viewers.

The preceding Canadian Football League game on ESPN2 averaged 159,000 viewers. Over on FS1, the season debut of BIG3 averaged 173,000 viewers.
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PostPosted: 06/26/18 9:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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New York-Las Vegas averaged 164,000 viewers.

The preceding Canadian Football League game on ESPN2 averaged 159,000 viewers. Over on FS1, the season debut of BIG3 averaged 173,000 viewers.


Actually, I consider outdrawing an odd form of football an accomplishment.



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PostPosted: 06/29/18 8:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Los Angeles-Seattle averaged 378,000 viewers.

Lead-ins matter as the final game of the College World Series averaged 1,890,000 viewers.
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http://www.wnba.com/news/espn2-posts-highest-wnba-overnight-rating-for-a-regular-season-game-since-2011/

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ESPN2’s presentation of the Seattle Storm vs. the Los Angeles Sparks on Thursday, June 28, was the highest-rated, regular-season WNBA game on ESPN2 since 2011



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PostPosted: 07/02/18 11:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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http://www.wnba.com/news/espn2-posts-highest-wnba-overnight-rating-for-a-regular-season-game-since-2011/

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ESPN2’s presentation of the Seattle Storm vs. the Los Angeles Sparks on Thursday, June 28, was the highest-rated, regular-season WNBA game on ESPN2 since 2011


The top five markets included: Portland, Ore. (2.5), Seattle-Tacoma (1.2), Memphis (1.1), New Orleans (0.9), and Louisville (0.9).


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pilight wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/espn2-posts-highest-wnba-overnight-rating-for-a-regular-season-game-since-2011/

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ESPN2’s presentation of the Seattle Storm vs. the Los Angeles Sparks on Thursday, June 28, was the highest-rated, regular-season WNBA game on ESPN2 since 2011


The top five markets included: Portland, Ore. (2.5), Seattle-Tacoma (1.2), Memphis (1.1), New Orleans (0.9), and Louisville (0.9).


And only one has a team. If that is normal for Portland perhaps they should get a team.


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Randy wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
pilight wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/espn2-posts-highest-wnba-overnight-rating-for-a-regular-season-game-since-2011/

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ESPN2’s presentation of the Seattle Storm vs. the Los Angeles Sparks on Thursday, June 28, was the highest-rated, regular-season WNBA game on ESPN2 since 2011


The top five markets included: Portland, Ore. (2.5), Seattle-Tacoma (1.2), Memphis (1.1), New Orleans (0.9), and Louisville (0.9).


And only one has a team. If that is normal for Portland perhaps they should get a team.


Been there done that , they did not support Or shall i say Blazer management did not support . I remember some decent crowds back in the hay at the Rose Garden.



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PostPosted: 07/02/18 12:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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And only one has a team. If that is normal for Portland perhaps they should get a team.

We had a team. Once.


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Randy wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
pilight wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/espn2-posts-highest-wnba-overnight-rating-for-a-regular-season-game-since-2011/

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ESPN2’s presentation of the Seattle Storm vs. the Los Angeles Sparks on Thursday, June 28, was the highest-rated, regular-season WNBA game on ESPN2 since 2011


The top five markets included: Portland, Ore. (2.5), Seattle-Tacoma (1.2), Memphis (1.1), New Orleans (0.9), and Louisville (0.9).


And only one has a team. If that is normal for Portland perhaps they should get a team.


They may have tuned in to watch Mercedes Russell.

SEA vs LVA on ESPN2 could be the next record breaker.



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They may have tuned in to watch Mercedes Russell.

Sydney Wiese is a much bigger star here in Oregon. I honestly didn't even know Russell was born in Springfield before the Storm signed her.




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Randy wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
pilight wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/espn2-posts-highest-wnba-overnight-rating-for-a-regular-season-game-since-2011/

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ESPN2’s presentation of the Seattle Storm vs. the Los Angeles Sparks on Thursday, June 28, was the highest-rated, regular-season WNBA game on ESPN2 since 2011


The top five markets included: Portland, Ore. (2.5), Seattle-Tacoma (1.2), Memphis (1.1), New Orleans (0.9), and Louisville (0.9).


And only one has a team. If that is normal for Portland perhaps they should get a team.


Almost certainly due to Oregon State playing in (and winning) the College World Series game beforehand. Little Rock and Fort Smith are too small markets for this data set, but the game probably rated well there too.
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PostPosted: 07/02/18 9:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah - viewers watch the game before, then leave the TV on, and go do something else.


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My parents actually watched the game and they normally don't. But they were browsing and saw it on and decided to watch. I think this may be the first time that ever happened. I have taken them to a few Storm games in the past and they liked it, and they like basketball, especially Wisconsin men's college ball.



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Yeah - viewers watch the game before, then leave the TV on, and go do something else.


I read that when Nielson sets a household up for monitoring for ratings purposes, they make it so that falling asleep on the couch or leaving the room won't create false ratings. Each member of the household gets a remote control that they have to point at the Nielson box and click every so often to show that they are present and awake.


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Yeah - viewers watch the game before, then leave the TV on, and go do something else.


I read that when Nielson sets a household up for monitoring for ratings purposes, they make it so that falling asleep on the couch or leaving the room won't create false ratings. Each member of the household gets a remote control that they have to point at the Nielson box and click every so often to show that they are present and awake.


Yes, they get a lot of money to make the most precise system possible.

The baseball game averaged a 9.1 in the Portland market so it was most likely higher at the end of the game when the title was clinched. If it was at a 10.0 (very conservative) at that point, it would be the equivalent of all of the households tuning in to 25 minutes of the 103 minutes that the basketball game was shown. 12.5 might be conservative too, but that would be around 20 minutes of basketball on average for each house before changing the channel or turning off the TV.

In other comparative numbers, the NBA Summer League games on NBATV on Monday averaged 204,000 then 228,000 then 190,00 viewers. BIG3 averaged 921,000 viewers in their bump up to FOX broadcast.
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I wonder if the overrun of the baseball game (first 15 minutes) may have actually been captured for the WNBA game. Using a 10 rating for the first segment of 8 would bump up the overall WNBA game rating by over a point. The 15 minute breakdowns would be intriguing.


As for Portland being a potential WNBA site, it was already tried and didn't go well. The Fire burned out quickly.


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I wonder if the overrun of the baseball game (first 15 minutes) may have actually been captured for the WNBA game. Using a 10 rating for the first segment of 8 would bump up the overall WNBA game rating by over a point. The 15 minute breakdowns would be intriguing.


As for Portland being a potential WNBA site, it was already tried and didn't go well. The Fire burned out quickly.


Due to management mostly , they actually had nice crowds when the big teams came in town (Houston, NY , LA & Sacto )



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As for Portland being a potential WNBA site, it was already tried and didn't go well. The Fire burned out quickly.

The Fire was averaging better attendance than the Storm when Paul Allen pulled the plug on the team due to his self-inflicted financial mess and the league changing the franchise agreement.


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The Fire averaged over 8k in all three of their seasons. Sucks the former Blazers ownership pulled the plug. The ABL's Portland Power also drew well, though not in the 8k range. Their was a short rumor that the MLS' Timbers(who also own the NWSL's Thorns) were interested in a WNBA franchise, but nothing has resurfaced recently.



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I wonder if the overrun of the baseball game (first 15 minutes) may have actually been captured for the WNBA game. Using a 10 rating for the first segment of 8 would bump up the overall WNBA game rating by over a point. The 15 minute breakdowns would be intriguing.


As for Portland being a potential WNBA site, it was already tried and didn't go well. The Fire burned out quickly.


Yeah, I forget which rules apply for which type of ratings so that may be the case. PR people will always use the highest numbers they have. The real point is that this Portland number is definitely impacted by baseball.

On Tuesday, Summer League games on NBATV averaged 172,000 then 132,000 then 160,000 viewers. The ESPN2 game on at the same time as that middle game averaged 298,000 viewers.
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Los Angeles-Minnesota averaged 257,000 viewers.

On NBATV, Summer League games averaged 131,000 then 91,000 then 113,000 then 169,000 viewers.
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Why Are WNBA TV Ratings Rising?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2018/07/09/why-are-wnba-tv-ratings-rising/#5616f1916f83

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So far this season, the WNBA has seen a 36 percent increase in viewership in adults age 18 to 49, a 29 percent jump in men in that age group and a 50 percent increase in women. Through June, WNBA games on ESPN2 are averaging 250,000 viewers, a 39 percent improvement from last year and the best start for the league since 2013. The June 28 game between the Sparks and the Seattle Storm drew 378,000 viewers. It was the most watched regular season WNBA game on ESPN2 since 2011.



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PostPosted: 07/09/18 10:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think the twitter @Shea Serrano connection may explain some of the rise - but maybe it is also due to the games being broadcast on twitter. They had a of people looking at the games - maybe some of them are sticking around and looking at television broadcasts.


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The video game aspect really reached out to the younger generation and i think they are starting to pay a bit more attention. Not a lot , but a little more than usual .



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I think the twitter @Shea Serrano connection may explain some of the rise - but maybe it is also due to the games being broadcast on twitter. They had a of people looking at the games - maybe some of them are sticking around and looking at television broadcasts.


Also, gambling. The W has apparently done very well on Fan Duel.



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Good point on the gamblers. For a while it was easy to win on Fan Duel, then the serious gamblers seemed to have figured it out.


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