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lethalweapon3
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Posted: 07/03/18 9:47 am ::: |
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Why did the Sun abruptly quit posting Game Notes after June 5? The last one had a pdf the prior-game boxscore (w/ attendance) in it.
http://sun.wnba.com/notes/
EDIT: Also just noticing each of the Game Notes from May 26 through June 5 (five of them in all) posted the same grainy PDF boxscore from the May 20 home game against Las Vegas. Somebody quit or got canned, I suppose?
Has anyone asked Ned Griffen, who covers the Sun for The Day (@MetalNED) what's going on internally with attendance tracking?
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pilight
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Posted: 07/03/18 10:00 am ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
Still needing the attendance for the June 13 Mystics @ Sun game. odd it hasn't been reported anywhere. |
It was really nice looking crowd on espn im surprised still no reports. |
Just went through my usual sources(.com, ESPN, Yahoo!) and it's still listed as N/A. |
Still no reported attendance for the June 13 game @ Connecticut. Might have to insert the # as zero(0). |
The attendance for the June 13th game @ Connecticut was 5650.
https://statsdmz.nba.com/pdfs/20180613/20180613_WASCON.pdf
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Randy
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Posted: 07/03/18 10:23 am ::: |
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Sun attendance might be better if they had any home games. From June 1 to July 7 the sun will have had 13 road games and 3 home games. You would think if they own the arena they could get a better schedule.
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toad455
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Posted: 07/03/18 12:58 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
Still needing the attendance for the June 13 Mystics @ Sun game. odd it hasn't been reported anywhere. |
It was really nice looking crowd on espn im surprised still no reports. |
Just went through my usual sources(.com, ESPN, Yahoo!) and it's still listed as N/A. |
Still no reported attendance for the June 13 game @ Connecticut. Might have to insert the # as zero(0). |
The attendance for the June 13th game @ Connecticut was 5650.
https://statsdmz.nba.com/pdfs/20180613/20180613_WASCON.pdf |
Thanks pilight. Can't believe .com still doesn't have it listed.
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toad455
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Posted: 07/03/18 6:21 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
Still needing the attendance for the June 13 Mystics @ Sun game. odd it hasn't been reported anywhere. |
It was really nice looking crowd on espn im surprised still no reports. |
Just went through my usual sources(.com, ESPN, Yahoo!) and it's still listed as N/A. |
Still no reported attendance for the June 13 game @ Connecticut. Might have to insert the # as zero(0). |
The attendance for the June 13th game @ Connecticut was 5650.
https://statsdmz.nba.com/pdfs/20180613/20180613_WASCON.pdf |
pilight, any chance you have the attendance from the June 24 game Minnesota @ Las Vegas?
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pilight
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Posted: 07/03/18 7:07 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
Still needing the attendance for the June 13 Mystics @ Sun game. odd it hasn't been reported anywhere. |
It was really nice looking crowd on espn im surprised still no reports. |
Just went through my usual sources(.com, ESPN, Yahoo!) and it's still listed as N/A. |
Still no reported attendance for the June 13 game @ Connecticut. Might have to insert the # as zero(0). |
The attendance for the June 13th game @ Connecticut was 5650.
https://statsdmz.nba.com/pdfs/20180613/20180613_WASCON.pdf |
pilight, any chance you have the attendance from the June 24 game Minnesota @ Las Vegas? |
I don't. The official boxscore says "Not yet counted".
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toad455
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Posted: 07/03/18 7:31 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
Still needing the attendance for the June 13 Mystics @ Sun game. odd it hasn't been reported anywhere. |
It was really nice looking crowd on espn im surprised still no reports. |
Just went through my usual sources(.com, ESPN, Yahoo!) and it's still listed as N/A. |
Still no reported attendance for the June 13 game @ Connecticut. Might have to insert the # as zero(0). |
The attendance for the June 13th game @ Connecticut was 5650.
https://statsdmz.nba.com/pdfs/20180613/20180613_WASCON.pdf |
pilight, any chance you have the attendance from the June 24 game Minnesota @ Las Vegas? |
I don't. The official boxscore says "Not yet counted". |
Thanks. just trying to get the numbers finally posted.
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toad455
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Posted: 07/03/18 8:01 pm ::: |
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Up to & including games from July 1. The Minnesota @ Las Vegas game on June 24 has been added and the overall average updated. League hitting rock bottom with a lot of 4k & 5k games the past week.
RANK. TEAM(# games) - 2018 Average [+/- 2017 Average)
1. Los Angeles Sparks(9) - 10,158 (-1,192)
2. Phoenix Mercury(7) - 9,802 (-111)
3. Minnesota Lynx(7) - 9,239 (-1,168)
4. Seattle Storm(11) - 6,749 (-955)
5. Connecticut Sun(6) - 5,931 (-797)
6. Chicago Sky(9) - 5,923 (-660)
7. Indiana Fever(10) - 5,662 (-1,876)
8. Washington Mystics(10) - 5,572 (-2,199)
9. Las Vegas Aces(8) - 5,531 (-753)
10. Dallas Wings(7) - 4,840 (+968)
11. Atlanta Dream(6) - 4,295 (-157)
12. New York Liberty(9) - 2,321 (-7,568)
WNBA AVERAGE(100) - 6,250 (-1,466)
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 07/03/18 8:07 pm ::: |
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Sucks everyone but my team has declined so far . Hopefully with more Camp days to go we see an increase. Just glad posters cant rag on my teams attendance as the hurtful ones now its obvious who's hurting the league the most right now .
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toad455
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Posted: 07/04/18 8:40 am ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
Sucks everyone but my team has declined so far . Hopefully with more Camp days to go we see an increase. Just glad posters cant rag on my teams attendance as the hurtful ones now its obvious who's hurting the league the most right now . |
I'm still hoping the Wings can finish with an average over 5k. I'd expect Phoenix and hopefully Atlanta to finish better than '18. Maybe Seattle of they keep getting 8k crowds. Sparks and Lynx should also start seeing frequent 10k crowds now.
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Randy
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Posted: 07/04/18 8:49 am ::: |
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Big drops by Lynx and Sparks. I guess fans got tired of the teams winning all the time. Storm, Sun and Mystics seem to prove winning doesn't help much. In fact, the only thing that seems to help attendance is having Cambage show up. She is clearly the WNBA MVP when it comes to putting fans in seats. Too bad there is only one of her to go around.
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toad455
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Posted: 07/04/18 11:36 am ::: |
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Thanks, I'll update the numbers tomorrow.
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Randy
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toad455
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Posted: 07/04/18 2:40 pm ::: |
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it may be tough to get to Mohegan Sun, but the arena differences between that and WCC are very different. Mohegan Sun arena is the exact type of arena WNBA teams wish to play in.
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Randy
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Posted: 07/04/18 2:50 pm ::: |
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Perhaps some of our overseas members will chime in, but from what little I've seen WCC looks a bit like some of the arenas in Europe where our players play.
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ClayK
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Posted: 07/04/18 3:26 pm ::: |
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One obvious change is the Mystics' attendance, which probably now reflects actual attendance instead of the fantasy numbers most teams use. The Mystics do have to justify downsizing, and by reporting semi-real attendance this year, they make it easier to move.
At the same time, the league can hand-wave away the decline in attendance this year by simply pointing at New York and ignoring all the other negatives, so maybe L.A. and Minnesota are trying to get away from padded numbers too.
Or, of course, franchises could be doing just what they did before and there really are a lot fewer people going to games ...
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toad455
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Posted: 07/05/18 7:16 am ::: |
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The Vegas # from June 24 has been added and the averages updated.
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 07/05/18 11:04 am ::: |
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19% decline midway through the season is a bad sign. |
The 2017 numbers are from the entire 2017 season.
Attendance went up in the second half last year, and I expect this year to be the same.
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Randy
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Posted: 07/05/18 11:14 am ::: |
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One thing that seems quite concerning is that even when teams move to smaller arenas attendance numbers end up being about half (if not less) than the arena capacity (of seats made available.) Even WCC is only coming in with about 1500 out of 2500. And this seems to have happened with other teams (including the Dream for that matter.) Going to smaller arenas doesn't seem to make for a more packed house - just a smaller half empty one. It will be interesting to see what happens when the Mystics move to the smaller arena.
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toad455
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Posted: 07/05/18 12:42 pm ::: |
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Yes, attendance always starts to increase after July 4. School's are out, plus camp days become frequent for all teams. Hoping the 6,250 average is the lowest the league will get for the remainder of the season.
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Posted: 07/05/18 7:18 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
Up to & including games from July 1. The Minnesota @ Las Vegas game on June 24 has been added and the overall average updated. League hitting rock bottom with a lot of 4k & 5k games the past week.
RANK. TEAM(# games) - 2018 Average [+/- 2017 Average)
1. Los Angeles Sparks(9) - 10,158 (-1,192)
2. Phoenix Mercury(7) - 9,802 (-111)
3. Minnesota Lynx(7) - 9,239 (-1,168)
4. Seattle Storm(11) - 6,749 (-955)
5. Connecticut Sun(6) - 5,931 (-797)
6. Chicago Sky(9) - 5,923 (-660)
7. Indiana Fever(10) - 5,662 (-1,876)
8. Washington Mystics(10) - 5,572 (-2,199)
9. Las Vegas Aces( - 5,531 (-753)
10. Dallas Wings(7) - 4,840 (+968)
11. Atlanta Dream(6) - 4,295 (-157)
12. New York Liberty(9) - 2,321 (-7,568)
WNBA AVERAGE(100) - 6,250 (-1,466) |
Here are the number from your 2017 thread for games to June 28. Bold are increased from last year at this time (excludes a few with really small changes). Most of the rest are pretty close. The biggest change is the the league avg is down by 737, only about half as much as the comparison to year end shows (-1466 above). Haven't done the math, but NY's change has to be responsible for a lot of that. So things aren't quite as bad as they look.
Rank. Team(# home games) - 2017 Average - (+/- 2016 Final Average)
1. Los Angeles Sparks(6) - 9,584 (-54)
2. Phoenix Mercury(6) - 9,357 (-995)
3. Minnesota Lynx(6) - 9,193 (-73)
4. New York Liberty( - 9,025 (-700)
5. San Antonio Stars(6) - 6,781 (+396)
6. Seattle Storm( - 6,756 (-474)
7. Indiana Fever(7) - 6,675 (-1,900)
8. Washington Mystics( - 6,326 (-603)
9. Chicago Sky(7) - 6,081 (-928)
10. Connecticut Sun(5) - 5,963 (+126)
11. Atlanta Dream(4) - 4,291 (-1,324)
12. Dallas Wings( - 3,674 (-1,624)
WNBA Average(79) - 6,987 (-667)
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Posted: 07/06/18 2:14 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
The Vegas # from June 24 has been added and the averages updated. |
What was the attendance for that game?
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