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PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Even if Las Vegas were/finished 4-30, those Power Rankings include 10 players and A'ja should be in, at least in the 8-10 rank IMO.


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PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Has the MVP ever been on a losing team?


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Randy wrote:
Has the MVP ever been on a losing team?


no, but in 2007 Lauren Jackson won the award with the Storm only finishing 17-17.



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PostPosted: 06/03/18 12:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
Has the MVP ever been on a losing team?


Lauren Jackson has won MVP three times, twice on 18-16 teams and once on a 17-17 team. She has flirted the most with breaking the “winning team” guideline. I assume MVP can’t be on a losing team, but I’m not sure that’s a written rule. In the case of Wilson, if LVA greatly improves their record from when they were last SAN, maybe that’ll be enough, especially if the media panel are tired of giving it to a usual candidate.



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PostPosted: 06/03/18 1:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Lol @ Nneka. Oh em gee with all the candidates this year. Lobo must be slipping 20's to the interns


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PostPosted: 06/03/18 1:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If A'ja Wilson is statistically a top player in the league, and you are convinced the Aces would flirt with being the worst team (record-wise) of all time without her, which would confirm those stats aren't "empty", all the more power having her as a fringe MVP candidate.


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PostPosted: 06/03/18 1:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is there much 'value' in being 8-26 instead of 3-31? Ah, the ago old questions of award-giving.



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PostPosted: 06/03/18 2:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Is there much 'value' in being 8-26 instead of 3-31? Ah, the ago old questions of award-giving.


They stunk before Wilson, and are currently stinking with her. Yes, she’s been great but no legitimate MVP candidate should be on a bottom feeding team, no matter how good one individual player has been, imo.


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PostPosted: 06/03/18 4:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A'ja Wilson is almost definitely the rookie of the year, but she is far from MVP. She is scoring because there are no other scoring options on the team. She is subpar defensively. She is the best player on the second worst team. She should be an all-star, but with Griner, Parker, Fowles, Cambage, Ogwumike and Stewart it may even be tough to find a spot as a C/PF on the West.

Give her (and Laimbeer) time to build a team around her and maybe she can be in the MVP discussion, but she isn't there yet.


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PostPosted: 06/03/18 6:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Has the MVP ever been on a losing team?


Lauren Jackson has won MVP three times, twice on 18-16 teams and once on a 17-17 team. She has flirted the most with breaking the “winning team” guideline. I assume MVP can’t be on a losing team, but I’m not sure that’s a written rule. In the case of Wilson, if LVA greatly improves their record from when they were last SAN, maybe that’ll be enough, especially if the media panel are tired of giving it to a usual candidate.


2010?

Wilson might not even be an allstar this season with Stewart, Cambage, Griner, Nneka and probably Parker



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PostPosted: 06/03/18 9:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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A'ja Wilson is almost definitely the rookie of the year, but she is far from MVP. She is scoring because there are no other scoring options on the team.


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PostPosted: 06/03/18 9:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Has the MVP ever been on a losing team?


Lauren Jackson has won MVP three times, twice on 18-16 teams and once on a 17-17 team. She has flirted the most with breaking the “winning team” guideline. I assume MVP can’t be on a losing team, but I’m not sure that’s a written rule. In the case of Wilson, if LVA greatly improves their record from when they were last SAN, maybe that’ll be enough, especially if the media panel are tired of giving it to a usual candidate.


2010?

Wilson might not even be an allstar this season with Stewart, Cambage, Griner, Nneka and probably Parker

With balanced schedule and league-wide playoff format it's a nonsense that being in the wrong 'conference' could keep someone out of the All-Star game anyway. Conferences essentially don't exist. Vote the best players league-wide and then pick teams.



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PostPosted: 06/03/18 9:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

the "realer" real list j/k (not really) (no one from a below .500 team)

1. C. Gray
2. A. Thomas
3. J. Loyd
4. N. Ogwumike
5. D. Taurasi
6. E. Cambage
7. B. Stewart
8. A. Bentley
9. K. Nurse
10. D. Deshields

11. The entire Mystics team and Mike T.
12. C. Miller for bringing J. Jones off the bench and making it work




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Shades wrote:
Lauren Jackson has won MVP three times, twice on 18-16 teams and once on a 17-17 team


Jackson won in 2003 for an 18-16 team, 2007 for a 17-17 team, and 2010 for a 28-6 team.



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PostPosted: 06/03/18 10:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Has the MVP ever been on a losing team?


Lauren Jackson has won MVP three times, twice on 18-16 teams and once on a 17-17 team. She has flirted the most with breaking the “winning team” guideline. I assume MVP can’t be on a losing team, but I’m not sure that’s a written rule. In the case of Wilson, if LVA greatly improves their record from when they were last SAN, maybe that’ll be enough, especially if the media panel are tired of giving it to a usual candidate.


2010?

Wilson might not even be an allstar this season with Stewart, Cambage, Griner, Nneka and probably Parker

With balanced schedule and league-wide playoff format it's a nonsense that being in the wrong 'conference' could keep someone out of the All-Star game anyway. Conferences essentially don't exist. Vote the best players league-wide and then pick teams.


I like this idea but who picks & who decides the pool of players to pick from?



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PostPosted: 06/03/18 10:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Wilson might not even be an allstar this season with Stewart, Cambage, Griner, Nneka and probably Parker


I’d vote for Wilson over any of them. I think a lot of people will. People love rookies and she’s killing it.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Randy wrote:
Has the MVP ever been on a losing team?


Lauren Jackson has won MVP three times, twice on 18-16 teams and once on a 17-17 team. She has flirted the most with breaking the “winning team” guideline. I assume MVP can’t be on a losing team, but I’m not sure that’s a written rule. In the case of Wilson, if LVA greatly improves their record from when they were last SAN, maybe that’ll be enough, especially if the media panel are tired of giving it to a usual candidate.


2010?

Wilson might not even be an allstar this season with Stewart, Cambage, Griner, Nneka and probably Parker

With balanced schedule and league-wide playoff format it's a nonsense that being in the wrong 'conference' could keep someone out of the All-Star game anyway. Conferences essentially don't exist. Vote the best players league-wide and then pick teams.


I like this idea but who picks & who decides the pool of players to pick from?


Would probably end up showing how badly distributed the talent in the WNBA really is. I could see only 2 to 4 east players making the ASG - Charles, Angel, and 1 or 2 from the Sun, maybe EDD if she is healthy (though she has never actually played in an ASG yet, if my memory is correct, and if not I'm someone will correct it.)


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PostPosted: 06/04/18 1:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Voting Wilson over Cambage, Nneka, Parker, Griner, AND Stewart? Laughing Laughing


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I guess some people still aren’t familiar with the concept of the All-Star game. You vote for the players you wanna see there, not necessarily the consensus most deserving players. How silly would it be for a Lynx fan to vote for Sparks or Phoenix players, especially considering the All-Star game is coming to Minneapolis? Laughing



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Shades wrote:
I guess some people still aren’t familiar with the concept of the All-Star game. You vote for the players you wanna see there, not necessarily the consensus most deserving players. How silly would it be for a Lynx fan to vote for Sparks or Phoenix players, especially considering the All-Star game is coming to Minneapolis? Laughing


My point was that Wilson might not even be an allstar let alone having a chance at MVP because there is so much talent at her position



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Shades wrote:
I guess some people still aren’t familiar with the concept of the All-Star game. You vote for the players you wanna see there, not necessarily the consensus most deserving players. How silly would it be for a Lynx fan to vote for Sparks or Phoenix players, especially considering the All-Star game is coming to Minneapolis? :lol:


This is one of the problems with All-Star games, and All-Star voting. I would much rather have the All-Star game be for the players who have earned the distinction through superior play that season. Being an All-Star should mean something other than being popular.


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calbearman76 wrote:
Shades wrote:
I guess some people still aren’t familiar with the concept of the All-Star game. You vote for the players you wanna see there, not necessarily the consensus most deserving players. How silly would it be for a Lynx fan to vote for Sparks or Phoenix players, especially considering the All-Star game is coming to Minneapolis? Laughing


This is one of the problems with All-Star games, and All-Star voting. I would much rather have the All-Star game be for the players who have earned the distinction through superior play that season. Being an All-Star should mean something other than being popular.

Especially considering 'X All-Star appearances' is used as an accolade and indication of how good someone was when looking back at their career. The unwarranted appearances make that less accurate than it otherwise might be.

The most entertaining part of the all-star nonsense every year is the debate over who ought to get in. Far more so than any of the actual 'festivities', including the terrible game.



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calbearman76 wrote:
Shades wrote:
I guess some people still aren’t familiar with the concept of the All-Star game. You vote for the players you wanna see there, not necessarily the consensus most deserving players. How silly would it be for a Lynx fan to vote for Sparks or Phoenix players, especially considering the All-Star game is coming to Minneapolis? Laughing


This is one of the problems with All-Star games, and All-Star voting. I would much rather have the All-Star game be for the players who have earned the distinction through superior play that season. Being an All-Star should mean something other than being popular.

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Richyyy wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
Shades wrote:
I guess some people still aren’t familiar with the concept of the All-Star game. You vote for the players you wanna see there, not necessarily the consensus most deserving players. How silly would it be for a Lynx fan to vote for Sparks or Phoenix players, especially considering the All-Star game is coming to Minneapolis? Laughing


This is one of the problems with All-Star games, and All-Star voting. I would much rather have the All-Star game be for the players who have earned the distinction through superior play that season. Being an All-Star should mean something other than being popular.

Especially considering 'X All-Star appearances' is used as an accolade and indication of how good someone was when looking back at their career. The unwarranted appearances make that less accurate than it otherwise might be.

The most entertaining part of the all-star nonsense every year is the debate over who ought to get in. Far more so than any of the actual 'festivities', including the terrible game.

X _______________


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http://www.wnba.com/news/race-to-mvp-week-3-ogwumike-griner-remain-on-top/

1. Nneka Ogwumike, Los Angeles Sparks
Last Week: 1
2. Brittney Griner, Phoenix Mercury
Last Week: 2
3. Breanna Stewart, Seattle Storm
Last Week: 4
4. Chelsea Gray, Los Angeles Sparks
Last Week: 5
5. Alyssa Thomas, Connecticut Sun
Last Week: 9
6. Jewell Loyd, Seattle Storm
Last Week: 6
7. Tina Charles, New York Liberty
Last Week: 7
8. Sylvia Fowles, Minnesota Lynx
Last Week: 3
9. Liz Cambage, Dallas Wings
Last Week: 10
10. Diana Taurasi, Phoenix Mercury
Last Week: Unranked


I would...
*Bump Stewart to #1
*Flip Thomas and Gray, although Thomas needs to get up above 15 ppg
*Charles, Fowles, and Cambage should shoot up if their teams can rise above 0.500
*Give Wilson some recognition



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Taurasi and Cambage both should be above Fowles right now..



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Taurasi and Cambage both should be above Fowles right now..


Agreed im not understanding why Cambage continues to get overshadowed this early in the season . Charles with 21.2 FGA per game and averaging 23 PPG shouldn't be above cambage in my opinion.



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How is Griner #2?!?!?



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Umm...where's Diggins?.....6th in scoring...4th in asst......Taurasi and Fowles shouldn't even be on the list.....Remove Taurasi/Fowles...add Diggins/Bonner.

People continue to underrate Bonner......There's only 2 players in the league that are top 25 in pts,reb,asst,stls & blks(Bonner,Stewart)......A.Thomas is very close...she came up short by 0.4 stls Razz


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PostPosted: 06/07/18 4:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Lauren Jackson has won MVP three times, twice on 18-16 teams and once on a 17-17 team


Jackson won in 2003 for an 18-16 team, 2007 for a 17-17 team, and 2010 for a 28-6 team.


True this. And you may recall that Lisa Leslie had a hissy when LJ won and the Storm did NOT make the playoffs in one of the years she got MVP. She didn't think that the MVP should be given to someone on a team not making the playoffs.


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Fighting Artichoke wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
Shades wrote:
I guess some people still aren’t familiar with the concept of the All-Star game. You vote for the players you wanna see there, not necessarily the consensus most deserving players. How silly would it be for a Lynx fan to vote for Sparks or Phoenix players, especially considering the All-Star game is coming to Minneapolis? Laughing


This is one of the problems with All-Star games, and All-Star voting. I would much rather have the All-Star game be for the players who have earned the distinction through superior play that season. Being an All-Star should mean something other than being popular.

Especially considering 'X All-Star appearances' is used as an accolade and indication of how good someone was when looking back at their career. The unwarranted appearances make that less accurate than it otherwise might be.

The most entertaining part of the all-star nonsense every year is the debate over who ought to get in. Far more so than any of the actual 'festivities', including the terrible game.

X _______________


I take issue with votes going to players who aren't playing at all due to injury. I love my fave players, but if they're out an extended period AND will not be able to play in All-Star game, I won't vote for them.


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http://www.wnba.com/news/race-to-mvp-week-4-stewart-continues-climbing-the-ladder/

Quote:
We’re now a quarter of the way through the season, and there are two clear-cut favorites (early) in the MVP race. With the way the season is going in Connecticut, it may be difficult for any of the Sun stars to win this award, mainly because of their depth and balance. That could leave the door open for Brittney Griner or Breanna Stewart.



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pilight wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/race-to-mvp-week-4-stewart-continues-climbing-the-ladder/

Quote:
We’re now a quarter of the way through the season, and there are two clear-cut favorites (early) in the MVP race. With the way the season is going in Connecticut, it may be difficult for any of the Sun stars to win this award, mainly because of their depth and balance. That could leave the door open for Brittney Griner or Breanna Stewart.


Alyssa Thomas at #3? Seriously?

Oh and Diggins is not on the list. Someone got paid to make that top 10?


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pilight wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/race-to-mvp-week-4-stewart-continues-climbing-the-ladder/


1. Brittney Griner, Phoenix Mercury
Last Week: 2
2. Breanna Stewart, Seattle Storm
Last Week: 3
3. Alyssa Thomas, Connecticut Sun
Last Week: 5
4. Nneka Ogwumike, Los Angeles Sparks
Last Week: 1
5. Tina Charles, New York Liberty
Last Week: 7
6. Jewell Loyd, Seattle Storm
Last Week: 6
7. Chelsea Gray, Los Angeles Sparks
Last Week: 4
8. Diana Taurasi, Phoenix Mercury
Last Week: 10
9. Liz Cambage, Dallas Wings
Last Week: 9
10. Sylvia Fowles, Minnesota Lynx
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http://www.wnba.com/news/race-to-mvp-week-4-stewart-continues-climbing-the-ladder/

Quote:
We’re now a quarter of the way through the season, and there are two clear-cut favorites (early) in the MVP race. With the way the season is going in Connecticut, it may be difficult for any of the Sun stars to win this award, mainly because of their depth and balance. That could leave the door open for Brittney Griner or Breanna Stewart.


This list is a joke.



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The league's leading scorer is not one of the 10(!) top candidates?


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toad455 wrote:
pilight wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/race-to-mvp-week-4-stewart-continues-climbing-the-ladder/

Quote:
We’re now a quarter of the way through the season, and there are two clear-cut favorites (early) in the MVP race. With the way the season is going in Connecticut, it may be difficult for any of the Sun stars to win this award, mainly because of their depth and balance. That could leave the door open for Brittney Griner or Breanna Stewart.


This list is a joke.


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The league's leading scorer is not one of the 10(!) top candidates?

Probably because she's only third in assists.


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The league's leading scorer is not one of the 10(!) top candidates?

Probably because she's only fourth in assists.


Maybe he's trying to eliminate volume shooters as MVP's.
Nobody is under 42 in FG% on the list.



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Shades wrote:
Fighting Artichoke wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
The league's leading scorer is not one of the 10(!) top candidates?

Probably because she's only fourth in assists.


Maybe he's trying to eliminate volume shooters as MVP's.
Nobody is under 42 in FG% on the list.

FG% is honestly a dumb metric. Alyssa Thomas is 49.4% from the field, does that mean she's efficient? Hell no, she's the exact opposite of efficient, especially given her volume. Tina Charles has had like 2 efficient scoring seasons in her career, nobody cares.

And if efficiency is so important, Toliver should be somewhere on the list.


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From reading these comments it seems the collective wisdom of this group is that no one on the list should be there. Perhaps ten players should just be selected at random.


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Randy wrote:
From reading these comments it seems the collective wisdom of this group is that no one on the list should be there. Perhaps ten players should just be selected at random.


With the way Diggins has been playing and how bad the lynx have been there shouldnt be a reason that Fowles is on this list and Diggins isnt..



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From reading these comments it seems the collective wisdom of this group is that no one on the list should be there. Perhaps ten players should just be selected at random.


With the way Diggins has been playing and how bad the lynx have been there shouldnt be a reason that Fowles is on this list and Diggins isnt..

Hell, Wilson should be there over Fowles. Their teams have the same amount of wins...


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PostPosted: 06/14/18 5:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Aladyyn wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Randy wrote:
From reading these comments it seems the collective wisdom of this group is that no one on the list should be there. Perhaps ten players should just be selected at random.


With the way Diggins has been playing and how bad the lynx have been there shouldnt be a reason that Fowles is on this list and Diggins isnt..

Hell, Wilson should be there over Fowles. Their teams have the same amount of wins...


Boom , Surprised to say i Agree with Michelle on the Diggins assessment . I also agree Wilson should be on this list if Fowles is on here oddly .



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PostPosted: 06/14/18 5:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The league's leading scorer is not one of the 10(!) top candidates?

Probably because she's only fourth in assists.


Maybe he's trying to eliminate volume shooters as MVP's.
Nobody is under 42 in FG% on the list.

Seems like a rather arbitrary stat to use to eliminate someone. Why not consider the entire package? Diggins' TS% is higher than A. Thomas's, who the writer lists as 3rd on his list. Thomas has a PER of 16.3, whereas Diggins is at 22.8, so I guess she's doing something right.

Also, why did you change my post to demote Diggins to 4th in assists. On the WNBA site, it reads:

1. Bird 6.0
2. Gray 5.9
3. Diggins 5.8
4. J. Thomas 5.1

Where did you get your stats?


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PostPosted: 06/14/18 6:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Vandersloot is at 6.0, but I guess she doesn't have enough games played to qualify as one of the "leaders".



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PostPosted: 06/14/18 7:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Vandersloot is at 6.0, but I guess she doesn't have enough games played to qualify as one of the "leaders".


Qualifying standards




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PostPosted: 06/14/18 11:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

How about

1. Stewart
2. N. Ogwumike
3. Griner
4. Diggins-Smith
5. A. Thomas
6. L. Cambage
7. C. Gray
8. J. Loyd
9. D. Taurasi
10.T. Hayes

Maybe add EDD when she gets a few more games played

No one from a team below 500 ATM Maybe later if Wilson is averaging 20 and 10 and LV is close to even


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 1:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1. Diggins
2. Griner (she's a smidge worse than she was when healthy last year, still enough to contend for MVP though)
3. Stewart
4. Charles
5. N Ogwumike
6. Hayes
7. Cambage
8. Loyd
9. Wilson
10. Toliver (over Gray, yes I'm a homer Razz )


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