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PostPosted: 06/15/18 1:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

My Top 10:

1.Stewart
2.Griner
3.N.Ogwumike
4.A.Thomas
5.EDD
6.Loyd
7.Gray
8.Diggins
9.Hayes
10.Taurasi

1.The Name of the Award is “Most Valuable Player”....not “Most Outstanding Player”

2.I don’t agree with Diggins being left off the list.However,I wouldn’t put her in the top 5 just yet...Dallas should have a better record than .500.They have a 20p/10r post player.Skylar was in my top 5 last week(4-3 record)..but not this week.

3.Washington is 5-1 with EDD in the lineup.

4.A.Thomas is definitely an MVP candidate...She led Connecticut to a 5-0 start,and was top 15 in pts,rebs,asst,stls,and blks.

5.Charles/Wilson teams have sub .400 win percentages.Had to leave them off the list.


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 2:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Anyways, why choose Alyssa Thomas out of Connecticut? What makes her stand out? Because it's not the stats...


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 2:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote


* 32 game season
** 30 game season
*** 28 game season


I did the full research, so I no longer have to say “modern era”. This applies to all WNBA MVP’s.

No MVP has ever produced a lower FG% than 43.4 by Swoopes in 2002.
That seems like a fair standard or thereabouts.

No MVP has produced a season average lower than 15.5 ppg by Catchings in 2011.
That seems like a fair standard, maybe a little too fair.

No MVP has ever missed more than 3 games in their MVP season.
Seems like a very fair standard.

Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 3:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 3:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart


Diggins-Smith



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 3:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart


Diggins-Smith


She got taken out by Shades' FG% requirement



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 3:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart



Even if you were vetted on this, that seems like a clunky algorithm criteria. If a player edges out her double-double producing teammate in scoring, does that necessarily make her the best MVP candidate? What list do you get if you leave that one out?



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 3:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A Thomas is now averaging 12 pts per game (28th in the league in scoring). She def shouldnt be in the top 5 MVP candidates IMO anymore Confused



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 3:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The impact of some players goes far beyond stats(Catchings,Ford,etc)... Alyssa(and J.Thomas) is Connecticut's emotional leader.A.Thomas brings a level of toughness that impacts the game and breeds confidence.She's also put up terrific all-around numbers…..Any person that says 9.9 reb & 4.2 asst are weak should jump in a tire shredder…..Connecticut started 6-1 with A.Thomas leading the way.

Every season is different.Unwritten rules and standards are made to be broken.

If EDD plays 28 games,and Washington goes 23-5 in those games.Should EDD be eliminated from MVP consideration based on some unwritten rule?

IF Dallas wins 22 games,and Diggins avg 23p/6a/5r on 41% fg shooting….Should she be eliminated from the MVP voting because she only shot 41%?


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 3:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
The impact of some players goes far beyond stats(Catchings,Ford,etc)... Alyssa(and J.Thomas) is Connecticut's emotional leader.A.Thomas brings a level of toughness that impacts the game and breeds confidence.She's also put up terrific all-around numbers…..Any person that says 9.9 reb & 4.2 asst are weak should jump in a tire shredder…..Connecticut started 6-1 with A.Thomas led the way

Every season is different.Unwritten rules and standards are made to be broken.

If EDD plays 28 games,and Washington goes 23-5 in those games.Should EDD be eliminated from MVP consideration based on some unwritten rule?

IF Dallas wins 22 games,and Diggins avg 23p/6a/5r on 41% fg shooting….Should she be eliminated from the MVP voting because she only shot 41%?


Catchings won that award averaging 15 pts because of years of missing out on MVP awards and it was more a life time achievement award. A Thomas scoring average is dropping every week while Courtney Williams and J Thomas are getting better. So yes she deserved to be a candidate early on but now IMO her scoring average has dropped and other players are stepping up.

About Diggins, if you look at the previous MVP winners there are not many PG/SG's that win MVP. So you cant compare all those high FG's from those wings/drivers and postplayers on that list. So 42% from the field from a PG/SG who takes a lot of outside shots is fine by me for winning MVP. She has dropped to 39,8 right now and 30 from 3 so she has to improve that a bit.

About EDD, Mystics have 4 losses and 3 of them were without EDD. So that only proves how important she is for the team. So no IMO that doesnt hurt her MVP chances.



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 4:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

@ michelle89,


I agree....However,in all fairness to A.Thomas.Her recent struggles have coincided with the Sun going to a big lineup(Jones,Ogwumike,Thomas).....Last 3 games since lineup change:6.7p/7.7r/3.3a........Alyssa's going through an adjustment period right now.


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 4:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart



Even if you were vetted on this, that seems like a clunky algorithm criteria. If a player edges out her double-double producing teammate in scoring, does that necessarily make her the best MVP candidate? What list do you get if you leave that one out?


You add four players:

DeWanna Bonner
Liz Cambage
Jewell Loyd
Kristi Toliver



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 5:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart


Diggins-Smith


She got taken out by Shades' FG% requirement


Weak argument. Very weak, especially you presented two criteria and FG % was not among them.



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 6:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
pilight wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart


Diggins-Smith


She got taken out by Shades' FG% requirement


Weak argument. Very weak, especially you presented two criteria and FG % was not among them.


Lets just be glad its professionals making this decision and not any posters here Laughing



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 6:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You guys all do realize, I hope, that Karl Marx once said "Sports MVP debtates are the crystal meth of the masses."


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 6:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
You guys all do realize, I hope, that Karl Marx once said "Sports MVP debtates are the crystal meth of the masses."

Sounds too nihilistic for Marx. I thought that quote was attributed to Nietzsche.


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 6:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think most valuable player is too vague of a name.

Sometimes it means best player..sometimes it means biggest impact player with best stats...but I’m not sure it means most valuable.


For instance...I think it’s pretty obvious...and really showing itself now, that Whalen was the most valuable lynx player...even if she might have been the fourth or fifth best basketball player.



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PostPosted: 06/15/18 9:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It has been discussed forever but IMO

Most Valuable Player actually translates to Most Outstanding Player

And is almost always awarded to the player with the best stats (heavily waited by points per game) combined with the best record. An incredible stat line can override not being a tip top team, but an incredible stat line and being on a top team will guarantee you the award. (And player reputation and star quality can move the needle in a close debate and stats can be cherry picked to make or break an argument).

Games played might hurt EDD, FG % might hurt Diggins, but at the moment it is team record that will undo both of those players.


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PostPosted: 06/15/18 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And come next week C. Parker LA will be back on the list.


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readyAIMfire53 wrote:
pilight wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart


Diggins-Smith


She got taken out by Shades' FG% requirement


Weak argument. Very weak, especially you presented two criteria and FG % was not among them.


I didn't see the need to quote Shades' entire post. It was pretty obvious I was adding on to his criteria.



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Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart



Even if you were vetted on this, that seems like a clunky algorithm criteria. If a player edges out her double-double producing teammate in scoring, does that necessarily make her the best MVP candidate? What list do you get if you leave that one out?


Of course now you're picking and choosing among things that have always been characteristic of MVPs. I get that you're trying to exclude Diggins but include Cambage, but try to stick to a consistent standard.



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pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart



Even if you were vetted on this, that seems like a clunky algorithm criteria. If a player edges out her double-double producing teammate in scoring, does that necessarily make her the best MVP candidate? What list do you get if you leave that one out?


Of course now you're picking and choosing among things that have always been characteristic of MVPs. I get that you're trying to exclude Diggins but include Cambage, but try to stick to a consistent standard.


Not exactly trying to exclude anybody. Just pointing out the research on some of the more important indices. If a FG% below 40 has been shown to be unimportant, that would have been revealed, but it wasn’t. What’s not consistent?



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Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
Shades wrote:
Why should any of these standards be breached if it’s not necessary?
Catchings’ MVP may have been a sympathy award, but who needs sympathy this year?


No MVP has played for a losing team. Every MVP has been their team's leading scorer. Apply all those standards and you have four candidates remaining:

Brittney Griner
Tiffany Hayes
Nneka Ogwumike
Breanna Stewart



Even if you were vetted on this, that seems like a clunky algorithm criteria. If a player edges out her double-double producing teammate in scoring, does that necessarily make her the best MVP candidate? What list do you get if you leave that one out?


Of course now you're picking and choosing among things that have always been characteristic of MVPs. I get that you're trying to exclude Diggins but include Cambage, but try to stick to a consistent standard.


Not exactly trying to exclude anybody. Just pointing out the research on some of the more important indices. If a FG% below 40 has been shown to be unimportant, that would have been revealed, but it wasn’t. What’s not consistent?


Leading your team in scoring has been important to MVP voters. You want to dismiss that and only that among things that have been characteristic of MVPs.



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PostPosted: 06/16/18 1:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CP should be in mvp conversation.


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CP should be in mvp conversation.


Sparks did pretty well without her with Nneka and Gray leading the way. IMO too early for her to be in the top 10



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Michelle89 wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:
CP should be in mvp conversation.


Sparks did pretty well without her with Nneka and Gray leading the way. IMO too early for her to be in the top 10
Nneka & Gray were putting up mvp numbers when she wasnt playing you're right but she been doing the same recently & been playing better than them.


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Michelle89 wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:
CP should be in mvp conversation.


Sparks did pretty well without her with Nneka and Gray leading the way. IMO too early for her to be in the top 10


She's not even the MVP on her own team. She's third right now behind Gray and Ogwumike.



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toad455 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Libra_Girl wrote:
CP should be in mvp conversation.


Sparks did pretty well without her with Nneka and Gray leading the way. IMO too early for her to be in the top 10


She's not even the MVP on her own team. She's third right now behind Gray and Ogwumike.


Shes the MVP of her team that will never change.



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But she isnt a MVP candidate (top 10) yet at this point



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But she isnt a MVP candidate (top 10) yet at this point


She may be after tonight.



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But she isnt a MVP candidate (top 10) yet at this point


After tonight i expect her to.be in.the.top 10 for sure



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
But she isnt a MVP candidate (top 10) yet at this point


After tonight i expect her to.be in.the.top 10 for sure


And who are you going to drop for her? Was she better then Nneka or Gray in this game?



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Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
But she isnt a MVP candidate (top 10) yet at this point


After tonight i expect her to.be in.the.top 10 for sure


And who are you going to drop for her? Was she better then Nneka or Gray in this game?


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My top 10:

1. Cambage
2. Stewart
3. N. Ogwumike
4. Diggins-Smith
5. Griner
6. Taurasi
7. Loyd
8. C. Gray
9. Charles
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Hard to put Diggins and Cambage both in the top 5 when Dallas only has a 5-4 record....Both are top 10,but not the top 5.

Also,If we're going to put Parker on the list.Then an argument can be made for D.Bonner:

Parker-16.6p/6.7r/3.7a/1.0b/,8s/3.4t/54%/50%/85%
Bonner-15.6p/6.2r/3.5a/.7b/1.2s/2.2t/46%/27%/87%


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I feel without Diggins or Cambage in Dallas, they'd be 3-6 or 2-7. It's quite possible to have wto MVP candidates carry their team through a season.



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I think there really ought to be two MVP awards, one to a guard and one to a post. Now it's like comparing apples to oranges.



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zune69 wrote:
Hard to put Diggins and Cambage both in the top 5 when Dallas only has a 5-4 record....Both are top 10,but not the top 5.

Also,If we're going to put Parker on the list.Then an argument can be made for D.Bonner:

Parker-16.6p/6.7r/3.7a/1.0b/,8s/3.4t/54%/50%/85%
Bonner-15.6p/6.2r/3.5a/.7b/1.2s/2.2t/46%/27%/87%



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Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
But she isnt a MVP candidate (top 10) yet at this point


After tonight i expect her to.be in.the.top 10 for sure


And who are you going to drop for her? Was she better then Nneka or Gray in this game?


I did not expect CP3 to develop issues with her knees/legs/feet last night, although she certainly started out like a house on fire. Everyone is still adjusting to her return, and, although they dipped in play quality at times last night, they played the best as a team over the last few games.

I am not all that crazy about this MVP watch thread, but since I 'opened my big yap' about CP3 earlier, I felt I needed to address this a bit.



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According to W.Com sylvia's MVP contention has been hurt not only by the Lynx slew of losses but also her Turnovers per game have been the highest of any player. If this is a measuring stick then Stewie needs to be disqualified as well .

Total Turnovers

Sylvia Fowles 38
Kristi Toliver 35
Breanna Stewart 32



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PostPosted: 06/19/18 5:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
According to W.Com sylvia's MVP contention has been hurt not only by the Lynx slew of losses but also her Turnovers per game have been the highest of any player. If this is a measuring stick then Stewie needs to be disqualified as well .

Total Turnovers

Sylvia Fowles 38
Kristi Toliver 35
Breanna Stewart 32


Sylvia Fowles has played in 10 games and averages 3.8 turnovers per game, Breanna Stewart has played in 11 games and averages 2.9 turnovers per game. Not seeing the correlation and why turnovers should affect Breanna the same way it is affecting Sylvia.



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PostPosted: 06/19/18 6:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GEF34 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
According to W.Com sylvia's MVP contention has been hurt not only by the Lynx slew of losses but also her Turnovers per game have been the highest of any player. If this is a measuring stick then Stewie needs to be disqualified as well .

Total Turnovers

Sylvia Fowles 38
Kristi Toliver 35
Breanna Stewart 32


Sylvia Fowles has played in 10 games and averages 3.8 turnovers per game, Breanna Stewart has played in 11 games and averages 2.9 turnovers per game. Not seeing the correlation and why turnovers should affect Breanna the same way it is affecting Sylvia.


Why would it not ? 1 game makes a big difference ? Both are hurting their team with turnovers so if fowles is being held accountable for hers Same should be done too stewie .



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PostPosted: 06/19/18 6:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yes, Stewart is hurting the Storm all the way to the 3rd best record in the league with those turnovers. Laughing

Nonetheless, I do agree with Fowles not being an MVP candidate..


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PostPosted: 06/20/18 3:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
GEF34 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
According to W.Com sylvia's MVP contention has been hurt not only by the Lynx slew of losses but also her Turnovers per game have been the highest of any player. If this is a measuring stick then Stewie needs to be disqualified as well .

Total Turnovers

Sylvia Fowles 38
Kristi Toliver 35
Breanna Stewart 32


Sylvia Fowles has played in 10 games and averages 3.8 turnovers per game, Breanna Stewart has played in 11 games and averages 2.9 turnovers per game. Not seeing the correlation and why turnovers should affect Breanna the same way it is affecting Sylvia.


Why would it not ? 1 game makes a big difference ? Both are hurting their team with turnovers so if fowles is being held accountable for hers Same should be done too stewie .


Compare their stats and teamrecord and then you know why Fowles is not an MVP candidate and Stewart is..

p.s Probably half of Stewie's turnovers are offensive fouls. She needs to adjust her game a lil bit to provent most of those.



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PostPosted: 06/20/18 10:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
GEF34 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
According to W.Com sylvia's MVP contention has been hurt not only by the Lynx slew of losses but also her Turnovers per game have been the highest of any player. If this is a measuring stick then Stewie needs to be disqualified as well .

Total Turnovers

Sylvia Fowles 38
Kristi Toliver 35
Breanna Stewart 32


Sylvia Fowles has played in 10 games and averages 3.8 turnovers per game, Breanna Stewart has played in 11 games and averages 2.9 turnovers per game. Not seeing the correlation and why turnovers should affect Breanna the same way it is affecting Sylvia.


Why would it not ? 1 game makes a big difference ? Both are hurting their team with turnovers so if fowles is being held accountable for hers Same should be done too stewie .


Compare their stats and teamrecord and then you know why Fowles is not an MVP candidate and Stewart is..

p.s Probably half of Stewie's turnovers are offensive fouls. She needs to adjust her game a lil bit to provent most of those.


Comparing the team record would be your only fighting argument . Stat wise theres not much difference. Stewie averages a few more PPG while fowles average more Rebs per game .



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PostPosted: 06/20/18 11:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
GEF34 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
According to W.Com sylvia's MVP contention has been hurt not only by the Lynx slew of losses but also her Turnovers per game have been the highest of any player. If this is a measuring stick then Stewie needs to be disqualified as well .

Total Turnovers

Sylvia Fowles 38
Kristi Toliver 35
Breanna Stewart 32


Sylvia Fowles has played in 10 games and averages 3.8 turnovers per game, Breanna Stewart has played in 11 games and averages 2.9 turnovers per game. Not seeing the correlation and why turnovers should affect Breanna the same way it is affecting Sylvia.


Why would it not ? 1 game makes a big difference ? Both are hurting their team with turnovers so if fowles is being held accountable for hers Same should be done too stewie .


Compare their stats and teamrecord and then you know why Fowles is not an MVP candidate and Stewart is..

p.s Probably half of Stewie's turnovers are offensive fouls. She needs to adjust her game a lil bit to provent most of those.


Comparing the team record would be your only fighting argument . Stat wise theres not much difference. Stewie averages a few more PPG while fowles average more Rebs per game .


Rebounds are the only statistic Fowles has a meaningful edge over Stewart in. Everything else is in Stewie's favor.


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PostPosted: 06/20/18 11:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So if the Lynx start winning again, the the Storm start losing does that mean Fowles is an MVP candidate and Stewart isn't?


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PostPosted: 06/20/18 11:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
So if the Lynx start winning again, the the Storm start losing does that mean Fowles is an MVP candidate and Stewart isn't?


Exactly , Im sure posters will have a whole new outlook by next week Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 06/20/18 1:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stewart's turnovers is a non-issue.....She's avg 2.8t on 15.2 fga per game.....That's 1 turnover every 5.4 fga......Fowles is avg 1 turnover every 3.1fga which is terrible....Infact,Stewart is in the bottom half of the league in turnover%(4.4)...while Fowles in the top 10(7.7)


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