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PostPosted: 04/24/18 2:50 pm    ::: The W in 10 years Reply Reply with quote

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23117307/what-nfl-nba-nhl-mlb-wnba-look-2028

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In 2025, the league expanded to 16 teams, with new franchises in the Bay Area, South Carolina, Tennessee and Montreal. Teams play 50 games a year, and relaxed free-agency rules have led to Jonquel Jones signing with LA and Breanna Stewart landing in Vegas. But with that boom comes a headache or two.



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In 2028 ... borders disappear

Under recently named WNBA president Tamika Catchings, the age for draft entry is lowered to 19.


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That whole article is bizarre and far-fetched. And where does Montreal come in for the W? Yes, the league should be at 16 teams by then, plus a longer schedule, bigger paychecks for players and hopefully a second TV partner.



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Teams play 50 games a year


They must be paying a lot more by then.

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In 2028, [Azzi Fudd] once compared to Maya Moore wins her second straight MVP ... just as Moore's 17-year, nine-title WNBA career winds down with a farewell tour.


I’d be satisfied with 9. SpaceJunkie will be like... they’re bums for not making 10 Surprised

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South Carolina Yellow Jackets, an expansion team led by WNBA fan-turned-owner Kobe Bryant.


Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range.

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Under recently named WNBA president Tamika Catchings, the age for draft entry is lowered to 19. That, coupled with the fruits of the NBA Academies Women's Program that began in 2018, brings a wave of young talent from across the globe to the league.


It’s already as low as 19 for international players. Fan-fic failure



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I may have to research if the TV show The Simpsons (which I don't watch) has ever mentioned the WNBA. A lot of the things the show has jokingly predicted, later became true. Wink

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/arts/television/simpsons-prediction-future.html

https://www.insideedition.com/they-did-it-again-how-simpsons-predicted-20th-century-fox-disney-deal-19-years-ago-38982

https://youtu.be/W50gsSB4wi4



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Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range.


What is the business reason for Kobe for investing millions into an NBA franchise (especially when there already is one in Los Angeles)?


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Shades wrote:
Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range.


What is the business reason for Kobe for investing millions into an NBA franchise (especially when there already is one in Los Angeles)?


I was talking about the WNBA. If that’s what you meant, I think most of us agree there’s no good “business” reason to own a WNBA team (ask Jimmy Dolan) unless the environment changes. You’re not likely to get a great return on the investment. You do it not for greed but for the enjoyment of it or to be helpful (philanthropic?) That’s why I emphasized how rich he is.... the WNBA needs owners rich enough that every dollar that they have doesn’t have to go towards accumulating more wealth. Take Glen Taylor, for instance. And if Kobe has the passion for women’s basketball like he tweets, then I would think he would be a perfect owner for a team.

He directed Skylar Diggins in that BodyArmor commercial she was in recently, so he really does recognize WNBA as a legit sport and doesn’t shy away from it. It doesn’t hurt to present the idea of owning a team to him. The more teams we have, the bigger following the sport will have.



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Remember that you're going to lose $2 million a year owning a WNBA franchise, and it's not worth anything.

Hard to justify ...



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ClayK wrote:
Remember that you're going to lose $2 million a year owning a WNBA franchise, and it's not worth anything.

Hard to justify ...


If it’s poorly run, you might lose $2 million. Half are making money.
Like I said, you’re not looking for big return on an investment. Are you mocking all the current owners?



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Shades wrote:
ClayK wrote:
Remember that you're going to lose $2 million a year owning a WNBA franchise, and it's not worth anything.

Hard to justify ...


If it’s poorly run, you might lose $2 million. Half are making money.
Like I said, you’re not looking for big return on an investment. Are you mocking all the current owners?


From a financial perspective, having the Connecticut Sun and Las Vegas Aces are major coups by the W. Both franchises are owned by casino enterprises that also own the arenas in which they play. They also have on-site lodging, food, parking, etc. already built in. The infrastructure costs are lower as a result.

It also opens up the W to summer travelers to Vegas and CT (obviously, moreso to Vegas, given the location) who may not otherwise have attended a WNBA game but who could perhaps receive free or discounted tickets as a result of staying at the hotel/resort.

If there are other casino enterprises (with arenas) that want WNBA franchises that are (hopefully) in travel/tourist destinations, this should be a consideration.


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I may have to research if the TV show The Simpsons (which I don't watch) has ever mentioned the WNBA. A lot of the things the show has jokingly predicted, later became true. Wink

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/arts/television/simpsons-prediction-future.html

https://www.insideedition.com/they-did-it-again-how-simpsons-predicted-20th-century-fox-disney-deal-19-years-ago-38982

https://youtu.be/W50gsSB4wi4


Yes, the WNBA has been mentioned on The Simpsons. Lisa Leslie was a guest voice.



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Richard 77 wrote:
StevenHW wrote:
I may have to research if the TV show The Simpsons (which I don't watch) has ever mentioned the WNBA. A lot of the things the show has jokingly predicted, later became true. Wink

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/arts/television/simpsons-prediction-future.html

https://www.insideedition.com/they-did-it-again-how-simpsons-predicted-20th-century-fox-disney-deal-19-years-ago-38982

https://youtu.be/W50gsSB4wi4


Yes, the WNBA has been mentioned on The Simpsons. Lisa Leslie was a guest voice.


Playing herself




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Shades wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range.


What is the business reason for Kobe for investing millions into an NBA franchise (especially when there already is one in Los Angeles)?


I was talking about the WNBA. If that’s what you meant, I think most of us agree there’s no good “business” reason to own a WNBA team (ask Jimmy Dolan) unless the environment changes. You’re not likely to get a great return on the investment. You do it not for greed but for the enjoyment of it or to be helpful (philanthropic?) That’s why I emphasized how rich he is.... the WNBA needs owners rich enough that every dollar that they have doesn’t have to go towards accumulating more wealth. Take Glen Taylor, for instance. And if Kobe has the passion for women’s basketball like he tweets, then I would think he would be a perfect owner for a team.

He directed Skylar Diggins in that UnderArmor commercial she was in recently, so he really does recognize WNBA as a legit sport and doesn’t shy away from it. It doesn’t hurt to present the idea of owning a team to him. The more teams we have, the bigger following the sport will have.


So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around. If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money. Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money.


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So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around.

Unless, of course, you are a Christian. Then charity is in fact required of you by order of Christ.

Of course to whom to give said charity to is up to the individual. But the tenents of the religion would argue that one has a moral imperative to be "philanthropic". And if Kobe does belive in what the WNBA stands for, why not extend himself in that direction?



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So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around.


Wait... do all WNBA fans consider investing in the league as “throwing your money around”? I guess I’ll ask you what I asked Clay. Are the current WNBA owners fools? Are we just benefiting from their foolishness?

TotalCardinalMove wrote:
If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money.


We really don’t know what he thinks about the idea of owning a team. You seem to be assuming he doesn’t want to because you think it’s a waste of money.

TotalCardinalMove wrote:
Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money.


You know what rich people do by personal experience? I know it’s his decision. That’s why you talk to the people who have the money and power to make things happen. He seems like the ideal owner, and if doesn’t want to do it, why should we expect anybody to do it?

I tweeted Magic about the idea of buying the Sparks before he actually did it. Now I’m doing the same with Kobe. If you love the WNBA, don’t hate on me. Wish me luck.



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Shades wrote:
TotalCardinalMove wrote:
So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around.


Wait... do all WNBA fans consider investing in the league as “throwing your money around”? I guess I’ll you what I asked Clay. Are the current WNBA owners fools? Are we just benefiting from their foolishness?

TotalCardinalMove wrote:
If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money.


We really don’t know what he thinks about the idea of owning a team. You seem to be assuming he doesn’t want to because you think it’s a waste of money.

TotalCardinalMove wrote:
Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money.


You know what rich people do by personal experience? I know it’s his decision. That’s why you talk to the people who have the money and power to make things happen. He seems like the ideal owner, and if doesn’t want to do it, why should we expect anybody to do it?

I tweeted Magic about the idea of buying the Sparks before he actually did it. Now I’m doing the same with Kobe. If you love the WNBA, don’t hate on me. Wish me luck.


I'm absolutely wishing you luck! Although Kobe can understandably be a controversial figure, his support of women's bball has been great! (The beauty of having daughters). A secret (now, not so secret...lol!) dream of mine is to own one or be a part of an ownership group because I love and desire to support the league that much. I wonder if there are any possibilities of like a cooperative of fans/supporters coming together to buy a team.

Btw, does anyone know if Lisa is still a minor owner of the Sparks? I wonder what the the buy-in was for that.


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justintyme wrote:
TotalCardinalMove wrote:

So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around.

Unless, of course, you are a Christian. Then charity is in fact required of you by order of Christ.

Of course to whom to give said charity to is up to the individual. But the tenents of the religion would argue that one has a moral imperative to be "philanthropic". And if Kobe does belive in what the WNBA stands for, why not extend himself in that direction?


Wow, is that the post-modern interpretation of the Gospels? That Christ ordered his peasant followers to fund a women's professional basketball team? Holy Mackerel, 2000 years of New Testament scholars have erroneously thought he was talking about charity towards the poor, the impoverished, the sick, the crippled, the blind, the dying, the beggars, the lepers, the oppressed, the prostitutes, and the tax collectors.

Well, maybe that does sound like a WNBA franchise.
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I agree with Shades. Keep on Kobe, especially the daughter connection and those which he has with Uconn players. It cannot hurt and it’s good for his future image.


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GlennMacGrady wrote:
justintyme wrote:
TotalCardinalMove wrote:

So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around.

Unless, of course, you are a Christian. Then charity is in fact required of you by order of Christ.

Of course to whom to give said charity to is up to the individual. But the tenents of the religion would argue that one has a moral imperative to be "philanthropic". And if Kobe does belive in what the WNBA stands for, why not extend himself in that direction?


Wow, is that the post-modern interpretation of the Gospels? That Christ ordered his peasant followers to fund a women's professional basketball team? Holy Mackerel, 2000 years of New Testament scholars have erroneously thought he was talking about charity towards the poor, the impoverished, the sick, the crippled, the blind, the dying, the beggars, the lepers, the oppressed, the prostitutes, and the tax collectors.

Well, maybe that does sound like a WNBA franchise.

Rolling Eyes

Yes, he was speaking directly about a women's basketball league. Or perhaps, as most of us were taught in Church, charity means doing whatever you can to make the world a better place, whether that be time, money, or other actions. So, yes, if Kobe feels like investing in the WNBA would help make the world a better place, that it is a question of more than just heartless capitalism, it would be charity in the way of Christ.

Or in the case of the original point, if you have a lot of money you are, in fact, expected to "throw your money around" towards something to help others. What that something constitutes is up to the individual.



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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
Shades wrote:
Hey, I’ve been on Kobe’s case on twitter for being a proponent of women’s basketball and yet not owning a WNBA team. People should keep on him. His net worth is said to be in the third-of-a-billion range.


What is the business reason for Kobe for investing millions into an NBA franchise (especially when there already is one in Los Angeles)?


I was talking about the WNBA. If that’s what you meant, I think most of us agree there’s no good “business” reason to own a WNBA team (ask Jimmy Dolan) unless the environment changes. You’re not likely to get a great return on the investment. You do it not for greed but for the enjoyment of it or to be helpful (philanthropic?) That’s why I emphasized how rich he is.... the WNBA needs owners rich enough that every dollar that they have doesn’t have to go towards accumulating more wealth. Take Glen Taylor, for instance. And if Kobe has the passion for women’s basketball like he tweets, then I would think he would be a perfect owner for a team.

He directed Skylar Diggins in that UnderArmor commercial she was in recently, so he really does recognize WNBA as a legit sport and doesn’t shy away from it. It doesn’t hurt to present the idea of owning a team to him. The more teams we have, the bigger following the sport will have.


I think Kobe Bryant if he wanted to would be a great and very passionate owner of a WNBA team, but seeing as he lives in LA, his family doesn't know anything but LA and he doesn't really have any connections as far as I know to another city in the USA other than the Philadelphia area what would be the incentive to own a team in a city he is not passionate about representing. As CamrnCrz174 mentioned there is already a team in LA. Based on the type of person he appears to be I think it would have to be something he is very passionate about, like when he was with the Lakers he always talked about representing Los Angeles, that was very important to him.



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Shades wrote:
TotalCardinalMove wrote:
So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around.


Wait... do all WNBA fans consider investing in the league as “throwing your money around”? I guess I’ll ask you what I asked Clay. Are the current WNBA owners fools? Are we just benefiting from their foolishness?

TotalCardinalMove wrote:
If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money.


We really don’t know what he thinks about the idea of owning a team. You seem to be assuming he doesn’t want to because you think it’s a waste of money.

TotalCardinalMove wrote:
Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money.


You know what rich people do by personal experience? I know it’s his decision. That’s why you talk to the people who have the money and power to make things happen. He seems like the ideal owner, and if doesn’t want to do it, why should we expect anybody to do it?

I tweeted Magic about the idea of buying the Sparks before he actually did it. Now I’m doing the same with Kobe. If you love the WNBA, don’t hate on me. Wish me luck.


If so many people thought investing in a WNBA team was a good idea then you’d see multiple potential buyers on a consistent basis. If it was viewed as a good investment, so many teams wouldn’t be getting sold and relocated. It’s business, and it’s WELL documented that teams usually lose money. That’s a hard sell to anyone, and there’s nothing wrong with pointing that out. Kobe isn’t inclined to do anything. Your tweets aren’t as ifluentical and important as you think. Every rich person that supports the WNBA doesn’t have to be an owner. You can’t dictate what he does with his money, so why harass him?


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TotalCardinalMove wrote:

If so many people thought investing in a WNBA team was a good idea then you’d see multiple potential buyers on a consistent basis. If it was viewed as a good investment, so many teams wouldn’t be getting sold and relocated. It’s business, and it’s WELL documented that teams usually lose money. That’s a hard sell to anyone, and there’s nothing wrong with pointing that out.


There was no need to point it out. I already pointed it out. Investing in the WNBA isn’t for the selfish.

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Kobe isn’t inclined to do anything. Your tweets aren’t as ifluentical and important as you think.


Ah, I think we’ve finally arrived at your issue. It’s not about the WNBA or Kobe. It’s about me. Well, if I do nothing, I can guarantee I won’t be ifluentical. You never know unless you try.

TotalCardinalMove wrote:
Every rich person that supports the WNBA doesn’t have to be an owner. You can’t dictate what he does with his money, so why harass him?


Why do you refer to it as dictating and harassing? I just present the idea to him just in case it hasn’t occurred to him. If he hears it enough, maybe he’ll check into it. Maybe he already has.



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I think Kobe Bryant if he wanted to would be a great and very passionate owner of a WNBA team


Thank you! I agree.

GEF34 wrote:
but seeing as he lives in LA, his family doesn't know anything but LA and he doesn't really have any connections as far as I know to another city in the USA


He has an investment fund, so he has some connection to NYC. Maybe he could be a buyer for the Liberty? Any Liberty fans like that idea?

GEF34 wrote:
Philadelphia area what would be the incentive to own a team in a city he is not passionate about representing.


How can he not be passionate about investing in his hometown? Philly would be a great site for a new team. Maybe relocate the Liberty team?

GEF34 wrote:
As CamrnCrz174 mentioned there is already a team in LA. Based on the type of person he appears to be I think it would have to be something he is very passionate about, like when he was with the Lakers he always talked about representing Los Angeles, that was very important to him.


Well he is constantly evolving if people haven’t noticed. Kobe, Inc can reach beyond Los Angeles and he doesn’t necessarily have to be a doting hands-on owner.



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Shades wrote:
GEF34 wrote:
I think Kobe Bryant if he wanted to would be a great and very passionate owner of a WNBA team


Thank you! I agree.

GEF34 wrote:
but seeing as he lives in LA, his family doesn't know anything but LA and he doesn't really have any connections as far as I know to another city in the USA


He has an investment fund, so he has some connection to NYC. Maybe he could be a buyer for the Liberty? Any Liberty fans like that idea?

GEF34 wrote:
Philadelphia area what would be the incentive to own a team in a city he is not passionate about representing.


How can he not be passionate about investing in his hometown? Philly would be a great site for a new team. Maybe relocate the Liberty team?

GEF34 wrote:
As CamrnCrz174 mentioned there is already a team in LA. Based on the type of person he appears to be I think it would have to be something he is very passionate about, like when he was with the Lakers he always talked about representing Los Angeles, that was very important to him.


Well he is constantly evolving if people haven’t noticed. Kobe, Inc can reach beyond Los Angeles and he doesn’t necessarily have to be a doting hands-on owner.


The thing that would make him a great owner is his want to be hands on and his knowledge of the game and people to put them in the right situation to succeed, just being there for the money and being hands off doesn't seem like his style, nor would that be something that would make him a great owner in my opinion. Now sure he could do that and if he wanted to that wouldn't be a bad thing, but to me that isn't why I think he would be a great owner. To me his passion for the sport, knowledge of the sport and his desire to succeed would make him a great owner and I think he would very much need to be hands on for those to fully.

As for the part about he can reach beyond Los Angeles. The only reason I brought up he passion for representing Los Angeles is because that is where he lives and he has said he is passionate about representing Los Angeles. I'm sure if he wanted to he could own a team anywhere, he could even own a team in another country if he wanted to, but based on who he has shown to be, it doesn't seem like he would want to do that, not because he can't reach out of Los Angeles, or has not pull to get things done outside of Los Angeles, but because when you own a team you are representing that city/state/country, and I believe that part means a lot to him so it would play a big role in him owning a team. And that's not saying he dislikes any city/state/country, but if he has no connection to them I don't see it as being something he would do.



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Shades wrote:
TotalCardinalMove wrote:
So? Being rich doesn’t mean you have to just throw your money around.


Wait... do all WNBA fans consider investing in the league as “throwing your money around”? I guess I’ll ask you what I asked Clay. Are the current WNBA owners fools? Are we just benefiting from their foolishness?


I don't understand the question. Are you disputing that most (or at least half - no one has claimed any more than that) WNBA teams lose money? (And none made a penny per the WNBA president up to and including 2010). Are you claiming that the owners of the teams losing money are doing it because they see it as a good long term investment for their money, and not because they get enjoyment from owning a team?

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If he doesn’t think it’s worth the investment why should he do it? None of what you said should dictate what he chooses to do with his own money.


We really don’t know what he thinks about the idea of owning a team. You seem to be assuming he doesn’t want to because you think it’s a waste of money.


What is your assumption as to why he doesn't do it?

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Most rich people aren’t going to throw their money away annually just to be “philanthropic”, and there’s nothing wrong with that because it’s his decision and money.


You know what rich people do by personal experience? I know it’s his decision. That’s why you talk to the people who have the money and power to make things happen. He seems like the ideal owner, and if he doesn’t want to do it, why should we expect anybody to do it?


I would put existing NBA owners without a WNBA team above Bryant. Other people without his estimated $350 million net worth might want to do it because they are passionate fans of the WNBA (like the first non-Lakers Sparks owners) or see it as a cause (like Michael Alter or the second non-Lakers owner of the Sparks ).

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I tweeted Magic about the idea of buying the Sparks before he actually did it. Now I’m doing the same with Kobe. If you love the WNBA, don’t hate on me. Wish me luck.


Good luck. But Magic Johnson didn't buy the Sparks. He went to some of the guys who co-owned the Dodgers with him, including controlling Dodgers owner Mark Walter, and a group of them bought the Sparks. So Magic Johnson turned down a chance to own the Sparks by himself. His net worth was estimated to be half a billion dollars in 2014, and he turned down a chance to own the Sparks by himself.


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Of course to whom to give said charity to is up to the individual. But the tenents of the religion would argue that one has a moral imperative to be "philanthropic". And if Kobe does belive in what the WNBA stands for, why not extend himself in that direction?


Does the WNBA stand for something more than "pro basketball league for women"?


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Folks, it was just a humorous article. Don’t take it too seriously!

Besides, if there is a Canadian team in the WNBA future, it is more likely going to be in Toronto and not Montreal.



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I had a discussion with a part owner of an NBA franchise, which I previously mentioned, and he said the team had looked very hard at a WNBA franchise, but that it basically was going to lose $2 million a year and had no value.

The fact that James Dolan could not sell the Liberty is further evidence that the teams have little or no value, and that even a team that drew lots of fans struggled to turn a profit.

I do question whether half the teams "made" money, but certainly some do. The question is whether they "make" enough money (as opposed to tax writeoffs, depreciation, etc.) to offset the years of losses and investment involved in starting up a franchise.

All that said, Kobe Bryant would seem to be a likely owner for a WNBA team, and encouraging him to do so is a great idea. Where exactly he could put a franchise that would only lose $2 million a year is another issue, assuming that losing that much money is an acceptable number.

The more potential owners there are -- or really, even one -- the better for the WNBA and the game. If not Kobe, maybe someone else, but regardless, hopefully some will emerge.



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NBA owners also claim NBA teams lose tens of millions of dollars each year. It's nonsense.

As for franchise value, right now they have little. That makes this the perfect time to invest if you believe the league has a future.



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And none made a penny per the WNBA president up to and including 2010


Thanks for pointing out a positive financial trend. I had a feeling you would be helpful and not looking for an argument just for the sake of arguing.

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not because they get enjoyment from owning a team?


You need to read back some more. Why do I need to repeat everything? If you enjoy owning a marginally profitable team, should that be considered a waste of money?

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What is your assumption as to why he doesn't do it?


I’m assuming it hasn’t occurred to him to buy a team. If someone gives him the idea, maybe he’ll check into it. Maybe he already has.



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I would put existing NBA owners without a WNBA team above Bryant.


Good luck pursuing that avenue since most of those NBA owners have already bailed on the WNBA. Lacob has already shown a strong interest. No need to work on him. To me it makes more sense to pursue owners who recognize the WNBA as a legit sport.... owners that acknowledge that women’s team sports are important for society.

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Other people without his estimated $350 million net worth might want to do it because they are passionate fans of the WNBA (like the first non-Lakers Sparks owners)


Yes, but we’ve seen they aren’t always the best choice, like the last Sparks ownership.

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(see it as a cause like Michael Alter )


He’s the best owner ever.

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But Magic Johnson didn't buy the Sparks. He went to some of the guys who co-owned the Dodgers with him, including controlling Dodgers owner Mark Walter, and a group of them bought the Sparks.


He’s still a buyer whether it’s by himself or with a group. Most teams are bought that way. Even Glen Taylor doesn’t own the Lynx entirely by himself but to point that out every time Lynx ownership is brought up would be a huge waste of time because it’s pointless and anal. Magic Johnson is the face of the Sparks ownership.

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So Magic Johnson turned down a chance to own the Sparks by himself. His net worth was estimated to be half a billion dollars in 2014, and he turned down a chance to own the Sparks by himself.


Do you have anything that says he turned down the opportunity to own the team himself? Seems like you’re just jumping to the conclusion to that you want. Magic buys teams as a part of the collective. If he isn’t excluded from ownership of the Dodgers why would he exclude his partners from buying the Sparks? They buy things together. But I’m fairly sure the collective wouldn’t have been interested in the Sparks had it not been for Magic’s interest in the team. It’s his baby to nurture. There’s probably tax advantages to buying as a collective.

Whether Kobe buys the team himself or with partners, it does not matter. Not sure why anybody would make an issue out of it.



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Kobe Bryant doesn't live in LA. For some reason people think LA is the whole southern Cal area Laughing He lives further south so there could be another market. He coaches his daughter and she will soon be of age to enter the dreaded AAU circuits. IMO he would be a great target for some charitable contribution.


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Kobe Bryant doesn't live in LA. For some reason people think LA is the whole southern Cal area Laughing He lives further south so there could be another market. He coaches his daughter and she will soon be of age to enter the dreaded AAU circuits. IMO he would be a great target for some charitable contribution.


San Diego, perhaps?

As pointed out before, he’s from Philadelphia. That could be another target city.



If Kobe buys a team in Philadelphia, maybe he can eventually hire this guy to coach them.
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The fact that James Dolan could not sell the Liberty is further evidence that the teams have little or no value, and that even a team that drew lots of fans struggled to turn a profit.

Once again, just because he didn't sell, doesn't mean he couldn't.



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ClayK wrote:
The fact that James Dolan could not sell the Liberty is further evidence that the teams have little or no value, and that even a team that drew lots of fans struggled to turn a profit.

Once again, just because he didn't sell, doesn't mean he couldn't.


Excellent point. He couldn't sell it at a price that made sense to him.

The fact that no other franchise, that we know of, has ever sold for any amount of actual money, however, leads one to believe that this case was no different.



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Here’s a flashback to 1/2014 when Madison announced that they wanted to sell the Sparks.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-la-sparks-ownership-group-gives-up-franchise-2014jan02-story,amp.html

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Richie said that several groups have expressed interest in owning a WNBA team and the league is now exploring those options in regards to the Sparks. She said that while final numbers aren't in yet from this past season, almost half the franchises were profitable this year. The Sparks weren't one of them.

"After we went through the budgeting process we saw we'd lose over a million again in 2014," Madison said. "We lost our marquee sponsorship with Farmer's because they had to redirect local spending to Farmer's Field."


Okay, projecting a loss of over a million after losing the marquee sponsor isn’t as bad as losing this fabled $2 million amount.

And all this was before ESPN doubled the broadcast fees paid the WNBA to $25 million. So the environment is even better than when Madison bailed.

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/05/09/Media/ESPN-WNBA.aspx

So where is this undocumented and irresponsible number of $2 million coming from?



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There were apparently three different ownership groups ready to buy the Liberty, but I'm guessing Dolan's asking price was too much.



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Of course to whom to give said charity to is up to the individual. But the tenents of the religion would argue that one has a moral imperative to be "philanthropic". And if Kobe does belive in what the WNBA stands for, why not extend himself in that direction?


Does the WNBA stand for something more than "pro basketball league for women"?


Isn't equality of opportunity and helping redefine our cultural assumptions of athletics (i.e. "pro basketball league for women") enough?



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There were apparently three different ownership groups ready to buy the Liberty, but I'm guessing Dolan's asking price was too much.

Which still makes no sense. If you believe the naysayers and doom merchants, he's losing money by running the franchise at all, and losing money by not being able to schedule other events at the Garden. Given that situation, if money is your driving consideration, 'seling' the team for $0 is a positive. No one's ultimately going to care if the books say you sold it for $10m, $1m, or a buck - even if the figure ever actually emerges. There's still a weird disconnect there.



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Here’s a flashback to 1/2014 when Madison announced that they wanted to sell the Sparks.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-la-sparks-ownership-group-gives-up-franchise-2014jan02-story,amp.html

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Richie said that several groups have expressed interest in owning a WNBA team and the league is now exploring those options in regards to the Sparks. She said that while final numbers aren't in yet from this past season, almost half the franchises were profitable this year. The Sparks weren't one of them.

"After we went through the budgeting process we saw we'd lose over a million again in 2014," Madison said. "We lost our marquee sponsorship with Farmer's because they had to redirect local spending to Farmer's Field."


Okay, projecting a loss of over a million after losing the marquee sponsor isn’t as bad as losing this fabled $2 million amount.

And all this was before ESPN doubled the broadcast fees paid the WNBA to $25 million. So the environment is even better than when Madison bailed.

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/05/09/Media/ESPN-WNBA.aspx

So where is this undocumented and irresponsible number of $2 million coming from?


First, I don't believe what anyone says publicly about how much money they made, lost or were offered for a franchise. There is absolutely no motivation to tell the truth, and every motivation to make things look better than they actually are.

The $2 million figure came in a private conversation with a part owner of an NBA franchise, and the context did not involve any leaning on my part for or against the WNBA. I just saw an opportunity to get some unbiased and unfiltered information (I was not part of the media) and that's the number that, unbidden, emerged.

This person had zero reason to lie or embellish figures. Every person involved in the WNBA has every reason to inflate the profitability and value of its franchises.



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First, I don't believe what anyone says publicly about how much money they made, lost or were offered for a franchise. There is absolutely no motivation to tell the truth, and every motivation to make things look better than they actually are.


As long as there is collective bargaining, the incentive for owners will be to make teams look less profitable. That's why most NBA teams claim to be losing money.



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First, I don't believe what anyone says publicly about how much money they made, lost or were offered for a franchise. There is absolutely no motivation to tell the truth, and every motivation to make things look better than they actually are.


As long as there is collective bargaining, the incentive for owners will be to make teams look less profitable. That's why most NBA teams claim to be losing money.


An interesting angle, as there are competing needs here. The league wants to present itself as profitable, and since the primary way professional sports owners make money is through the increasing value of the franchises over time, there is a motivation to make things look good.

But, as you point out, the less profitable the league appears, the easier it is to bargain with the players.

My sense would be that the players, along with almost everyone else, believe the league is marginally profitable, if that, and are afraid to push too hard even if owners are making public statements about profitability.



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And none made a penny per the WNBA president up to and including 2010


Thanks for pointing out a positive financial trend. I had a feeling you would be helpful and not looking for an argument just for the sake of arguing.


The league one time reported 6 teams were profitable. At the time the Sparks were sold it was "almost half the league". So the trend may have reversed. But regardless, it's important to keep in mind when courting owners, that not all teams are profitable.

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not because they get enjoyment from owning a team?


You need to read back some more. Why do I need to repeat everything? If you enjoy owning a marginally profitable team, should that be considered a waste of money?


Most teams are not profitable as of 2014. You appeared to be suggesting that it was foolish to own a team if it wasn't profitable.

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I would put existing NBA owners without a WNBA team above Bryant.


Good luck pursuing that avenue since most of those NBA owners have already bailed on the WNBA. Lacob has already shown a strong interest. No need to work on him. To me it makes more sense to pursue owners who recognize the WNBA as a legit sport.... owners that acknowledge that women’s team sports are important for society.


If they are important for society than a good argument could be made that cities or states should own them.

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Other people without his estimated $350 million net worth might want to do it because they are passionate fans of the WNBA (like the first non-Lakers Sparks owners)


Yes, but we’ve seen they aren’t always the best choice, like the last Sparks ownership.


They were bad for what reason? Because they couldn't sustain the losses. So we have to acknowledge here that at least one WNBA team lost big money.

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But Magic Johnson didn't buy the Sparks. He went to some of the guys who co-owned the Dodgers with him, including controlling Dodgers owner Mark Walter, and a group of them bought the Sparks.


He’s still a buyer whether it’s by himself or with a group. Most teams are bought that way. Even Glen Taylor doesn’t own the Lynx entirely by himself but to point that out every time Lynx ownership is brought up would be a huge waste of time because it’s pointless and anal. Magic Johnson is the face of the Sparks ownership.


But most teams are bought as part of a group because they are very expensive. WNBA teams can be bought by a single rich individual. Maybe there are tax advantages to forming an "investment group", but I think an individual can form the same LLC, or whatever.

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So Magic Johnson turned down a chance to own the Sparks by himself. His net worth was estimated to be half a billion dollars in 2014, and he turned down a chance to own the Sparks by himself.


Do you have anything that says he turned down the opportunity to own the team himself? Seems like you’re just jumping to the conclusion to that you want.


There is no other conclusion to "jump" to. Magic could have said "Oh, the Sparks are for sale, I will now call Laurel Richie and tell her I will buy them". But instead he called his "investment group" buddies to convince them to buy it, with him as a partner. Do you have anything that says he did call Laurel Richie and she turned him down, despite his half-a-billion estimated net worth at the time? Seems like you are just ignoring the obvious.


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Magic buys teams as a part of the collective. If he isn’t excluded from ownership of the Dodgers why would he exclude his partners from buying the Sparks? They buy things together. But I’m fairly sure the collective wouldn’t have been interested in the Sparks had it not been for Magic’s interest in the team. It’s his baby to nurture. There’s probably tax advantages to buying as a collective.


Magic bought one team as part of a collective. That team cost 2 billlion dollars, so it was out of his price range. The Sparks selling price was close to, if not, $0 dollars. A price he could have afforded. I also don't think the people that bought the Sparks would have done so without the encouragement of Magic.


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Whether Kobe buys the team himself or with partners, it does not matter. Not sure why anybody would make an issue out of it.


I was pointing out that Magic, who is richer than Kobe, didn't do what you want Kobe to do so you might want to tweet "Kobe - you should find a rich investment group to team up with to buy a WNBA team".


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There were apparently three different ownership groups ready to buy the Liberty, but I'm guessing Dolan's asking price was too much.


Shouldn't we have heard from any such groups though? What is to prevent them from saying publicly: "Wanted to buy the Liberty but couldn't reach a deal". They could even say "We offered X, but MSG wanted Y".


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I think I’m wearing Kobe down. He certainly seems interested in what is being said about women’s basketball.




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