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Who will win this game?
Dynamo Kursk
44%
 44%  [ 4 ]
UMMC Ekaterinburg
55%
 55%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: 04/18/18 6:18 pm    ::: Dynamo Kursk vs UMMC Ekaterinburg - 4/20/18 Reply Reply with quote
EuroLeague Semifinal
Sopron, Hungary - 17:00 GMT +2
(ET is GMT -4, so I believe 17:00 GMT +2 would be 11:00 AM ET)

Live stats:
http://www.fiba.basketball/euroleaguewomen/17-18/2004/Dynamo-Kursk-UMMC-Ekaterinburg

Live video:
<embed><iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0rS_F3VA_n8" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allow full screen></iframe></embed>
https://youtu.be/0rS_F3VA_n8

Dynamo Kursk Roster
#3 Natalia Zhedic SG
#5 Sonja Petrovic SF (PHX)
#7 Maria Vadeeva C (LAS)
#8 Helena Ciak C
#9 Kseniia Levchenko PG
#10 Epiphanny Prince SG (NYL)
#11 Anastasiia Logunova PF
#13 Elena Kirillova SG
#15 Anna Cruz PG
#30 Nnemkadi Ogwumike PF (LAS)
#35 Angel McCoughtry SF (ATL)

UMMC Ekaterinburg Roster
#4 Olga Arteshina PF
#5 Evgeniia Beliakova SF
#7 Alba Torrens SF (CON)
#9 Nika Baric PG
#13 Elana Beglova PG
#15 Natalia Vieru C
#20 Kristi Toliver SG (WAS)
#23 Maya Moore SG (MIN)
#30 Lara Sanders PF (WAS)
#33 Emma Meesseman PF (WAS)
#42 Brittney Griner C (PHX)
#44 Raisa Musina SF (PHX)

•Current season WNBA players



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PostPosted: 04/18/18 6:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Dunno what you're on about with 'Game 1 of 5'. This ain't the Russian playoffs, it's the EuroLeague Women Final Four weekend. Two semis on Friday (Sopron vs Yakin Dogu is three hours after the Kursk-UMMC game), final and third-place game on Sunday.



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PostPosted: 04/18/18 7:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
#7 Maria Vadeeva C (LAS)
#44 Raisa Musina SF (PHX)

Vadeeva and Musina are both listed at 6'4" some places and 6'3" others. And a video on youtube shows them hugging as they get their U19 medals and they are very close in height (and build). If Musina can play small forward at 6'3", I don't understand why Vadeeva (who probably could be listed as a power forward as well) is getting all the ink and hype and Musina none. Or are they both power forwards and Vadeeva is just a better version?
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PostPosted: 04/18/18 8:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
tfan wrote:
#7 Maria Vadeeva C (LAS)
#44 Raisa Musina SF (PHX)

Vadeeva and Musina are both listed at 6'4" some places and 6'3" others. And a video on youtube shows them hugging as they get their U19 medals and they are very close in height (and build). If Musina can play small forward at 6'3", I don't understand why Vadeeva (who probably could be listed as a power forward as well) is getting all the ink and hype and Musina none. Or are they both power forwards and Vadeeva is just a better version?


From matchup against the U19 Team USA musina looked like the more polished player. Put me in the mind of Petrovic, Vadeeva seemed more like a Katie Feenstra type with a face up jumper and making shots near the basket.But thats just 1 game so i cannot be sure.



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PostPosted: 04/18/18 8:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
tfan wrote:
#7 Maria Vadeeva C (LAS)
#44 Raisa Musina SF (PHX)

Vadeeva and Musina are both listed at 6'4" some places and 6'3" others. And a video on youtube shows them hugging as they get their U19 medals and they are very close in height (and build). If Musina can play small forward at 6'3", I don't understand why Vadeeva (who probably could be listed as a power forward as well) is getting all the ink and hype and Musina none.

Because Vadeeva's been a dominant interior presence for her national team and very effective rotation cog for top club teams since she was about 17. Musina's shown promise for age-group squads and occasionally gets off the bench in garbage time at club level (and needs to go play somewhere where she actually gets to play).

They're the same height in the same way that, say, Kelsey Griffin and Elizabeth Williams are listed at about the same height. It doesn't stop one clearly being a true post, and one being a swing forward who's a 3 or 4 depending on circumstance.



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PostPosted: 04/18/18 8:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Anna Cruz should be available for Kursk too.

Jamierra Faulkner will probably suit up for Ekaterinburg instead of one of the other players.

Game links are here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rS_F3VA_n8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyenZyiDq8w

tfan wrote:
#7 Maria Vadeeva C (LAS)
#44 Raisa Musina SF (PHX)

Vadeeva and Musina are both listed at 6'4" some places and 6'3" others. And a video on youtube shows them hugging as they get their U19 medals and they are very close in height (and build). If Musina can play small forward at 6'3", I don't understand why Vadeeva (who probably could be listed as a power forward as well) is getting all the ink and hype and Musina none. Or are they both power forwards and Vadeeva is just a better version?


Are they really the same in build? Musina is rail thin and Vadeeva is not.

Musina should get at least some hype. People just don't bother doing any research on these players. She's significantly further from the finished product than Vadeeva, who is basically a prototypical scoring-minded post player even at this age. Musina can run the pick and roll as the ball handler and take the ball up the court herself to initiate the offense. Long term, she's probably a PF, but she's too slight to guard most older post players right now. Vadeeva can play the PF on offense with the right C, but she's really only a C on defense.
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PostPosted: 04/18/18 8:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
awhom111 wrote:
Anna Cruz should be available for Kursk too.

Jamierra Faulkner will probably suit up for Ekaterinburg instead of one of the other players.

Game links are here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rS_F3VA_n8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyenZyiDq8w

tfan wrote:
#7 Maria Vadeeva C (LAS)
#44 Raisa Musina SF (PHX)

Vadeeva and Musina are both listed at 6'4" some places and 6'3" others. And a video on youtube shows them hugging as they get their U19 medals and they are very close in height (and build). If Musina can play small forward at 6'3", I don't understand why Vadeeva (who probably could be listed as a power forward as well) is getting all the ink and hype and Musina none. Or are they both power forwards and Vadeeva is just a better version?


Are they really the same in build? Musina is rail thin and Vadeeva is not.

Musina should get at least some hype. People just don't bother doing any research on these players. She's significantly further from the finished product than Vadeeva, who is basically a prototypical scoring-minded post player even at this age. Musina can run the pick and roll as the ball handler and take the ball up the court herself to initiate the offense. Long term, she's probably a PF, but she's too slight to guard most older post players right now. Vadeeva can play the PF on offense with the right C, but she's really only a C on defense.


I Agree 100%. Please click the link below to see and judge for yourself. Musina is for real!

https://youtu.be/9z3MBLvmtyI

Vadeeva Scored 27 pts 11/19 FG 4/6 FTA
Musina Scored 33 pts 11/16 FG 7/7 FTA
Against the Americans...Although Chennedy Carter Was A Star In this Game , Musina outplayed her. Musina could be a great SF/ Stretch 4! She has length and nice guard skills. I like her more than Vadeeva aka Greg Ostertag Circa 97' ...i think Shocked Laughing



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PostPosted: 04/18/18 9:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
awhom111 wrote:


tfan wrote:
#7 Maria Vadeeva C (LAS)
#44 Raisa Musina SF (PHX)

Vadeeva and Musina are both listed at 6'4" some places and 6'3" others. And a video on youtube shows them hugging as they get their U19 medals and they are very close in height (and build). If Musina can play small forward at 6'3", I don't understand why Vadeeva (who probably could be listed as a power forward as well) is getting all the ink and hype and Musina none. Or are they both power forwards and Vadeeva is just a better version?


Are they really the same in build? Musina is rail thin and Vadeeva is not.

Musina should get at least some hype. People just don't bother doing any research on these players. She's significantly further from the finished product than Vadeeva, who is basically a prototypical scoring-minded post player even at this age. Musina can run the pick and roll as the ball handler and take the ball up the court herself to initiate the offense. Long term, she's probably a PF, but she's too slight to guard most older post players right now. Vadeeva can play the PF on offense with the right C, but she's really only a C on defense.


Vadeeva is a little taller.



And broader, although Vadeeva isn't built like a bruiser. Doesn't seem that either one is long-armed, as in Stewart or Delle Donne, although it would be nice not to have to estimate arm length. Musina does look too thin for playing post in the WNBA.



Somehow the USA Basketball U19 team that lost to Russia in 2017 ended up with a post from Harvard and another from Princeton.
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PostPosted: 04/18/18 10:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
tfan wrote:


And broader, although Vadeeva isn't built like a bruiser. Doesn't seem that either one is long-armed, as in Stewart or Delle Donne, although it would be nice not to have to estimate arm length. Musina does look too thin for playing post in the WNBA.




Is she thinner than Stewie? or Sanders? Bonner? Seems like there are at least some pretty skinny posts.



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PostPosted: 04/18/18 10:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
myrtle wrote:
tfan wrote:


And broader, although Vadeeva isn't built like a bruiser. Doesn't seem that either one is long-armed, as in Stewart or Delle Donne, although it would be nice not to have to estimate arm length. Musina does look too thin for playing post in the WNBA.




Is she thinner than Stewie? or Sanders? Bonner? Seems like there are at least some pretty skinny posts.


Nobody is thinner than Bonner. But I thought she was a 3. I thought about Stewart, but decided Stewart can't be compared to since she is so long-armed. Not sure about Sanders' arm length or quickness and jumping ability. But they do show that you can be a WNBA post and not built like a bruiser.





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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Game just started a couple of minutes ago, for those who want to watch.



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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Petrovic!



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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Weak dunk by Griner.



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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Vadeeva comes off the bench and hasn't even come in yet. I suppose Griner would destroy her.



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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
23-21 UMMC end of Q1



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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Cruz & Vadeeva



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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
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Vadeeva comes off the bench and hasn't even come in yet. I suppose Griner would destroy her.


I don't think Angel started either and Piph is in plain clothes. Vadeeva has looked decent since she's been in.
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Nneka hits a triple. New aspect of her game?



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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
UMMC needs to exploit Griner vs Vadeeva. Vadeeva up to two fouls.



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43-42 Kursk at the half





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PostPosted: 04/20/18 10:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Nice drive by Torrens but poor finish.



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PostPosted: 04/20/18 11:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Maya can score but man she does take some questionable shots.
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PostPosted: 04/20/18 11:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
He's right. Maya is the difference so far. The ball is moving so easily for UMMC. Let's see if Kursk can be more disruptive. They need Angel back in. All of the Kursk post have had problems with BG.

It is interesting to see how well Petrovic plays on this squad vs. Phoenix....
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PostPosted: 04/20/18 11:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Vadeeva is slow, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. I can see why teams passed on her but Agler is hopeful and can't be any worse than Diarra Laughing
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