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Who's not making the Playoffs?
Indiana
48%
 48%  [ 24 ]
Washington
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
New York
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Chicago
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
Las Vegas
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
Seattle
10%
 10%  [ 5 ]
Atlanta
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
Dallas
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Connecticut
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Phoenix
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Los Angeles
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Minnesota
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: 04/13/18 9:16 am    ::: Bottom four teams,Who's not making the Playoffs? Reply Reply with quote

Who's out?

My Picks:

Indiana
Chicago
Las Vegas
New york


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 9:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I’m really high on Wilson, and LVA made a couple key acquisitions that may work for them. I’m not sure if they’re a lottery team this year. They probably are but making the playoffs could be close for them if they gel quickly.

Looking at CHI roster, I’m not sure what’s going on. They need a couple of their dime store posts to really step up, and the rest have have to mesh together somehow. They could be a surprise or they could be a disaster. Leaning towards disaster. Lobo gave CHI the highest draft rating, even though the pieces don’t really fit and I’ve never heard of their third round pick. Just think, Lobo, this team could have had Stevens.

Washington looks pretty meh to me. Wouldn’t surprise me to see them at least flirting with the lottery.

I think ATL could surprise. I’m hoping for disaster from SEA but they’re looking better this year. Dallas should be much better. PHX looks tough if everybody is 100%. MIN, who knows? CON, another who knows. But neither are anywhere near flirting with the lottery.

Except for their third round pick, the Liberty got good value in the draft, but will that be enough to offset whatever effect the venue and coaching change has on them? They’re a bit of a wild card for me.

Sparks are the team to beat. It disturbs me that Vadeeva was so excited to be drafted to the Sparks and nobody thought to prevent it. Maybe a little collusion going on here? “Ve vill not play for you, Tim Tibow”. “Take ve hike, Poker”.



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 9:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Indiana
Las Vegas
hate to say it, but Chicago

Can't think of a 4th, will probably be some team whose best player gets injured for a big chunk of the season.


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 11:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Indiana
Las Vegas
Seattle
Chicago



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 11:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SEA has 23% so far? I hope you guys are right.



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 11:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Indy and Chicago are the easy picks. After that, a lot of 'what ifs'.



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 11:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Oh yeah Seattle. For some reason I thought they drafted Stevens instead of Canada. Agreed with WNBA09's list then.


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Under normal circumstances.Losing your second best player would be a huge blow to a WNBA basketball team.However,because EDD/EM aren't the greatest fit,the Mystics could end up with a better record playing a more conventional lineup.When EDD/EM are both on the court,guarding the SF or Center position becomes problematic.The Mystics record last season was Night & Day without Emma.10-13 w/Emma vs 8-3 without.

Despite Seattle's lack of height,and questionable decision making,I expect them to be better than they were last season.They added much-needed depth(Howard,Canada,Paris)...They just need to add a 5th post with some size(Russell?..If she gets cut) and a wing with size.

I had Chicago making the playoffs prior to the draft.Unfortunately Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As long as one of the bottom 4 is Seattle i'll be happy.



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zune69 wrote:
Under normal circumstances.Losing your second best player would be a huge blow to a WNBA basketball team.However,because EDD/EM aren't the greatest fit,the Mystics could end up with a better record playing a more conventional lineup.When EDD/EM are both on the court,guarding the SF or Center position becomes problematic.The Mystics record last season was Night & Day without Emma.10-13 w/Emma vs 8-3 without.

Despite Seattle's lack of height,and questionable decision making,I expect them to be better than they were last season.They added much-needed depth(Howard,Canada,Paris)...They just need to add a 5th post with some size(Russell?..If she gets cut) and a wing with size.

I had Chicago making the playoffs prior to the draft.Unfortunately Rolling Eyes

The record comparison is a bit misleading because EDD's and Hill's injuries happened soon after Emma came back from EuroBasket. So for a chunk of the season it was just Emma and Toliver holding it down, which is a bottom-3 worthy top 2 player combination.

EDD has taken worse squads than this year's Mystics into playoffs. If anything this season is exactly the situation she's always thrived in. Not worried in the slightest, as long as she stays reasonably healthy.


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
SEA has 23% so far? I hope you guys are right.

Co-sign.

I do feel better about this happening after the draft, though. I think other teams helped themselves for next season more than Seattle did.

Ever since Richyyy noted the possibility I have been having such wonderful dreams of a little lotto luck, an early declaration, and replacing Whalen with Ionescu.



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

chicago sky tankwagon 2018


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Seattle
New York
Indiana
Chicago



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

adamj95 wrote:
As long as one of the bottom 4 is Seattle i'll be happy.


Im sure Cheryl Reeve will be also . Poor Seattle



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
I have been having such wonderful dreams of a little lotto luck, an early declaration, and replacing Whalen with Ionescu.


Ionescu is excellent, but I don’t see her as the early declaring and not getting her degree type.... unless she’s like Anriel Howard and wraps up her degree in three years.

To me right now, nothing can top the vision of Teaira McCowan learning from Sylvia Fowles. Ohmigawd ohmigawd ohmigawd. Hey whoever has #1, you go ahead and take Kalani Brown. I want McCowan. No phone calls will be accepted.



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Locks(assuming all are healthy for the most part):
Los Angeles
Minnesota
Atlanta
New York
Connecticut
Phoenix
Dallas

Bubble:
Washington
Seattle
Las Vegas (just refuse to believe a Laimbeer led team is a lock for the lottery regardless of the talent)

Clear lottery teams:
Chicago
Indiana

From a roster standpoint I guess Las Vegas and Washington are my lottery picks. Confused


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
justintyme wrote:
I have been having such wonderful dreams of a little lotto luck, an early declaration, and replacing Whalen with Ionescu.


Ionescu is excellent, but I don’t see her as the early declaring and not getting her degree type.... unless she’s like Anriel Howard and wraps up her degree in three years.

To me right now, nothing can top the vision of Teaira McCowan learning from Sylvia Fowles. Ohmigawd ohmigawd ohmigawd. Hey whoever has #1, you go ahead and take Kalani Brown. I want McCowan. No phone calls will be accepted.


Hopefully Seattle finishes middle of the pack . Laughing



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 12:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Sparks are the team to beat. It disturbs me that Vadeeva was so excited to be drafted to the Sparks and nobody thought to prevent it. Maybe a little collusion going on here? “Ve vill not play for you, Tim Tibow”. “Take ve hike, Poker”.


I'm not surprised the Euros want to come Los Angeles. The lifestyle here is pretty amazing, if you can afford it. Wink


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 3:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

New York ain't a lock for the playoffs. They only added Nurse, Russell and some scraps. Russell replaces Raincock, Nurse (likely) replaces R. Allen and possibly Gray replaces Zahui B.



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I think I'm selling Chicago short:

*Arguably the best PG in the league.
*Two top 20 scorers(Quigley/Dolson)
*Faulkner making her return
*The additions of DD/GW/AC

Passing on Stevens could come back to bite Chicago.But that's not gonna stop Gabby from being the athletic,high enery,high IQ,super roleplayer that she's always been.And if Diamond can avg 13-15 pts with solid defense,I give chicago a legit shot at making the playoffs....Also,bringing Gabby of the bench would be the best move.If Stocks has any ideas of starting GW at PF,the Chicago Sky franchise will be doomed.


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zune69 wrote:
I think I'm selling Chicago short:

*Arguably the best PG in the league.
*Two top 20 scorers(Quigley/Dolson)
*Faulkner making her return
*The additions of DD/GW/AC

Passing on Stevens could come back to bite Chicago.But that's not gonna stop Gabby from being the athletic,high enery,high IQ,super roleplayer that she's always been.And if Diamond can avg 13-15 pts with solid defense,I give chicago a legit shot at making the playoffs....Also,bringing Gabby of the bench would be the best move.If Stocks has any ideas of starting GW at PF,the Chicago Sky franchise will be doomed.



DING DING DING ! I wont argue with her though when they play my wings , Most posters are on the start gabby at PF train . All i do is Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 6:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
I think I'm selling Chicago short:

*Arguably the best PG in the league.
*Two top 20 scorers(Quigley/Dolson)
*Faulkner making her return
*The additions of DD/GW/AC

Passing on Stevens could come back to bite Chicago.But that's not gonna stop Gabby from being the athletic,high enery,high IQ,super roleplayer that she's always been.And if Diamond can avg 13-15 pts with solid defense,I give chicago a legit shot at making the playoffs....Also,bringing Gabby of the bench would be the best move.If Stocks has any ideas of starting GW at PF,the Chicago Sky franchise will be doomed.



DING DING DING ! I wont argue with her though when they play my wings , Most posters are on the start gabby at PF train . All i do is Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Sorry WNBA 09,I had to edit my post.I'm happy for Dallas...but I just feel so bad for the Chicago Sky fans.


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 8:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
zune69 wrote:
I think I'm selling Chicago short:

*Arguably the best PG in the league.
*Two top 20 scorers(Quigley/Dolson)
*Faulkner making her return
*The additions of DD/GW/AC

Passing on Stevens could come back to bite Chicago.But that's not gonna stop Gabby from being the athletic,high enery,high IQ,super roleplayer that she's always been.And if Diamond can avg 13-15 pts with solid defense,I give chicago a legit shot at making the playoffs....Also,bringing Gabby of the bench would be the best move.If Stocks has any ideas of starting GW at PF,the Chicago Sky franchise will be doomed.



DING DING DING ! I wont argue with her though when they play my wings , Most posters are on the start gabby at PF train . All i do is Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Stop beating up on Gabby. Gotta stick up for her now since she’s a member. Mr. Green

zune69 wrote:
Sorry WNBA 09,I had to edit my post.I'm happy for Dallas...but I just feel so bad for the Chicago Sky fans.


Appreciate the sympathy, zune. Very Happy


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PostPosted: 04/13/18 8:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
justintyme wrote:
I have been having such wonderful dreams of a little lotto luck, an early declaration, and replacing Whalen with Ionescu.


Ionescu is excellent, but I don’t see her as the early declaring and not getting her degree type.... unless she’s like Anriel Howard and wraps up her degree in three years.

To me right now, nothing can top the vision of Teaira McCowan learning from Sylvia Fowles. Ohmigawd ohmigawd ohmigawd. Hey whoever has #1, you go ahead and take Kalani Brown. I want McCowan. No phone calls will be accepted.


Hopefully Seattle finishes middle of the pack . Laughing


We want PPs!
Though you wanted PPs for Dallas like crazy last year, didn't get any, and still got Azura Stevens!


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mavcarter wrote:


zune69 wrote:
Sorry WNBA 09,I had to edit my post.I'm happy for Dallas...but I just feel so bad for the Chicago Sky fans.


Appreciate the sympathy, zune. Very Happy




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SpaceJunkie wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
justintyme wrote:
I have been having such wonderful dreams of a little lotto luck, an early declaration, and replacing Whalen with Ionescu.


Ionescu is excellent, but I don’t see her as the early declaring and not getting her degree type.... unless she’s like Anriel Howard and wraps up her degree in three years.

To me right now, nothing can top the vision of Teaira McCowan learning from Sylvia Fowles. Ohmigawd ohmigawd ohmigawd. Hey whoever has #1, you go ahead and take Kalani Brown. I want McCowan. No phone calls will be accepted.


Hopefully Seattle finishes middle of the pack . Laughing


We want PPs!
Though you wanted PPs for Dallas like crazy last year, didn't get any, and still got Azura Stevens!


Yessss this was wayyyy better than any PP i could have Winged of! 2 game changing type players in 1 offseason will make you forget about PP's Laughing . Also sorry Mavcarter not trying to beat up on gabby any longer i just think she could be more successful and have a more stable career playing a position that will FORCE her to get better . SF a position i think she can rule and take to the next level. Shes the closest thing ive seen to Catch period. Mav we go way back #SQUAAAD4Liife Cool



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I believe the Aces and the Sky will make the playoffs. I believe the Fever and the Storm will not make the playoffs. My predictions are based on the health and availability of the key players for each team. If any players are unavailable for a long time then of course my prediction will change. Wink



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Can somebody explain the Storm not making the playoffs? Trust me, I would LOVE if they didn’t make the playoffs. Me and SpaceJunkie would throw a parade for Reeve. I’m just not seeing it.... I need a thorough explanation. Is it because you don’t believe in Dan Hughes.... he kinda drove San Antonio out of business? I know he may have went for need in this draft instead of the best player available, but that can’t be the only explanation. Hughes is probably a good coach. He was just not able to build a great roster in San Antonio, but now he has one already built. It’s kinda like Curt Miller going into CON with a formidable roster mostly built by Ann Donovan. Hughes has got a MVP level player in Stewart going into her third year. He’s got one of the best PG’s of all time who still seems to be in pretty good shape. And then he has Jewell Loyd. There’s your three headed monster right there. He also has some key role players in Langhorne, Clark, Paris, Howard, and Whitcomb. So they go 8 deep fairly nicely. Plus they’ve added intriguing prospects in Canada, Crvendakic, and Muldrow (myrtle’s fav). And then the only player player I haven’t mentioned is KML, who some people will always believe in. This is not exactly the worse roster to be working with.



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Shades wrote:
Can somebody explain the Storm not making the playoffs? Trust me, I would LOVE if they didn’t make the playoffs. Me and SpaceJunkie would throw a parade for Reeve. I’m just not seeing it.... I need a thorough explanation. Is it because you don’t believe in Dan Hughes.... he kinda drive San Antonio out of business? I know he may have went for need in this draft instead of the best player available, but that can’t be the only explanation. Hughes is probably a good coach. He was just not able to build a great roster in San Antonio, but now he has one already built. It’s kinda like Curt Miller going into CON with a formidable roster mostly built by Ann Donovan. Hughes has got a MVP level player in Stewart going into her third year. He’s got one of the best PG’s of all time who still seems to be in pretty good shape. And then he has Jewell Loyd. There’s your three headed monster right there. He also has some key role players in Langhorne, Clark, Paris, Howard, and Whitcomb. So they go 8 deep fairly nicely. Plus they’ve added intriguing prospects in Canada, Crvendakic, and Muldrow (myrtle’s fav). And then the only player player I haven’t mentioned is KML, who some people will always believe in. This is not exactly the worse roster to be working with.


Its a better roster then the Aces, Fever, Sky have and will compete with the Mystics and maybe the Liberty for that last spot in the playoffs



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I think people are being very optimistic about the integration of new players into their team. Like the tendency to ignore defense, fans think teamwork just happens. Remember when Phoenix drafted Griner and everyone just assumed they'd win the championship? Well, it happened -- a year later. The season Griner arrived, the team was pretty mediocre. And did the arrival of EDD and Toliver make Washington an instant juggernaut last year? If you think about it, WNBA training camps are just two weeks long. For much of that time, you've got stars missing because they're still playing overseas. This is no way to develop cohesion and team chemistry. Many teams will not see the full benefits of new players until mid-season, some at the end of the season, and some may have to wait until next year. To that extent, all these maligned teams that made minimal changes may actually have an advantage. If the team was good last year and they remain healthy, then having continuity should help them get off to a good start.

And remember, the benefits of new players are not fully additive. Their minutes mean the reduction of minutes for returning players. Their shots mean fewer shots for teammates. If your team averaged 80 ppg last season, adding a 20 ppg scorer won't result in a squad that averages 100 ppg. Razz In short, it's fine to be optimistic, but don't go crazy. Even if you have all the puzzle pieces on the table, it doesn't mean you can put the puzzle together quickly.



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what's the situation with KML. Where is she playing overseas and how is she doing? Any indication of 'better' shape?



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Agree with Root in terms of team chemistry. I think the best bet for a new player to help immediately would be in “measurable” areas such as rebounding or height where chemistry and adjustment to a system is less important. As such, I think Paris and Howard should help Seattle not yield ten offensive rebounds per game...their big weakness last year. It’s the same reason I think Nurse and Russell provide immediate help to NY. Both players add a measurable the Libs don’t have.

OTOH nobody has Dallas missing the playoffs but I’m not sold. The Tulsa/Dallas teams have never defended well or finished games well with or without Cambage. Till I see them do it, I think their talent is just that. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2 or 3 games separating fifth place from tenth. The Liberty, for instance, don’t have as much offensive talent as Dallas or Seattle. But in the last few years, they’ve finished close games better than either of those two teams due to defense and rebounding. Seattle looks better to me this year based on rebounding (though their defense will be weak...imagine Bird and Paris defending the pick and roll) but Dallas has never been a good defensive team. Can somebody provide any substantive rationale why this year should be different? Stevens is a nice prospect but rookie posts usually go through a learning experience on D. So even her addition doesn’t do it for me.

For the same reason, I think Vegas will. Their team defense should be much better and Laimbeer’s coaching is probably good for 2 or 3 wins over their expected W-L based on point differential.



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2 votes for the Lynx? Motivation opportunity for Reeve? Laughing Laughing



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Mav we go way back #SQUAAAD4Liife Cool


Almost forgot you were my partner in crime. Cool Mr. Green


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PostPosted: 04/14/18 7:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What did Seattle do to improve their defense?


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Aladyyn wrote:
What did Seattle do to improve their defense?


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pilight wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
What did Seattle do to improve their defense?


Change coaches

I remain unconvinced.


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We Seattle Storm are so making the playoffs, and we will go far if not all the way to the finals. #Threepeat Bird’s gonna retire with a third ‘ship.



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Aces, Fever, Sky, and the Liberty.


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