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PostPosted: 04/05/18 8:53 pm    ::: Late Training Camp Arrivals 2018 Reply Reply with quote

It is time to start thinking about which players will still be overseas when training camp opens. I will list out everything that has already been scheduled and try to wait to add any leagues that have not provided everything yet. Camps open on the 29th and the roster deadline is May 17th. If you think I'm missing a league, let me know.

Australia, China, South Korea, and Lebanon are done. Israel will definitely be done by then.

Slovakia (Devereaux Peters and Shatori Walker-Kimbrough) does not have games listed beyond the minimum yet, but could end as soon as the 16th.

The Russian round robin for 9th-11th place ends on the 17th so Evelyn Akhator and Lindsay Allen will be done then.

The regular season in Greece does not end until the 29th so Blake Dietrick will definitely be late.

I am assuming the results of Spain's playoffs will end up with another Girona-Avenida final. The semifinals will end a week before camp and the finals will end either the 29th or May 3rd. Assuming those two teams are involved, the players left would be Angel Robinson and Adaora Elonu.

Game 1 of the finals in Italy will not start until May 5th with at least two more games after that. I will not try to speculate on which teams will be involved at that point.

The earliest that any team in France will finish their season is May 8th with semifinals ending on the 12th. Last year, some of the teams that were no longer in championship contention let their WNBA players leave early. The finals will not end until either the 24th, 26th, or 28th. The consolation finals will end on either the 19th or 22nd. The Playdowns lineup has been finalized and will not end until the 12th. The only WNBA implications of that are for Mondeville if anyone was hoping that Lisa Berkani was going to show up for camp.

Leagues that I am waiting on for more schedule information are Sweden, Romania, Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Turkey, and the rest of Russia's postseason.
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PostPosted: 04/06/18 8:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jessica January did not play in her team's latest game in Romania so she might have been allowed to leave.

Spanish media is suggesting that Ameryst Alston left without permission after the team's last regular season game. Depending on how the team feels about it, this could actually be a big deal and they could delay the Letter of Clearance that would allow her to play for another team.
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PostPosted: 04/06/18 8:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Jessica January did not play in her team's latest game in Romania so she might have been allowed to leave.

Spanish media is suggesting that Ameryst Alston left without permission after the team's last regular season game. Depending on how the team feels about it, this could actually be a big deal and they could delay the Letter of Clearance that would allow her to play for another team.


She only has this one shot to make it why not be there at the beginning to at least secure a thought of a spot. Shes been close to making the liberty roster more and more each year. This could be the year so she needs to be on time.



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PostPosted: 04/07/18 3:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
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Jessica January did not play in her team's latest game in Romania so she might have been allowed to leave.

Spanish media is suggesting that Ameryst Alston left without permission after the team's last regular season game. Depending on how the team feels about it, this could actually be a big deal and they could delay the Letter of Clearance that would allow her to play for another team.


She only has this one shot to make it why not be there at the beginning to at least secure a thought of a spot. Shes been close to making the liberty roster more and more each year. This could be the year so she needs to be on time.


She almost certainly would have been done in time for camp in either case.

Depending on how the team feels that this went down, they could tie up everything in paperwork and prevent her from suiting up in the WNBA. They could also make it difficult or block her from playing elsewhere overseas in the future it they turn it into a bigger dispute.
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PostPosted: 04/07/18 3:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I could see them hypothetically being able to make things complicated for her next overseas contract, but could they actually do anything to block her from the WNBA? I've never been sure that the W really counted as a FIBA league, or that they recognised FIBA as having any level of control or oversight over them.

Thanks for doing this thread again, awhom111. Always very useful.



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PostPosted: 04/08/18 3:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
I could see them hypothetically being able to make things complicated for her next overseas contract, but could they actually do anything to block her from the WNBA? I've never been sure that the W really counted as a FIBA league, or that they recognised FIBA as having any level of control or oversight over them.

Thanks for doing this thread again, awhom111. Always very useful.


USA Basketball has instructions for Letters of Clearance so I am assuming they get processed, although I guess that they could just use them for transfers in the other direction. They wouldn't be able to outright block her from the WNBA without complicity from the Spanish federation, but a paperwork "delay" might still cause hassles.

Obviously the WNBA does not follow FIBA guidelines on other stuff, namely doping.

The only Letter of Clearance issue that I can remember off the top of my head here is when somebody forgot that Ferguson needed one after his season was over in Australia and he was not able to play in the NBA Summer League until it was resolved.
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PostPosted: 04/11/18 8:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Slovakia ended in a sweep so those players are done.

Israel also had a sweep, but they were going to be done before training camp no matter how many games it went.

Poland's quarterfinals are done. The semifinals can run as late as the 22nd and there is usually a third place series in addition to the finals. Here are the players affected:
Wisla: Cheyenne Parker
Polkowice: Alysha Clark, Temi Fagbenle, Alana Beard (still has not played since injury)
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PostPosted: 04/11/18 9:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
Slovakia ended in a sweep so those players are done.

Israel also had a sweep, but they were going to be done before training camp no matter how many games it went.

Poland's quarterfinals are done. The semifinals can run as late as the 22nd and there is usually a third place series in addition to the finals. Here are the players affected:
Wisla: Cheyenne Parker
Polkowice: Alysha Clark, Temi Fagbenle, Alana Beard (still has not played since injury)


What injury do you speak of?



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PostPosted: 04/12/18 8:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

For those wondering, Julia Reisingerova's season is over. She didn't play much down the stretch so an injury might be involved there too.

Park Ji-Su is likely to have plenty of national team plans.

We still don't know what Diamond's schedule will be like for the Turkish League Playoffs.

hangtyme24 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Slovakia ended in a sweep so those players are done.

Israel also had a sweep, but they were going to be done before training camp no matter how many games it went.

Poland's quarterfinals are done. The semifinals can run as late as the 22nd and there is usually a third place series in addition to the finals. Here are the players affected:
Wisla: Cheyenne Parker
Polkowice: Alysha Clark, Temi Fagbenle, Alana Beard (still has not played since injury)


What injury do you speak of?


Nobody actually knows. It's even a mystery in Poland. Apparently bad enough for them to just let her go home though.
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PostPosted: 04/12/18 8:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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For those wondering, Julia Reisingerova's season is over. She didn't play much down the stretch so an injury might be involved there too.

Park Ji-Su is likely to have plenty of national team plans.

We still don't know what Diamond's schedule will be like for the Turkish League Playoffs.

hangtyme24 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Slovakia ended in a sweep so those players are done.

Israel also had a sweep, but they were going to be done before training camp no matter how many games it went.

Poland's quarterfinals are done. The semifinals can run as late as the 22nd and there is usually a third place series in addition to the finals. Here are the players affected:
Wisla: Cheyenne Parker
Polkowice: Alysha Clark, Temi Fagbenle, Alana Beard (still has not played since injury)


What injury do you speak of?


Nobody actually knows. It's even a mystery in Poland. Apparently bad enough for them to just let her go home though.


Beard is still playing overseas? I didn't know that.



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PostPosted: 04/12/18 11:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

adamj95 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
For those wondering, Julia Reisingerova's season is over. She didn't play much down the stretch so an injury might be involved there too.

Park Ji-Su is likely to have plenty of national team plans.

We still don't know what Diamond's schedule will be like for the Turkish League Playoffs.

hangtyme24 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Slovakia ended in a sweep so those players are done.

Israel also had a sweep, but they were going to be done before training camp no matter how many games it went.

Poland's quarterfinals are done. The semifinals can run as late as the 22nd and there is usually a third place series in addition to the finals. Here are the players affected:
Wisla: Cheyenne Parker
Polkowice: Alysha Clark, Temi Fagbenle, Alana Beard (still has not played since injury)


What injury do you speak of?


Nobody actually knows. It's even a mystery in Poland. Apparently bad enough for them to just let her go home though.


Beard is still playing overseas? I didn't know that.


For one glorious game:
http://basketligakobiet.pl/zawodniczki/p/33251/alana-beard.html

I think the idea was to sign later in the season to get in shape before the WNBA season, but it did not work as well as last year.
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PostPosted: 04/12/18 11:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
adamj95 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
For those wondering, Julia Reisingerova's season is over. She didn't play much down the stretch so an injury might be involved there too.

Park Ji-Su is likely to have plenty of national team plans.

We still don't know what Diamond's schedule will be like for the Turkish League Playoffs.

hangtyme24 wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Slovakia ended in a sweep so those players are done.

Israel also had a sweep, but they were going to be done before training camp no matter how many games it went.

Poland's quarterfinals are done. The semifinals can run as late as the 22nd and there is usually a third place series in addition to the finals. Here are the players affected:
Wisla: Cheyenne Parker
Polkowice: Alysha Clark, Temi Fagbenle, Alana Beard (still has not played since injury)


What injury do you speak of?


Nobody actually knows. It's even a mystery in Poland. Apparently bad enough for them to just let her go home though.


Beard is still playing overseas? I didn't know that.


For one glorious game:
http://basketligakobiet.pl/zawodniczki/p/33251/alana-beard.html

I think the idea was to sign later in the season to get in shape before the WNBA season, but it did not work as well as last year.


I feel bad for her if she has an injury that she had to leave her overseas team. It's amazing she's still playing professional basketball.



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PostPosted: 04/13/18 10:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sweden finishes on the 23rd, 25th, or 28th so there's not much time for Jen Hamson before she hits training camp.

Italy's semifinalists have been decided, but I have not seen a schedule yet. The series start on the 21st and are best of five.

Here are the teams left:
Schio: Cecilia Zandalasini, Jolene Anderson, Endy Miyem
Venezia: Riquna Williams, Camille Little
Ragusa: Dearica Hamby, Astou Ndour
Napoli: Jacki Gemelos (I think Kelsey Bone returned a while ago)
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PostPosted: 04/15/18 2:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Czech League likely ends on May 2nd with Games 4 and 5 on the 4th and 6th if miracles happen. That affects DeWanna Bonner, who has not played recently, Amanda Zahui B, and Leticia Romero.

The Turkish League has not announced a schedule yet, but we know the matchups and which players are done. I would assume that none of the players in the playoffs will make it to the opening of training camp even with sweeps.

Yakin Dogu University (Courtney Vandersloot, Kayla McBride, Jantel Lavender) vs Galatasaray (Allie Quigley, Kaela Davis)
Hatay (Courtney Paris, Leilani Mitchell, Hind Ben Abdelkader) vs Mersin (Bria Hartley, Krystal Thomas)
Fenerbahce (Kia Vaughn, Ana Dabovic, Kelsey Plum) vs Besiktas (Shavonte Zellous, Erica Wheeler)
Botas (Chelsea Gray, Kiah Stokes) vs Cukurova (Erlana Larkins, Diamond DeShields)

That means that Jasmine Thomas, Brittney Sykes, and Courtney Williams are done.
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PostPosted: 04/16/18 8:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The 27th or 28th is the earliest that anyone can be eliminated from the Turkish playoffs.

Russia has announced part of their playoff schedule.

The finals will end on the 2nd, 4th, or 7th. That would be Ekaterinburg (Maya Moore, Brittney Griner, Kristi Toliver, LaToya Pringle, Jamierra Faulkner, Raisa Musina) vs Dynamo Kursk (Epiphanny Prince, Angel McCoughtry, Nneka Ogwumike, Maria Vadeeva)

The 3rd place series will end on the 28th, 29th, or 2nd (Alex Bentley, Emma Cannon, Brionna Jones)

The 7th place series has not been scheduled yet (Cierra Burdick), but should be no worse than the 3rd place series.
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PostPosted: 04/17/18 8:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That 7th place series in Russia will end on the 24th or 27th.

The Italian League Semifinals Game 3s are scheduled for the 25th and 26th, Game 4s are on the 27th and 28th, and if there are Game 5s, they will be on the 30th.
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PostPosted: 04/19/18 8:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The semifinals are not done yet, but we have a schedule for the finals in Poland.

Wisla (Cheyenne Parker) will finish on the 27th or 29th. Polkowice (Alysha Clark, Temi Fagbenle) will finish on the 30th, 1st, or 4th.

Finals are also scheduled in Hungary. The championship will feature Erica McCall for Szekszard and Yvonne Turner and Aleksandra Crvendakic for Sopron, but probably not Alaina Coates. It will end on either the 3rd, 6th, or 10th. Danielle Robinson has not played for Gyor recently, but their season ends on the 27th or 30th. Ivey Slaughter and Pecsi will be done on the 21st or 24th so she has plenty of time to get back.
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PostPosted: 04/21/18 2:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hungary's 7th Place series is over so Ivey Slaughter is done.

Sweden will take at least 4 games.
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PostPosted: 04/23/18 7:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Both series in Italy will run at least four games.
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Sweden is done.
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PostPosted: 04/27/18 8:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hungary's third place series is done, but Danielle Robinson did not play in any of the games.

Napoli was eliminated in Italy, so Jacki Gemelos is free.

Besiktas was eliminated in Turkey so Shavonte Zellous and Erica Wheeler are done. Wheeler did not play in either playoff game. Mersin and Hatay will play a currently unscheduled third game.

Poland's third place series will go a third game on Sunday so Cheyenne Parker is still there.
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PostPosted: 04/27/18 8:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Hungary's third place series is done, but Danielle Robinson did not play in any of the games.


Does that mean she left or she’s hurt?


Is Tiffany Jackson still playing overseas?



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PostPosted: 04/27/18 11:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Hungary's third place series is done, but Danielle Robinson did not play in any of the games.


Does that mean she left or she’s hurt?


Is Tiffany Jackson still playing overseas?


Twitter seems to suggest that she is physically in Minnesota. Whether that means that she wouldn't have been able to contribute in Hungary or whether they just didn't care that much about third place is unclear.

Jackson finished a few weeks ago in Israel.
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PostPosted: 04/28/18 5:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Russia's third place series is done so Alex Bentley, Emma Cannon, and Brionna Jones are done.

The other series in Italy will not conclude until Monday.

Galatasaray (Allie Quigley and Kaela Davis) and Botas (Chelsea Gray and Kiah Stokes) were eliminated in Turkey. The third game of the only series still going will be played on Monday.

Last year, some of the players left France after their teams were eliminated from championship contention so Sugar Rodgers might be done after losing today.
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PostPosted: 04/29/18 1:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Spain is done.

One Turkish Semifinals series has the first three games scheduled so the soonest one could finish is the 7th.
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Poland is done so Alysha Clark and Temi Fagbenle can come back.

Venezia loses so Riquna Williams and Camille Little are done. I do not see days for Games 3 through 5 yet for Italy, but Game 2 will be on Saturday.

Mersin loses so Bria Hartley and Krystal Thomas are done.

YDU-Cukurova will end on either the 8th, 11th, or 14th. Hatay-Fenerbahce will end on either the 9th, 12th, or 15th. One can only guess how late finals will run if they go to five games after one of these series goes the distance.
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In France, Bourges-Lyon (Rebecca Allen) ends on the 8th or 12th. Charleville-Tarbes (Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis) ends on the 9th or 13th. There is no third place series. If Sugar Rodgers continues with Lattes Montpellier, their next series ends on the 8th or 12th.
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In France, Bourges-Lyon (Rebecca Allen) ends on the 8th or 12th. Charleville-Tarbes (Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis) ends on the 9th or 13th. There is no third place series. If Sugar Rodgers continues with Lattes Montpellier, their next series ends on the 8th or 12th.


Good to know that KML is playing overseas and is healthy



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PostPosted: 05/02/18 8:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As noted elsewhere, Russia's finals ended in a sweep.

As expected, the Czech finals also ended in a sweep. That frees up Amanda Zahui B, Leticia Romero, and DeWanna Bonner who has not played in a while.
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As expected, the Czech finals also ended in a sweep. That frees up Amanda Zahui B, Leticia Romero, and DeWanna Bonner who has not played in a while.


Zahui is a bawse.
Bonner was playing in scrimmages in the PHX training camp today.



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It has not been a bad year for lateness.

The Hungarian finals end in a sweep so Yvonne Turner, Erica McCall and Aleksandra Crvendakic are done.

The finals schedule in Italy has them ending on either the 8th, 10th, or 13th.
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Cukurova wins Game 2 so that series will go at least to Game 4.

Schio keeps the possibility of a sweep alive with a big comeback.

Sugar Rodgers did not play for Lattes Montpellier so she's probably been allowed to leave.
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DeShields is gonna miss at least a week of training camp. That’s not good for a rookie. People think she’s gonna catch up and be a starter? Oh, the nativity.



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Italy's going at least to Thursday now that Ragusa won a game.

Yakin Dogu University won Game 3.

Bourges beat Lyon to complete the sweep. Rebecca Allen is done. Valeriane Ayayi will not finish her season until either the 24th, 26th, or 28th which feels like it will doom her chances this year. Of course she could randomly pop up in .com boxscores.
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Do all these leagues finish at about the same time they do every year?
So if a player signs up for a certain league, they should know that they will probably be late to camp.
Same goes for GM's. They should know who's going to be very late, and avoid signing such a player if they are the bubble type?



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Italy's going at least to Thursday now that Ragusa won a game.

But on the bright side for Lynx fans, Miyem back in the lineup for Schio after missing the last few games.



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Charleville is eliminated so Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis can return.

Hatay was swept so Leilani Mitchell, Courtney Paris, and Hind Ben Abdelkader are done. That means at least three more games for Kia Vaughn, Ana Dabovic, and Kelsey Plum. Dabovic has been the foreigner to sit in most of the games this postseason so far.

Shades wrote:
Do all these leagues finish at about the same time they do every year?
So if a player signs up for a certain league, they should know that they will probably be late to camp.
Same goes for GM's. They should know who's going to be very late, and avoid signing such a player if they are the bubble type?


Some schedules are fixed while others can move up the end of the season if series end early or if teams are not involved in European competition. These three leagues have run pretty late in recent years so some of it was predictable.
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Italy goes the maximum so those players are there through Sunday.
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Cukurova looked like they might force a fifth game, but they lost so Erlana Larkins and Diamond DeShields are free.

The result also means that the finals will start earlier, but it appears that the earliest they will finish is the 19th.
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Cukurova looked like they might force a fifth game, but they lost so Erlana Larkins and Diamond DeShields are free.

The result also means that the finals will start earlier, but it appears that the earliest they will finish is the 19th.


So for those who don’t memorize who is on overseas teams, the earliest McBride, Lavender, Vandersloot, Vaughn, and Plum will finish is May 19. The WNBA season starts May 18 and every team will have played a game by May 20.

What would happen if any of them bailed?



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Shades wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Cukurova looked like they might force a fifth game, but they lost so Erlana Larkins and Diamond DeShields are free.

The result also means that the finals will start earlier, but it appears that the earliest they will finish is the 19th.


So for those who don’t memorize who is on overseas teams, the earliest McBride, Lavender, Vandersloot, Vaughn, and Plum will finish is May 19. The WNBA season starts May 18 and every team will have played a game by May 20.

What would happen if any of them bailed?


If they bailed their WNBA team would have no problem with the fact that they left their higher-paying European team in the playoffs. So I guess it would be no problem for them.


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tfan wrote:
Shades wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
Cukurova looked like they might force a fifth game, but they lost so Erlana Larkins and Diamond DeShields are free.

The result also means that the finals will start earlier, but it appears that the earliest they will finish is the 19th.


So for those who don’t memorize who is on overseas teams, the earliest McBride, Lavender, Vandersloot, Vaughn, and Plum will finish is May 19. The WNBA season starts May 18 and every team will have played a game by May 20.

What would happen if any of them bailed?


If they bailed their WNBA team would have no problem with the fact that they left their higher-paying European team in the playoffs. So I guess it would be no problem for them.


The WNBA team might not have a problem, but it could affect them trying to go overseas if teams are concerned about them leaving they might not be willing to offer them as much money or opt to sign a different player all together.



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Game 4 in Turkey is scheduled for Monday.
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Any word on game 5?



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