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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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If anything it's a foul on Mabrey for gabbing Ionescu's arm as she ran by.


Is there anything about ND that you won't bitch about?

It's really getting old.



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If anything it's a foul on Mabrey for gabbing Ionescu's arm as she ran by.


Is there anything about ND that you won't bitch about?

It's really getting old.


I agree with him. Mabrey initiated the contact. Guess it was karma that Young sat on her head.

Ionescu needs to stop playing hero ball.



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I can't stand Mabrey's attitude either.


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I can't stand Mabrey's attitude either.


If they play UConn, it will be the two flop queens against each other. I think KLS will have her beat though.



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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Terrible 3rd quarter by Oregon.


Graves needs to hire a defensive specialist coach.


Can't be too critical of Graves here. Notre Dame gets a lot of those same plays against UConn. Oregon's problem is that Hebard/Sabally aren't 5's, are getting trampled by Shepard and are sophomore/freshman.


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I can't stand Mabrey's attitude either.


She plays with an edge. Same as sophie Cunningham but marina is not half as dirty of a player in my opinion. Marina is the MVP of this team if they win the title hands down muffetts best coaching performance ever.



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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I like ND's all-chubby five lineup.
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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This loss has to be on Kelly Graves for literally making no defensive adjustment.


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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I am so tired of players being allowed to switch pivot feet without a travel being called...it happens in every game all the time. Drives me crazy.


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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sabally playing like a Freshman. Especially on defense, she just has no clue. They're better at this point with big body McGwire in there. I know she frustrates Graves because of lack of mobility but at least she provides some post defense.


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Sabally playing like a Freshman. Especially on defense, she just has no clue. They're better at this point with big body McGwire in there. I know she frustrates Graves because of lack of mobility but at least she provides some post defense.


But she clogs the middle for Hebard, much like Shepard might do for Turner next season.


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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Muffet out-halftimed Kelly.



It might be a bit by design. With such a short bench, you don't want to rack up the fouls in the 1st half.


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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Both these teams get upgrades next season and should be at least top 5 preseason.


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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Oregon put up a good fight, but they aren't getting past ND by letting Westbeld stand around in the paint wide open all game long.

Fun watching Bando shoot the ball the last 4 years. The Ducks are young so next year they'll be right back at it next season.

Congrats ND. I hope you have a better game plan than slow it down like SoCar did.


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PostPosted: 03/26/18 9:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And with 30 seconds left Shepard gets call for an over the back. Rolling Eyes


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I am really impressed with what Muffet and her staff have been able to do with this team this year. All those injuries and they are getting to the Final Four. It has really been pretty remarkable.


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PostPosted: 03/26/18 10:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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myrtle wrote:
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Terrible 3rd quarter by Oregon.


Graves needs to hire a defensive specialist coach.


Can't be too critical of Graves here. Notre Dame gets a lot of those same plays against UConn. Oregon's problem is that Hebard/Sabally aren't 5's, are getting trampled by Shepard and are sophomore/freshman.


Kelly Graves is a very good coach. No doubt about it. And I agree some of the issues here are the youthfulness on the floor. Still they've struggled all year defensively and they're just too good a team to be abused this way. It's like their offense is good enough that they don't have to defend a lot of teams, but now when they need it, it ain't there. Specifically there were numerous sets where ND had three offensive players around the 3 pt line and two in the paint...and where was Oregon's defense? They had 4 players out at the three pt line. What happens? Post layup. Duh. I mean it doesn't take a genius to realize that defensive set isn't going to work. Once, ok, but multiple times in the same game? Nuh,uh. And really, the scout on ND is that you have to guard Arike and Mabrey out there, but Young is only gonna score on drives so it's not like you need 4 defenders on the three of them! Hence my comment that they need a defensive coach...



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PostPosted: 03/26/18 10:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Muffet uber alles.

Came into this game strongly rooting against ND, but Oregon's non-teamwork offense and non-teamwork defense completely turned me off, and turned me.

So, it's another UConn-ND repeat. Ugh.
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I am really impressed with what Muffet and her staff have been able to do with this team this year. All those injuries and they are getting to the Final Four. It has really been pretty remarkable.


agree. Grats to ND and what they've accomplished.



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myrtle wrote:
Sabally playing like a Freshman. Especially on defense, she just has no clue. They're better at this point with big body McGwire in there. I know she frustrates Graves because of lack of mobility but at least she provides some post defense.


But she clogs the middle for Hebard, much like Shepard might do for Turner next season.


Actually on offense, they play her more like a 4 - she has touch out to about 15 ft. But defensively she's great in the paint against players with size and bulk.

Plus Sabally had no idea how to play help side defense. It's too late in the year to claim it's because she's a Freshman.



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Oregon is going to love having Erin Boley next year to go along with Ruthy Hebard and Sabrina Ionescu and the Sabally sisters and Maite. Lots of talent returning. I think they are certainly a preaseason pick for Final Four next year. Still feels like a missed opportunity tonight but happens! Congrats to Notre Dame, can't wait to watch you get the S#%& knocked out of you on Friday Wink


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Both these teams get upgrades next season and should be at least top 5 preseason.


I Got Top 5

1. Notre Dame
2. UCONN
3. Oregon
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rebounds 51-29. That tells the story.



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If anything it's a foul on Mabrey for gabbing Ionescu's arm as she ran by.


Is there anything about ND that you won't bitch about?

It's really getting old.


I agree with him. Mabrey initiated the contact. Guess it was karma that Young sat on her head.

Ionescu needs to stop playing hero ball.


You need to go back and look at it again...and not listen to what the announcer says.

MM was just standing there when SI ran into her. She did not stick her arm out. She did not grab her. I'm wondering if she hit MM's sore hand.



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Oregon is going to love having Erin Boley next year to go along with Ruthy Hebard and Sabrina Ionescu and the Sabally sisters and Maite. Lots of talent returning. I think they are certainly a preaseason pick for Final Four next year. Still feels like a missed opportunity tonight but happens! Congrats to Notre Dame, can't wait to watch you get the S#%& knocked out of you on Friday Wink


Except they don't need more scoring, they need someone who can play defense, and Boley's not it.

Now speaking of final four picks, Note Dame returns Ogunbowale, Young, Mabrey and Shepard, gets Brianna Turner back, gets 6'4" Mikayla Vaughn back, and adds several terrific freshmen guards.


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Oregon is going to love having Erin Boley next year to go along with Ruthy Hebard and Sabrina Ionescu and the Sabally sisters and Maite. Lots of talent returning. I think they are certainly a preaseason pick for Final Four next year. Still feels like a missed opportunity tonight but happens! Congrats to Notre Dame, can't wait to watch you get the S#%& knocked out of you on Friday Wink


Boley should be a big time pick up for them next season. I had high hopes for her with the Irish but she could not produce. Still who will defend?



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they had the easiest path to this game tonite than anybody....next yr, if they make the 16, they'll play their 4 first games at Eugene or Portland....

pac 12 will be stronger next year...they better not try to live on their reputation or a single player...Oregon state found out that rep means nothing..

very boring game imo....


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Hoops9092 wrote:
Oregon is going to love having Erin Boley next year to go along with Ruthy Hebard and Sabrina Ionescu and the Sabally sisters and Maite. Lots of talent returning. I think they are certainly a preaseason pick for Final Four next year. Still feels like a missed opportunity tonight but happens! Congrats to Notre Dame, can't wait to watch you get the S#%& knocked out of you on Friday Wink


Except they don't need more scoring, they need someone who can play defense, and Boley's not it.

Now speaking of final four picks, Note Dame returns Ogunbowale, Young, Mabrey and Shepard, gets Brianna Turner back, gets 6'4" Mikayla Vaughn back, and adds several terrific freshmen guards.


Bingo they're my preseason #1.



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When I heard the part about Graves apparently saying "Let's make Westbeld beat us." I just laughed. The main reason she doesn't score as much is because the others are Agunbowale, Mabrey, Young, and Shepard. It's not that she can't score. It's just that there are so many other options.


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When I heard the part about Graves apparently saying "Let's make Westbeld beat us." I just laughed. The main reason she doesn't score as much is because the others are Agunbowale, Mabrey, Young, and Shepard. It's not that she can't score. It's just that there are so many other options.



She got 20 on 75% shooting and 7 boards. Guess he got what he wanted.



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Young getting used by Ionescu.


Guess she heard you and began to abuse the user in the 2nd half Laughing



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It's kind of trite to say this, but I think this loss should help Oregon over the next couple of years. I hope they spend a lot of time breaking down the video and come to a better understanding of what they need to do to be a really top team, not just be close to a top team. Kelly make it happen!

Also, wanna give a shout out to Bando who really helped her team as the lone senior who got minutes. They will miss her corner threes and her hustle. Best wishes to her as she goes out into the big, bad world.



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Just heard on the local news that the ND/UConn game will be at 9:30.



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Oregon not making the final four next season would be a huge disappointment...I honestly thought they were going to win this game.


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myrtle wrote:
It's kind of trite to say this, but I think this loss should help Oregon over the next couple of years. I hope they spend a lot of time breaking down the video and come to a better understanding of what they need to do to be a really top team, not just be close to a top team. Kelly make it happen!

Also, wanna give a shout out to Bando who really helped her team as the lone senior who got minutes. They will miss her corner threes and her hustle. Best wishes to her as she goes out into the big, bad world.


I wouldn't be surprised if Oregon ended up a #1 seed and in the Final Four next year. I also agree that Oregon will learn from this. They are a young team after all. They just need to work more on their defense.


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I am really impressed with what Muffet and her staff have been able to do with this team this year. All those injuries and they are getting to the Final Four. It has really been pretty remarkable.


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purduefanatic wrote:
I am really impressed with what Muffet and her staff have been able to do with this team this year. All those injuries and they are getting to the Final Four. It has really been pretty remarkable.


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Why couldn't Muffet be good enough of a coach to win games other years? Maybe Notre Dame would have won a National Title this past decade then.


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SpaceJunkie wrote:
WfanFrJmp wrote:
purduefanatic wrote:
I am really impressed with what Muffet and her staff have been able to do with this team this year. All those injuries and they are getting to the Final Four. It has really been pretty remarkable.


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Why couldn't Muffet be good enough of a coach to win games other years? Maybe Notre Dame would have won a National Title this past decade then.


Because Geno is a better coach?



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pilight wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
WfanFrJmp wrote:
purduefanatic wrote:
I am really impressed with what Muffet and her staff have been able to do with this team this year. All those injuries and they are getting to the Final Four. It has really been pretty remarkable.


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Why couldn't Muffet be good enough of a coach to win games other years? Maybe Notre Dame would have won a National Title this past decade then.


Because Geno is a better coach?


So that explains why Notre Dame lost in the 2011 & 2012 Championship games Smile


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Oregon not making the final four next season would be a huge disappointment...I honestly thought they were going to win this game.


What would make you think that?

I can understand a fan hoping they would win, but what evidence or track record would have led you to objectively conclude they were likely to win?

ND's injury-shortened bench is the only thing I can think of that might have supported such a conclusion.


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SpaceJunkie wrote:
pilight wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
WfanFrJmp wrote:
purduefanatic wrote:
I am really impressed with what Muffet and her staff have been able to do with this team this year. All those injuries and they are getting to the Final Four. It has really been pretty remarkable.


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Why couldn't Muffet be good enough of a coach to win games other years? Maybe Notre Dame would have won a National Title this past decade then.


Because Geno is a better coach?


So that explains why Notre Dame lost in the 2011 & 2012 Championship games Smile


The 2011 year was, ugh! It was a tossup game between two teams that hadn't been to the NC game, at least in along time. ND just lost the coin flip.

However, you think ND lost 2012 because of coaching? How did mighty UConn do against 2012 Baylor? You have heard of a player named Griner, right?

BTW, I'd argue that Auriemma is a better recruiter. That's the part of his coaching that he has over McGraw. McGraw is closing the gap there, though.


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CBiebel wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
pilight wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
WfanFrJmp wrote:
purduefanatic wrote:
I am really impressed with what Muffet and her staff have been able to do with this team this year. All those injuries and they are getting to the Final Four. It has really been pretty remarkable.


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Why couldn't Muffet be good enough of a coach to win games other years? Maybe Notre Dame would have won a National Title this past decade then.


Because Geno is a better coach?


So that explains why Notre Dame lost in the 2011 & 2012 Championship games Smile


The 2011 year was, ugh! It was a tossup game between two teams that hadn't been to the NC game, at least in along time. ND just lost the coin flip.

However, you think ND lost 2012 because of coaching? How did mighty UConn do against 2012 Baylor? You have heard of a player named Griner, right?

BTW, I'd argue that Auriemma is a better recruiter. That's the part of his coaching that he has over McGraw. McGraw is closing the gap there, though.


Recruiting is the key to his success. McGraw may be benefiting from Duke and Tennessee not getting the top of the top to the same extent right now. After an elite recruit find outs that Auriemma isn't going to select them, where do they go? Notre Dame seems to be the top second choice right now.


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Yeah, If Warlick had the players that chose UConn Tenn's offense would look just as polished as UConn's looked last night.

And if those same players had chosen Notre Dame then the Irish would have had the top defensive team in the country.


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Oregon not making the final four next season would be a huge disappointment...I honestly thought they were going to win this game.


ND killed on the boards, a +22
More effort and some lucky bounces went their way.

Mabrey out-rebounded Ionescu, which is unheard of.



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If anything it's a foul on Mabrey for gabbing Ionescu's arm as she ran by.


Is there anything about ND that you won't bitch about?

It's really getting old.


There's a lot about N Dame I admire but their fans here already do a real good job of promoting those attributes.
I'd have to go back and read the posts but I think I was responding to a post that blamed the wrong person for the incident. As a matter of fact even the play by play announcers initially suggested that Mabrey was the victim until the correct angle replay CLEARLY showed Mabrey with her right hand firmly grasping Ionescu's arm as Ionescu went by her.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
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Oregon not making the final four next season would be a huge disappointment...I honestly thought they were going to win this game.


What would make you think that?

I can understand a fan hoping they would win, but what evidence or track record would have led you to objectively conclude they were likely to win?

ND's injury-shortened bench is the only thing I can think of that might have supported such a conclusion.


1.Elite PG

2.Elite post player

3.As you mentioned,the depleted ND roster.

The Irish only played 6 players.Oregon didn't push the tempo like I thought they would.Of course,it's hard to increase the pace when you're giving up offensive rebounds and taking the ball out of the net.The Oregon HC should have done a better job of getting Hebard more touches.I understand ND was sagging down and forcing the rest of the Oregon players to beat them.But 12 shot attempts for Hebard in that big of a game isn't enough.

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ND killed on the boards, a +22
More effort and some lucky bounces went their way.

Mabrey out-rebounded Ionescu, which is unheard of.


Yeah...19-6 on the offensive boards.That's 13 extra shots.Rebounding,3 pt shooting(4-15),and Westbeld beat Oregon...And despite all of that,Oregon still could have won this game had Ionescu not gone cold in the 2nd half.


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Oregon had no Answer for shephard and they could not keep Jackie off the glass. Comes down to Notre Dame just having more elite level athletes than oregon.



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If anything it's a foul on Mabrey for gabbing Ionescu's arm as she ran by.


Is there anything about ND that you won't bitch about?

It's really getting old.


There's a lot about N Dame I admire but their fans here already do a real good job of promoting those attributes.
I'd have to go back and read the posts but I think I was responding to a post that blamed the wrong person for the incident. As a matter of fact even the play by play announcers initially suggested that Mabrey was the victim until the correct angle replay CLEARLY showed Mabrey with her right hand firmly grasping Ionescu's arm as Ionescu went by her.



You mean the one where MM's grabbing SI with the BACK of her hand? Rolling Eyes

You need to look at it again in slo-mo, frame by frame or something (hell, you can even see it with ESPN's slo-mo) and see that MM's upper arm is extended behind her, her lower arm is angled down and her hand is bent up at the wrist. SI's arm is below MM's. No fucking way MM grabbed her.

The asshole announcer needs to keep his mouth shut and stop talking about something that he can't see (because it didn't happen).



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1.Elite PG

2.Elite post player



1 Oregon certainly has one elite guard, but I'm not sure I'd call her an elite POINT guard. And ND certainly had a superior SET of guards.

2 I can't agree at all with that characterization, and no matter how you choose to overrate her, she was still not as good as Shepard, which should have been obvious before the game started.


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