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PostPosted: 03/23/18 1:21 pm    ::: Girl benched for refusing to wear a dress Reply Reply with quote

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/girl-11-benched-basketball-game-refusing-wear-dress-195354478.html

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The schools in Cottonwood, Calif., have a 40-year tradition of requiring students to dress formally on home game days, and for the girls, that means dresses or skirts, not pants



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PostPosted: 03/23/18 2:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Girl refused to obey rule, punishment imposed, mother discussed with school officials, rule changed. Not an earth-shattering story. The real story here, IMHO, is that in 40 years, no other girls or their mothers, sisters, or female teachers questioned this. It sounds like a bad imitation of The Stepford Wives. And justifying the girl's refusal by saying her height (5'7") makes her uncomfortable in a dress is unfortunate. Is she supposed to be embarrassed to be tall? She needs to meet Lisa Leslie.


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PostPosted: 03/23/18 4:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Girl refused to obey rule, punishment imposed, mother discussed with school officials, rule changed. Not an earth-shattering story. The real story here, IMHO, is that in 40 years, no other girls or their mothers, sisters, or female teachers questioned this. It sounds like a bad imitation of The Stepford Wives. And justifying the girl's refusal by saying her height (5'7") makes her uncomfortable in a dress is unfortunate. Is she supposed to be embarrassed to be tall? She needs to meet Lisa Leslie.

Agreed.

Being tall shouldn't have had anything to do with it. It should have been enough to just say, "I don't want to wear a damn dress, and it is ridiculous that in 2018 we even need to explain why this rule is idiotic."



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PostPosted: 03/23/18 6:16 pm    ::: Re: Girl benched for refusing to wear a dress Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/girl-11-benched-basketball-game-refusing-wear-dress-195354478.html

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The schools in Cottonwood, Calif., have a 40-year tradition of requiring students to dress formally on home game days, and for the girls, that means dresses or skirts, not pants



So, is it a RULE or a tradition?

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On Monday, the team’s coach warned Manfredini that she’d have to sit out Tuesday’s game if she didn’t comply with the rule.


And do the boys have to wear suits and ties?


Hopefully there is another school nearby that she can attend and come back about go for 35 and 15 against this coach.



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PostPosted: 03/23/18 7:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Apparently the boys had to dress up as well, but exact clothing wasn't specified. And I'm not sure this was the coach's fault. He let her get away with not following the rule for a while before enforcing it. I'm going to make a wild guess that some other student or her parents complained about the special exception to a school official, and the coach was told he had to enforce the rule.


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PostPosted: 03/23/18 8:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It might not have been the coaches fault, but a good coach would have recognized the rule for the big, steaming pile of excrement it was and gone to bat for his player.



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PostPosted: 03/25/18 12:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't know if UConn still has the rule, but Chris Dailey used to require all players to wear skirts or dresses when in public on team business. There were/are many other rules about stockings, appropriate jewelry, covering up tattoos, not wearing headbands, not wearing earphones, etc. You either get with the program or get going.

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PostPosted: 03/25/18 8:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I don't know if UConn still has the rule, but Chris Dailey used to require all players to wear skirts or dresses when in public on team business. There were/are many other rules about stockings, appropriate jewelry, covering up tattoos, not wearing headbands, not wearing earphones, etc. You either get with the program or get going.

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PostPosted: 03/25/18 12:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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There were/are many other rules about stockings, appropriate jewelry, covering up tattoos, not wearing headbands, not wearing earphones, etc. You either get with the program or get going.

"No country for snowflake women." -- Cormac McCarthy

Because forcing women to wear a dress is at all comparable to forcing everyone to cover up ink or not wear accessories.

I don't think anyone has a problem with a dress code that demands "formal wear". It's when they are reductive about what that means for women that it becomes problematic.

What? These snowflakes don't want to wear a burka? Either get with the program or get going.



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PostPosted: 03/25/18 1:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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GlennMacGrady wrote:
I don't know if UConn still has the rule, but Chris Dailey used to require all players to wear skirts or dresses when in public on team business. There were/are many other rules about stockings, appropriate jewelry, covering up tattoos, not wearing headbands, not wearing earphones, etc. You either get with the program or get going.

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Note that the article says the "schools" [plural] "in Cottonwood, Calif., have a 40-year tradition of requiring students to dress formally on home game days, and for the girls, that means dresses or skirts, not pants . . . ." Hence, the kid would have faced the same issue, presumably, at any school.

In addition, she doesn't "have to" be on the basketball team. No one is forcing her to. It's simple: Being on a team is a privilege not a right, and if a player (or her or his snowflake mother) doesn't want to follow the dress code rules, they should take a hike and find another extracurricular activity that has different apparel rules.

She feels self-conscious because she's 5-7 and dresses make her more self-conscious. What a crock! Probably thousands of kids in the school district have been living with this common and common sense rule for 40 years. The kid and her unhealthily enabling mother should grow up.
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PostPosted: 03/25/18 1:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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There were/are many other rules about stockings, appropriate jewelry, covering up tattoos, not wearing headbands, not wearing earphones, etc. You either get with the program or get going.

"No country for snowflake women." -- Cormac McCarthy


I don't think anyone has a problem with a dress code that demands "formal wear". It's when they are reductive about what that means for women that it becomes problematic.


I have no idea what you mean by this. Perhaps you can elaborate if you think it's relevant to the simple issue in this case.
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PostPosted: 03/25/18 3:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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justintyme wrote:
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There were/are many other rules about stockings, appropriate jewelry, covering up tattoos, not wearing headbands, not wearing earphones, etc. You either get with the program or get going.

"No country for snowflake women." -- Cormac McCarthy


I don't think anyone has a problem with a dress code that demands "formal wear". It's when they are reductive about what that means for women that it becomes problematic.


I have no idea what you mean by this. Perhaps you can elaborate if you think it's relevant to the simple issue in this case.

That assigning "dresses" to be the only allowable form of "formal wear" for women is wrong. Many women reject dresses or skirts or other gender associated clothing, preferring formal slacks and dress shirts/blouses. Similarly, it would be like requiring women to wear heals, rather than just dress shoes of their choosing.



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PostPosted: 03/25/18 5:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I have no argument with that, but it would have been more appropriate for the girls' parents to meet with the school admin at the beginning of the season and request a change in the rule, not have one girl flout it, put the coach in an untenable position, and then have mom take to social media to complain about it.


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PostPosted: 03/25/18 10:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
I don't know if UConn still has the rule, but Chris Dailey used to require all players to wear skirts or dresses when in public on team business. There were/are many other rules about stockings, appropriate jewelry, covering up tattoos, not wearing headbands, not wearing earphones, etc. You either get with the program or get going.

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I thought slacks were also permissible? Just not jeans or sweatshirts.



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