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pilight
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Posted: 03/17/18 7:42 pm ::: Tournament Conference Standings |
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Big East 4-0 1.000
MAC 2-0 1.000
ASun 1-0 1.000
MAAC 1-0 1.000
Pac 12 5-1 .833
ACC 6-2 .750
Big 12 3-1 .750
SEC 5-2 .714
Big 10 4-2 .667
AAC 1-1 .500
A10 0-2 .000
All Others 0-1 .000
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myrtle
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Posted: 03/17/18 8:41 pm ::: |
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I think the 'all others' category is slightly bigger than 0-1 on the loser side.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 03/17/18 9:06 pm ::: |
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myrtle wrote: |
I think the 'all others' category is slightly bigger than 0-1 on the loser side. |
I think it means that each of the other conferences finished 0-1.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/17/18 9:16 pm ::: |
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myrtle wrote: |
I think the 'all others' category is slightly bigger than 0-1 on the loser side. |
It means each unlisted conference went 0-1. I was trying to conserve space.
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calbearman76
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Posted: 03/17/18 9:28 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
myrtle wrote: |
I think the 'all others' category is slightly bigger than 0-1 on the loser side. |
It means each unlisted conference went 0-1. I was trying to conserve space. |
There are 21 such conferences
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pilight
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Posted: 03/17/18 9:33 pm ::: |
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calbearman76 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
myrtle wrote: |
I think the 'all others' category is slightly bigger than 0-1 on the loser side. |
It means each unlisted conference went 0-1. I was trying to conserve space. |
There are 21 such conferences |
Yes. I did see much value in listing each one individually, nor did I anticipate any confusion over the obvious meaning of this post that I've done here for years without issue.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/18/18 11:59 pm ::: |
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Rough day for the B10 and BEast. Will update when second round complete.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 03/19/18 7:21 am ::: |
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I agree "all others" is ambiguous. "Each of X others" would be clearer and more informative, if longer. |
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Phil
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Posted: 03/19/18 11:48 am ::: |
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I thought it might be intersting to break wins and losses into Chalk and upsets
In the following table the first two columns are ins, eithe Upset Wins or Chalk wins, and the thi4rd and forth columns are losess, either Chawlk losses or Upset loess, the columns ordered so that the best are left.
I did the top six conferences and the AAC
First round
CON UW CW CL UL
ACC 1 5 0 2
P12 0 5 0 1
SEC 0 5 0 2
BE 2 2 0 0
B10 1 3 1 1
B12 0 2 0 0
AAC 0 1 0 1
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tfan
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Posted: 03/19/18 12:18 pm ::: |
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Phil wrote: |
I thought it might be intersting to break wins and losses into Chalk and upsets
In the following table the first two columns are ins, eithe Upset Wins or Chalk wins, and the thi4rd and forth columns are losess, either Chawlk losses or Upset loess, the columns ordered so that the best are left.
I did the top six conferences and the AAC
First round
CON UW CW CL UL
ACC 1 5 0 2
P12 0 5 0 1
SEC 0 5 0 2
BE 2 2 0 0
B10 1 3 1 1
B12 0 2 0 0
AAC 0 1 0 1 |
I assume chalk/chawlk win/loss means "expected". Is there a known origin for that term? Didn't seem to get anything from a search for the term.
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 03/19/18 12:45 pm ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
Phil wrote: |
I thought it might be intersting to break wins and losses into Chalk and upsets
In the following table the first two columns are ins, eithe Upset Wins or Chalk wins, and the thi4rd and forth columns are losess, either Chawlk losses or Upset loess, the columns ordered so that the best are left.
I did the top six conferences and the AAC
First round
CON UW CW CL UL
ACC 1 5 0 2
P12 0 5 0 1
SEC 0 5 0 2
BE 2 2 0 0
B10 1 3 1 1
B12 0 2 0 0
AAC 0 1 0 1 |
I assume chalk/chawlk win/loss means "expected". Is there a known origin for that term? Didn't seem to get anything from a search for the term. |
Chalk means that the higher seed wins.
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calbearman76
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Posted: 03/19/18 3:04 pm ::: |
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The probable etymology of the term "chalk" is from the old bookie days where lines would be written on a chalkboard as such:
Quinnipiac
UConn -39.5
So the -39.5 would be in chalk (they often had placards for the teams)
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pilight
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Posted: 03/19/18 10:28 pm ::: |
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MAC 4-0 1.000
Pac 12 9-2 .818
ACC 10-4 .714
Big 12 5-2 .714
SEC 8-4 .667
AAC 2-1 .667
Big East 4-4 .500
ASun 1-1 .500
MAAC 1-1 .500
Big 10 4-6 .400
A10 0-2 .000
21 Others 0-1 .000 |
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 03/20/18 12:03 am ::: |
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The Pac-12 has now placed at least 4 teams in the Sweet 16 for the 3rd straight NCAA tournament. It is the only conference to be able to boast that. I don't know if some other conference used to do that regularly in the past, maybe they have and I'm just ignorant. But the Pac-12 is the only one that's done so over the stretch of this current 3-year window (the 2016, '17, and '18 NCAA Tournaments). That's doubly-impressive, given the fact that the Pac-12 consists of fewer teams than does every other power conference (save the Big 12).
So: yay, Pac-12!
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myrtle
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Posted: 03/20/18 1:33 am ::: |
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Other than MSU and SoCar, the SEC has substantially underperformed...and even those two didn't exactly look comfortable for large portions of their games. A&M basically is in on the back of a fluke... and one helluva Frosh player.
The ACC has been pretty darn good. Louisville looked about the best I've seen all year in their game. Notre Dame moves on even with their limited roster. And Duke and NCState were convincing. Only FSU really screwed up.
The B1G simply had a really down year and it carried over...
P12 has been steady but not spectacular. Still we've held chalk pretty well with Cal having the only bad loss, and without their best player, they can be excused.
It all doesn't matter too much since I still haven't seen any team that looks like it can give UConn a game.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/20/18 8:52 am ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
The Pac-12 has now placed at least 4 teams in the Sweet 16 for the 3rd straight NCAA tournament. It is the only conference to be able to boast that. I don't know if some other conference used to do that regularly in the past, maybe they have and I'm just ignorant. |
The SEC had at least four S16 teams every year from 1983-1992
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 03/20/18 8:57 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
patsweetpat wrote: |
The Pac-12 has now placed at least 4 teams in the Sweet 16 for the 3rd straight NCAA tournament. It is the only conference to be able to boast that. I don't know if some other conference used to do that regularly in the past, maybe they have and I'm just ignorant. |
The SEC had at least four S16 teams every year from 1983-1992 |
That's a great run! I knew someone (and probably, specifically, you!) could set me straight on the history. Thank you.
And congrats to the SEC for pulling that off!
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pilight
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Posted: 03/20/18 9:48 am ::: |
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Times with four or more teams in S16
22 SEC 1983-92, 1995-98, 2004-05, 2007, 2010, 2012-14, 2016
6 BEast 2003, 2006, 2008-11
4 P10/12 1985, 2016-18
4 ACC 1989, 2007, 2015, 2018
3 B12 2001-02, 2009
Nine times a conference had five S16 teams in one year
SEC 1984, 1986, 1996, 2014
BEast 2008, 2011
B12 2002
ACC 2015
P12 2017
One time a conference had six S16 teams in one year
SEC 1997
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 03/20/18 9:51 am ::: |
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You're awesome, pilight.
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mzonefan
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Posted: 03/20/18 11:37 am ::: |
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I believe this ends a 9 year run for the B1G in the Sweet 16.
Makes me wonder about the future!
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Phil
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Posted: 03/22/18 1:09 pm ::: |
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You're awesome, pilight. |
I agree.
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linkster
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Posted: 03/22/18 2:48 pm ::: |
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There were years when making the S16 meant you won one game.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/24/18 7:20 pm ::: |
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Pac 12 12-3 .800
AAC 3-1 .750
ACC 12-6 .667
SEC 10-5 .667
MAC 4-2 .667
Big 12 5-4 .556
Big East 4-4 .500
ASun 1-1 .500
MAAC 1-1 .500
Big 10 4-6 .400
A10 0-2 .000
21 Others 0-1 .000 |
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calbearman76
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Posted: 03/24/18 8:01 pm ::: |
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Teams left in Tournament
Pac 12 ---- 3
ACC ------- 2
SEC ------- 2
AAC ------- 1
The only teams not seeded 1 or 2 are #3 UCLA and #6 Oregon St. Of course all four 1 seeds could win in the next round and the Pac 12 could be left without representation in the Final 4, but this has been another very successful year for the left coast.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/26/18 10:37 pm ::: |
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AAC 4-1 .800
ACC 14-6 .700
Pac 12 12-6 .667
SEC 11-6 .647
MAC 4-2 .667
Big 12 5-4 .556
Big East 4-4 .500
ASun 1-1 .500
MAAC 1-1 .500
Big 10 4-6 .400
A10 0-2 .000
21 Others 0-1 .000 |
If UConn wins their semifinal, the AAC will clinch best winning percentage
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