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[quote="fancy_daniel"][quote="LitePal"]I'm a UCLA fan but those USC departures in themselves won't mean anything except for Moore and possibly Archer. Effa and Milisic never played and both have their degrees. Jones averaged 3.6 pts and 3.2 rebounds and Tapley averaged 5 pts and 6 rebounds last season.
As for Trakh's reputation as a coach and mentor, Sue Favor did her own research and came up with a glowing article.
http://hoopism.blogspot.com/2010/06/on-mark-trakh-new-associate-head-coach.html[/quote]
Moore will be a big miss as a senior and Archer was coming into her own and started to show some brilliance.
I've heard enough from what some parents have said at USC and have worked with Sue Favor and actually written articles for her sites in the past. I'll take that article with a grain of salt.[/quote]
Moore will not be a senior, she'll be a grad transfer, per Raoul. I agree on Archer.
As for Sue Favor, Summertime said she was the one journalist covering basketball she trusted, so you two hash it out.
And although you hold Trakh in low esteem, USC did split with UCLA this season with a weaker ranked lineup.
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| Posted: 04/16/19 4:20 pm ::: |
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| The writing on the wall was when some Tennessee fans got into an argument to Westbrook's mother Eva on social media in the middle of the season and her mom said they won't have to worry about Evina next season. There's been a portion of the Tennessee fan base that has been throwing certain players under the bus for Holly's woes (Diamond, Cooper, Hayes, Westbrook). |
Did you happen to notice that every one of those players had a parent or parents that were just, maybe, a teensy bit TOO involved? That thought they were the coach instead of a parent? Well, maybe except Miss Cooper, who decided to stage a fight club with the team captain after already once previously having come under the eye of the Disciplinary board....
The bottom line is, parents need to let the coach be the coach and stay out of it, and student-athletes need to behave and accept discipline. |
But it is also up to the coach to set the tone and run the program, without letting the parents "coach from the sidelines." And it is up to the coach to institute a culture where players follow the rules and buy into the program and the coach's philosophy.
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| Posted: 04/16/19 4:36 pm ::: |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
| Davis4632 wrote: |
| The writing on the wall was when some Tennessee fans got into an argument to Westbrook's mother Eva on social media in the middle of the season and her mom said they won't have to worry about Evina next season. There's been a portion of the Tennessee fan base that has been throwing certain players under the bus for Holly's woes (Diamond, Cooper, Hayes, Westbrook). |
Did you happen to notice that every one of those players had a parent or parents that were just, maybe, a teensy bit TOO involved? That thought they were the coach instead of a parent? Well, maybe except Miss Cooper, who decided to stage a fight club with the team captain after already once previously having come under the eye of the Disciplinary board....
The bottom line is, parents need to let the coach be the coach and stay out of it, and student-athletes need to behave and accept discipline. |
I know no details other than what's posted here at Rebs, and the info on transfers, and their patterns. It's not hard to connect dots: I mean, look at Diamond (good buds with T'ea...) She picked UNC cuz she could play the prima donna. THEN went to TN, with T'ea, who is now leaving SC for her third school.
Ms. Pat. Just. DIDN'T.
Mama don't play dem games. I think Holly may have been too much The Appeaser, I dunno. |
I think Holly was probably too nice. I suspect Kellie will not be. Players may think that because she's young and pretty she's going to be easy. Pat said Kellie was more like she was than any other player she coached. Look out, young ladies!
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| Posted: 04/16/19 5:03 pm ::: |
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| Not a transfer, but I couldn't see where else to put it. The NCAA has approved a waiver of eligibility for Tennessee grad transfer Lou Brown, who missed out on last year when she tore her ACL before the season began. Perhaps I should have started a thread on NCAA waivers, but it seemed early for that.....
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| Posted: 04/16/19 5:30 pm ::: |
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| Davis4632 wrote: |
| The writing on the wall was when some Tennessee fans got into an argument to Westbrook's mother Eva on social media in the middle of the season and her mom said they won't have to worry about Evina next season. There's been a portion of the Tennessee fan base that has been throwing certain players under the bus for Holly's woes (Diamond, Cooper, Hayes, Westbrook). |
A couple of those players brought their troubles on themselves. Cooper was asked to leave by the school, not the team or fans, after instigating a fight, having prior disciplinary issues, and reportedly academic issues as well. Hayes got booted due to academic issues, which isn't on the fans either. I can't see how either of those two were supposed to leave the fans feeling impressed.
Unfortunately, the overall performance of the team this year was unsatisfactory enough that it attracted a lot of so-called LV fans, who used the opportunity to snipe on social media at everyone on the team for everything from their play and coaching to their families and hairstyles. A lot of them were Vol football fans who knew nothing about the women's basketball team. It was completely disgusting.
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I thought she was the best player on Tenn. Maybe not the most physically talented but she played under control while most everyone else looked like they were trying out for the keystone cops.
So, who takes over the point? |
Evina was the best player on the team, hands down, and her athletic ability is second to none. She will be missed, and I think those who are saying the team will be better without her are in for a rude awakening. Marta Sniezek's name is being thrown around on VN as a possible grad transfer, and Jordan Horston is coming in. Those are the only options for PG at present.
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| Posted: 04/16/19 9:01 pm ::: |
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So I guess it's not a transfer as she hasn't started college but not sure where else to put this - Shemera Williams who originally committed to Marquette for the 19-20 season tweeted out today that she has an offer from Kentucky. She reopened her recruitment the day Kieger left for Penn State and was the highest rated recruit of the 8 players Kieger had signed for the 19-20 season.
https://twitter.com/_Swilliams10/status/986073098247163904
She's making a recruiting visit to UK this weekend:
https://twitter.com/markcstory/status/1118170508393107456
I'm not sure if any other schools are pursuing her now or not and not sure if she's going to look at Marquette with the new coaching staff.
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| Posted: 04/17/19 1:10 am ::: |
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| I’d be delighted for Tennessee’s loss to be Oregon’s gain.
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| Posted: 04/17/19 9:52 am ::: |
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Minyon Moore's final three: Baylor, Mississippi State, Oregon.
She will have a major impact wherever she goes. A ferocious competitor ...
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| Posted: 04/17/19 9:55 am ::: |
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Dealing with parents is part of the job, especially as the NCAA slowly moves to treating student-athletes less like serfs (tied to the land) and more like adults.
Maybe parents "should" stay out of it, but they're not going to, so coaches must adjust (just as they adjust to changing attitudes among players).
In high school, of course, dealing with parents is mandatory, and it's become just another part of the job. If a coach doesn't do well with parents, her team will not be as good ... maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is.
If a coach doesn't like dealing with parents, well, maybe it's time to find another line of work ...
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| Posted: 04/17/19 10:42 am ::: |
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| South Carolina picks up a big player from the transfer portal in 6-3 F Mikiah Herbert-Harrigan. A solid scorer, rebounder, shot-blocker, the senior will be a huge addition to the Gamecocks. Big get for them, and chalk up another nab from the transfer ranks, by that crafty magician Dawn Staley.......
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| Posted: 04/17/19 10:54 am ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
Minyon Moore's final three: Baylor, Mississippi State, Oregon.
She will have a major impact wherever she goes. A ferocious competitor ... |
Baylor's a really good fit.
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| Posted: 04/17/19 11:35 am ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
Dealing with parents is part of the job, especially as the NCAA slowly moves to treating student-athletes less like serfs (tied to the land) and more like adults.
Maybe parents "should" stay out of it, but they're not going to, so coaches must adjust (just as they adjust to changing attitudes among players).
In high school, of course, dealing with parents is mandatory, and it's become just another part of the job. If a coach doesn't do well with parents, her team will not be as good ... maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is.
If a coach doesn't like dealing with parents, well, maybe it's time to find another line of work ... |
"Dealing with parents" is one thing, and to be expected. "Stage parenting", such as tweeting "advice" and criticism from the stands during a game, or snide critical commentary about the coach during the season, especially as it relates to your child, is disgusting and parents should not be indulging in that kind of behavior. You can't punish the child for what their parents are doing, but these kinds of parents are horrible. They just need to let the coach be the coach. Thank goodness they are in the minority.
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| Posted: 04/17/19 11:47 am ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
Dealing with parents is part of the job, especially as the NCAA slowly moves to treating student-athletes less like serfs (tied to the land) and more like adults.
Maybe parents "should" stay out of it, but they're not going to, so coaches must adjust (just as they adjust to changing attitudes among players).
In high school, of course, dealing with parents is mandatory, and it's become just another part of the job. If a coach doesn't do well with parents, her team will not be as good ... maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is.
If a coach doesn't like dealing with parents, well, maybe it's time to find another line of work ... |
"Dealing with parents" is one thing, and to be expected. "Stage parenting", such as tweeting "advice" and criticism from the stands during a game, or snide critical commentary about the coach during the season, especially as it relates to your child, is disgusting and parents should not be indulging in that kind of behavior. You can't punish the child for what their parents are doing, but these kinds of parents are horrible. They just need to let the coach be the coach. Thank goodness they are in the minority. |
How about fans doing the exact same thing? Has happened and will happen for as long as there's been sports, and we just say, "fans will be fans", but with parents, that's their own kids they are talking about.
I agree though in one aspect, that if it is parents, then they have more direct avenues to express their criticisms/advice with the coaching staff, that fans usually don't have....
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| Posted: 04/17/19 1:13 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
Minyon Moore's final three: Baylor, Mississippi State, Oregon.
She will have a major impact wherever she goes. A ferocious competitor ... |
Baylor's a really good fit. |
If Chloe Jackson could do it ....
I'm sure Moore is tired of not making the NCAA tourney.
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| Posted: 04/17/19 2:39 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
Dealing with parents is part of the job, especially as the NCAA slowly moves to treating student-athletes less like serfs (tied to the land) and more like adults.
Maybe parents "should" stay out of it, but they're not going to, so coaches must adjust (just as they adjust to changing attitudes among players).
In high school, of course, dealing with parents is mandatory, and it's become just another part of the job. If a coach doesn't do well with parents, her team will not be as good ... maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is.
If a coach doesn't like dealing with parents, well, maybe it's time to find another line of work ... |
"Dealing with parents" is one thing, and to be expected. "Stage parenting", such as tweeting "advice" and criticism from the stands during a game, or snide critical commentary about the coach during the season, especially as it relates to your child, is disgusting and parents should not be indulging in that kind of behavior. You can't punish the child for what their parents are doing, but these kinds of parents are horrible. They just need to let the coach be the coach. Thank goodness they are in the minority. |
The point, sadly, is that "stage parenting" isn't going to go away, even if it should, and it's more likely the more talent the player has. So regardless of whether coaches "ought" to have to deal with, they "do" have to deal with it. Complaining about it over a shot of tequila is one thing; not recruiting players with stage parents is another.
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