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PostPosted: 03/06/18 1:52 pm    ::: Trades: Danielle Robinson to Lynx, Briann January to Phoenix Reply Reply with quote

2 trades:
Danielle Robinson and Phoenix 2019 2nd round to Minnesota
Minnesota's 1st round (12) to Phoenix

Briann January to Phoenix
Phoenix's 1st round ( 8 ) to Indiana




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If that's it, Minnesota loses.



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That makes Poison Pill the full time PG in Indiana



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 1:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Edited. It might be two trades he mushed together.

http://www.startribune.com/lynx-acquire-mercury-guard-danielle-robinson-by-trading-first-round-wnba-draft-pick/476020873/


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That makes Poison Pill the full time PG in Indiana


And the guarantee they'll take Kelsey Mitchell.



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If that's it, Minnesota loses.

Somehow they get both the worst player and the worst pick in this trade Laughing


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That makes Poison Pill the full time PG in Indiana


Until the draft, maybe...


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I wonder what the Fever will do if Evil Bill takes Mitchell...



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 2:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Interesting trade.

Indiana get a mid-late 1st round pick in what is supposed to be a deep draft.

Phoenix replaced D. Rob with B. January, plus, essentially trades a 2019 2nd round pick for 2018 1st round pick.

Minnesota gets D. Rob and a 2019 2nd round pick.

I think everyone gets something they needed.

D. Rob is serviceable for Minn, a good defender, at least pre-injury, and could be good to back up Whalen, changes the pace, etc.

For Phx, I think January is an upgrade over D. Rob, plus they got a late 2018 first round pick.

For Indiana, they lose January, which is big, but get the # 8 pick, which could be good.

I think Phx came out best, next Indiana, and Minn in last. That said, I don't think it was a bad trade for Minn.
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I had a feeling January might want to go to Arizona.



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 2:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://mercury.wnba.com/news/mercury-acquires-former-sun-devil-great-briann-january/



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 2:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Knew of/suspected January would be obtained through trade long, long ago; yet figured it best not to mention or speculate.

D-Rob is cool, yet I am ecstatic to welcome Bri home!



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mb1 wrote:
http://mercury.wnba.com/news/mercury-acquires-former-sun-devil-great-briann-january/


The Merc twitter said the greatest women's player in Arizona State history was coming to the team, and my first thought was "Isn't Kym Hampton retired?"



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Maybe part 2 involves Bonner to Indiana and the Fever send Minnesota something?



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 2:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Maybe part 2 involves Bonner to Indiana and the Fever send Minnesota something?

There have been two separate trades. January for #8; and Robinson + 2019 2nd for #12. What you suggest is randomly nonsensical.



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Maybe part 2 involves Bonner to Indiana and the Fever send Minnesota something?

There have been two separate trades. January for #8; and Robinson + 2019 2nd for #12. What you suggest is randomly nonsensical.


Always good conversation between us!! Wink



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toad455 wrote:
If that's it, Minnesota loses.


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If that's it, Minnesota loses.


+1

So when did it become en vogue to hate on D-Rob? I've always liked her game, especially her speed and length, and was thrilled when I heard the news. She isn't a shooter, but the Lynx don't really need one with Jones emerging.

But this is a all-star caliber player who is a very good defender, and who has led the league in assists before. Last year was a down year for her, but she was coming off injury and at 28 is in her prime and of age with Maya and Fowles.



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toad455 wrote:
If that's it, Minnesota loses.


+1

So when did it become en vogue to hate on D-Rob? I've always liked her game, especially her speed and length, and was thrilled when I heard the news. She isn't a shooter, but the Lynx don't really need one with Jones emerging.

But this is a all-star caliber player who is a very good defender, and who has led the league in assists before. Last year was a down year for her, but she was coming off injury and at 28 is in her prime and of age with Maya and Fowles.


It's hardly hating to believe that a trade was lopsided. I personally feel DRob was not the same player in Phoenix as in San Antonio. Injury? Situation? Hard to say. But she lost her starting spot to Mitchell and her 3 point shot.

Also, the responses were when I didn't have the detail about the 2nd round pick added in. I think that makes it a bit more balanced.


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I wonder what the Fever will do if Evil Bill takes Mitchell...


Take A'ja and laugh all the way to the bank.


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Reeve lost Perkins & Pierson, went out & added Kizer & Robinson...not a bad off-season, plus...YOUNGER.



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I’m not surprised they made a trade like this but was hoping they could have put it off until they see what shows up at #12, similar to what they did in the Perkins draft day trade. If something perceived as good shows up at #12, there’s bound to be some angst and second guessing.

The Lynx prefer to work in known quantities. With a rookie (unless it’s somebody like Wilson) you never know what you might end up with. Lonely’s recent resume is not good: replaced by a rookie PG in SAN and subsequently bumped by a bunny in PHX, but obviously the Lynx think they can salvage Lonely’s career. If she can stay healthy and the Lynx get to work on that three point shot, maybe even I will like her even though I’ve never been a big fan.



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Nerd2 wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Wiseone1 wrote:
toad455 wrote:
If that's it, Minnesota loses.


+1

So when did it become en vogue to hate on D-Rob? I've always liked her game, especially her speed and length, and was thrilled when I heard the news. She isn't a shooter, but the Lynx don't really need one with Jones emerging.

But this is a all-star caliber player who is a very good defender, and who has led the league in assists before. Last year was a down year for her, but she was coming off injury and at 28 is in her prime and of age with Maya and Fowles.


It's hardly hating to believe that a trade was lopsided. I personally feel DRob was not the same player in Phoenix as in San Antonio. Injury? Situation? Hard to say. But she lost her starting spot to Mitchell and her 3 point shot.

Also, the responses were when I didn't have the detail about the 2nd round pick added in. I think that makes it a bit more balanced.

Phoenix needed a shooter on the floor last year more than they needed another ball handler/ slasher (the Merc seem to like to have the ball in Taurasi's hands as much as possible, for good reason), which is why D-Rob lost out to Mitchell. The Lynx are much better suited for her style of play, and really could use her defense.

But D-Rob is certainly worth a 12th pick to a win-now team, IMO. I wouldn't call that lopsided. The 2nd rounder just makes even better.



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Yeah - I don't like this trade precisely for the reasons justintyme likes it. Robinson had a bad year, for her, but we don't know how much of that is injury recovery and how much was the fit. At worst, even if Robinson is glued to the Lynx bench- she would be about the same as pick No. 12 would be. If she does return to form - then the Lynx have made a very good deal.



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I’m not surprised they made a trade like this but was hoping they could have put it off until they see what shows up at #12, similar to what they did in the Perkins draft day trade. If something perceived as good shows up at #12, there’s bound to be some angst and second guessing.

The Lynx prefer to work in known quantities. With a rookie (unless it’s somebody like Wilson) you never know what you might end up with. Lonely’s recent resume is not good: replaced by a rookie PG in SAN and subsequently bumped by a bunny in PHX, but obviously the Lynx think they can salvage Lonely’s career. If she can stay healthy and the Lynx get to work on that three point shot, maybe even I will like her even though I’ve never been a big fan.


Whay went through a few years where she only took about a dozen 3s a season. If DRob can just get passes to the scorers, that may be her biggest asset on this team.


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Last season I said January would be a great fit in Phoenix(ASU offseason job)....This trade will more than likely extend January's career.




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Yeah - I don't like this trade precisely for the reasons justintyme likes it. Robinson had a bad year, for her, but we don't know how much of that is injury recovery and how much was the fit. At worst, even if Robinson is glued to the Lynx bench- she would be about the same as pick No. 12 would be. If she does return to form - then the Lynx have made a very good deal.


DRob isn't their only option, though. Jones was really coming on strong late in the year. DRob provides a valuable veteran presence but she is not a vital component.


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justintyme wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Wiseone1 wrote:
toad455 wrote:
If that's it, Minnesota loses.


+1

So when did it become en vogue to hate on D-Rob? I've always liked her game, especially her speed and length, and was thrilled when I heard the news. She isn't a shooter, but the Lynx don't really need one with Jones emerging.

But this is a all-star caliber player who is a very good defender, and who has led the league in assists before. Last year was a down year for her, but she was coming off injury and at 28 is in her prime and of age with Maya and Fowles.


It's hardly hating to believe that a trade was lopsided. I personally feel DRob was not the same player in Phoenix as in San Antonio. Injury? Situation? Hard to say. But she lost her starting spot to Mitchell and her 3 point shot.

Also, the responses were when I didn't have the detail about the 2nd round pick added in. I think that makes it a bit more balanced.

Phoenix needed a shooter on the floor last year more than they needed another ball handler/ slasher (the Merc seem to like to have the ball in Taurasi's hands as much as possible, for good reason), which is why D-Rob lost out to Mitchell. The Lynx are much better suited for her style of play, and really could use her defense.

But D-Rob is certainly worth a 12th pick to a win-now team, IMO. I wouldn't call that lopsided. The 2nd rounder just makes even better.


Unless Phoenix finishes bottom four, that second round pick next year will be pretty useless.
D-rob did not have a good season last year at all, If nurse falls to 12th I will be beyond pissed off!


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Unless Phoenix finishes bottom four, that second round pick next year will be pretty useless.
D-rob did not have a good season last year at all, If nurse falls to 12th I will be beyond pissed off!


Next year's draft will be deeper than this one.


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Unless Phoenix finishes bottom four, that second round pick next year will be pretty useless.
D-rob did not have a good season last year at all, If nurse falls to 12th I will be beyond pissed off!


Next year's draft will be deeper than this one.

I agree in the first round and first four picks of second maybe but after that it's slim pickings.




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[quote="toad455"]If that's it, Minnesota loses.[/quote
How do they lose when they just got a speedy backup point and a 2nd round?! Cheryl will get back in the first round somehow I bet



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Keeps the Lynx at or near the top again. I see the Lynx in the top 2 again. Sad



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If that's it, Minnesota loses.[/quote

How do they lose when they just got a speedy backup point and a 2nd round pick in a deep draft?! Cheryl will get back in the first round somehow I bet


Because d-rob played worse than Bri January last year and didn't look the same as she was pre injury and Indiana will probably draft Lexie Brown who could end up better than both January and D-Rob.


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Keeps the Lynx at or near the top again. I see the Lynx in the top 2 again. Sad


People said this when the Mercury got her last off season and she lost her starting spot to Mitchell:/ and didn't help them much at all.


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Maybe Robinson will be better in her second season back from injury than she was in her first



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horrible minny lost in this trade
d-rob also is not an easy going teammate this I know from ppl that played with her wonder how this will work out for minny lol



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If that's it, Minnesota loses.


+1

So when did it become en vogue to hate on D-Rob? I've always liked her game, especially her speed and length, and was thrilled when I heard the news. She isn't a shooter, but the Lynx don't really need one with Jones emerging.

But this is a all-star caliber player who is a very good defender, and who has led the league in assists before. Last year was a down year for her, but she was coming off injury and at 28 is in her prime and of age with Maya and Fowles.

But it's not just last season. She was pretty useless in 2015 as well (probably playing through injury a lot of the time, although she managed 30 games), then missed 2016, then had the season in Phoenix where she was either invisible or irrelevant virtually all year. How many years does it have to be until you're seriously worried that the previous version of the player just doesn't exist any more? A year ago Phoenix gave up the #5 pick and Izzy Harrison for her; now they've given her away (with a second-rounder thrown in) for the #12. That doesn't say anything good, either.

And while maybe the #12 wouldn't be worth much, maybe someone slips through that they liked (as often happens - Jones wasn't really supposed to be there last year). They just keep punting on youth, and making that eventual rebuild look more difficult. I understand "Win Now!", but there has to be some consideration of the future. And while Robinson's only 28, recent years would suggest she's an old 28. At this point, is she much better than a replacement-level guard they could've picked up off the street for free, or after they get cut by someone else in camp? Or even than Jones, whose minutes she's going to cut into?



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Because d-rob played worse than Bri January last year and didn't look the same as she was pre injury and Indiana will probably draft Lexie Brown who could end up better than both January and D-Rob.

If the choice was between January and D-Rob, then yes, the Lynx would have lost. January is a much safer choice and a great player.

But she wasn't what the Lynx gave up, and wasn't on the table for them, so it doesn't really matter. For the 12th pick she was a good trade, IMO, and if she returns to form in her second year back from what is typically thought of as a 2-year injury, she will have been a steal.



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Robinson's a bad fit with the Lynx.Unlike Montgomery,Danielle isn't a long range shooter.Fowles/Moore will see more double teams this upcoming season.


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Robinson's a bad fit with the Lynx.Unlike Montgomery,Danielle isn't a long range shooter.Fowles/Moore will see more double teams this upcoming season.

I think you got that backwards, provided she returns to form. She has the speed the Lynx have been missing to force defenses to collapse to free up shooters like Moore, or shift to bring help that frees up posts like Fowles. With Jones having a good outside shot to keep defenses honest, speed is what they need.



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Because d-rob played worse than Bri January last year and didn't look the same as she was pre injury and Indiana will probably draft Lexie Brown who could end up better than both January and D-Rob.

If the choice was between January and D-Rob, then yes, the Lynx would have lost. January is a much safer choice and a great player.

But she wasn't what the Lynx gave up, and wasn't on the table for them, so it doesn't really matter. For the 12th pick she was a good trade, IMO, and if she returns to form in her second year back from what is typically thought of as a 2-year injury, she will have been a steal.


I think you would be defending practically any move the Lynx make,
This looks like a bad move, d-rob is very close to done as a W player. Totally agree with richyyy.


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blaase22 wrote:
Because d-rob played worse than Bri January last year and didn't look the same as she was pre injury and Indiana will probably draft Lexie Brown who could end up better than both January and D-Rob.

If the choice was between January and D-Rob, then yes, the Lynx would have lost. January is a much safer choice and a great player.

But she wasn't what the Lynx gave up, and wasn't on the table for them, so it doesn't really matter. For the 12th pick she was a good trade, IMO, and if she returns to form in her second year back from what is typically thought of as a 2-year injury, she will have been a steal.


I think you would be defending practically any move the Lynx make,
This looks like a bad move, d-rob is very close to done as a W player. Totally agree with richyyy.


Why would you say she is pretty close to done...thanks expert...maybe all y'all give up on people say to easy.....she is on a championship team and the lynx don't need her to do much so the lynx will win this trade easily if she does enough to help them repeat



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blaase22 wrote:
Because d-rob played worse than Bri January last year and didn't look the same as she was pre injury and Indiana will probably draft Lexie Brown who could end up better than both January and D-Rob.

If the choice was between January and D-Rob, then yes, the Lynx would have lost. January is a much safer choice and a great player.

But she wasn't what the Lynx gave up, and wasn't on the table for them, so it doesn't really matter. For the 12th pick she was a good trade, IMO, and if she returns to form in her second year back from what is typically thought of as a 2-year injury, she will have been a steal.


I think you would be defending practically any move the Lynx make,
This looks like a bad move, d-rob is very close to done as a W player. Totally agree with richyyy.


You literally trash almost every move the Lynx make though.. Laughing


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I think you would be defending practically any move the Lynx make,
This looks like a bad move, d-rob is very close to done as a W player. Totally agree with richyyy.

This isn't so much about the Lynx as much as I have been a D-Rob fan for years. I wanted her a few years ago, so if anything I am biased by the player she was then and am not giving enough weight to her post-injury play. But even then, I think people are expecting her to have recovered quicker than it really takes for that type of injury.

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horrible minny lost in this trade
d-rob also is not an easy going teammate this I know from ppl that played with her wonder how this will work out for minny lol


Well they all work with her during TeamUSA camps, so you would think they’d know anything like that.



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PostPosted: 03/06/18 5:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As a Fever, fan I love this move. January has had a really good and under-rated career in Indiana, but she is close to retirement and slowing down. She has flirted with this season being her last one, and Fever won't be any good this season regardless of whether they have her. Moving on and getting what should be a young piece with potential is good for the future. Moving on and opening some backcourt space for Mitchell (presumably) to play a lot of minutes is good for the future.

If the 8 pick turns into someone who has a nice career this is a clear win for Indiana. That's a chance I am certainly happy to take.


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PostPosted: 03/06/18 5:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess you missed how thrilled I was to get the storm's 2019 first round pick for Howard.


mavcarter wrote:
blaase22 wrote:
justintyme wrote:
blaase22 wrote:
Because d-rob played worse than Bri January last year and didn't look the same as she was pre injury and Indiana will probably draft Lexie Brown who could end up better than both January and D-Rob.

If the choice was between January and D-Rob, then yes, the Lynx would have lost. January is a much safer choice and a great player.

But she wasn't what the Lynx gave up, and wasn't on the table for them, so it doesn't really matter. For the 12th pick she was a good trade, IMO, and if she returns to form in her second year back from what is typically thought of as a 2-year injury, she will have been a steal.


I think you would be defending practically any move the Lynx make,
This looks like a bad move, d-rob is very close to done as a W player. Totally agree with richyyy.


You literally trash almost every move the Lynx make though.. Laughing


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PostPosted: 03/06/18 5:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
As a Fever, fan I love this move. January has had a really good and under-rated career in Indiana, but she is close to retirement and slowing down. She has flirted with this season being her last one, and Fever won't be any good this season regardless of whether they have her. Moving on and getting what should be a young piece with potential is good for the future. Moving on and opening some backcourt space for Mitchell (presumably) to play a lot of minutes is good for the future.

If the 8 pick turns into someone who has a nice career this is a clear win for Indiana. That's a chance I am certainly happy to take.


Mercury did well too, clear upgrade over D-Rob and if they wanted Vadeeva all along she might be there at 12 :/


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PostPosted: 03/06/18 5:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

blaase22 wrote:
I guess you missed how thrilled I was to get the storm's 2019 first round pick for Howard.


Rookies are the only trades I've seen you accept. Razz Laughing


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PostPosted: 03/06/18 6:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

blaase22 wrote:
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Keeps the Lynx at or near the top again. I see the Lynx in the top 2 again. Sad


People said this when the Mercury got her last off season and she lost her starting spot to Mitchell:/ and didn't help them much at all.


I certainly hope you are right. I'm just not comfortable being in agreement with justintyme. Razz



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