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ArtBest23
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 Posted: 03/04/18 3:07 pm ::: Bubble buster results. |
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GWU kicks it off by Winning the A10. Dayton will still get a bid, GWU wouldn't have.
Someone lost their bubble spot.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 3:20 pm ::: Re: Bubble buster results. |
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GWU kicks it off by Winning the A10. Dayton will still get a bid, GWU wouldn't have.
Someone lost their bubble spot. |
What has Dayton done to get a bid?
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| Posted: 03/04/18 3:24 pm ::: Re: Bubble buster results. |
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GWU kicks it off by Winning the A10. Dayton will still get a bid, GWU wouldn't have.
Someone lost their bubble spot. |
What has Dayton done to get a bid? |
I'm still waiting for an answer to that one too.
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ArtBest23
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| Posted: 03/04/18 4:09 pm ::: Re: Bubble buster results. |
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GWU kicks it off by Winning the A10. Dayton will still get a bid, GWU wouldn't have.
Someone lost their bubble spot. |
What has Dayton done to get a bid? |
You can go back to the thread earlier this year about the reality that they were going to have to really reach to fill the 32 at large spots this year.
A 23-6 record, regular season championship, and RPI of 33 gets Dayton in without breaking a sweat. There are going to be a lot worse teams than that in the field.
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SpaceJunkie
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| Posted: 03/04/18 4:14 pm ::: Re: Bubble buster results. |
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| myrtle wrote: |
| ArtBest23 wrote: |
GWU kicks it off by Winning the A10. Dayton will still get a bid, GWU wouldn't have.
Someone lost their bubble spot. |
What has Dayton done to get a bid? |
You can go back to the thread earlier this year about the reality that they were going to have to really reach to fill the 32 at large spots this year.
A 23-6 record, regular season championship, and RPI of 33 gets Dayton in without breaking a sweat. There are going to be a lot worse teams than that in the field. |
I doubt it. Enough teams have stepped up since the beginning of the season that Dayton is outside of the 32 at-large spots to me.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 4:23 pm ::: |
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| esp. if you look at what that frigging rpi actually represents.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 4:24 pm ::: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 4:26 pm ::: |
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| Nice to see coach Rizzotti back in the dance. Should be a short stay as a 14-16 seed.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 4:27 pm ::: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year?
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| Posted: 03/04/18 4:48 pm ::: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year? |
So you think a bunch of crappy P5 teams like USC and Rutgers and UVA belong in instead? Because Creme says they're all in.
Heck Dayton beat UVA and has better numbers in every respect? Who are you going to take? Dayton or UVA?
USC's RPI is 49, they're 20-11, and they beat nobody. Why would they get in ahead of Dayton?
Just as I said in that mid season thread, there are going to be a lot of really shitty at-large teams in this field.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 5:07 pm ::: |
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| myrtle wrote: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year? |
So you think a bunch of crappy P5 teams like USC and Rutgers and UVA belong in instead? Because Creme says they're all in.
Heck Dayton beat UVA and has better numbers in every respect? Who are you going to take? Dayton or UVA?
USC's RPI is 49, they're 20-11, and they beat nobody. Why would they get in ahead of Dayton?
Just as I said in that mid season thread, there are going to be a lot of really shitty at-large teams in this field. |
Crappy P5 teams deserve to be in over crappier non-P5 teams and Dayton hasn't done anything to prove they aren't better than crappier.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 5:13 pm ::: |
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| myrtle wrote: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year? |
So you think a bunch of crappy P5 teams like USC and Rutgers and UVA belong in instead? Because Creme says they're all in.
Heck Dayton beat UVA and has better numbers in every respect? Who are you going to take? Dayton or UVA?
USC's RPI is 49, they're 20-11, and they beat nobody. Why would they get in ahead of Dayton?
Just as I said in that mid season thread, there are going to be a lot of really shitty at-large teams in this field. |
Crappy P5 teams deserve to be in over crappier non-P5 teams and Dayton hasn't done anything to prove they aren't better than crappier. |
Well actually they have.
I understand that you're desperate for crappy teams from the crappiest P5 conference to get in over the A10 regular season champion, but it's not going to happen.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 5:19 pm ::: |
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| SpaceJunkie wrote: |
| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| myrtle wrote: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year? |
So you think a bunch of crappy P5 teams like USC and Rutgers and UVA belong in instead? Because Creme says they're all in.
Heck Dayton beat UVA and has better numbers in every respect? Who are you going to take? Dayton or UVA?
USC's RPI is 49, they're 20-11, and they beat nobody. Why would they get in ahead of Dayton?
Just as I said in that mid season thread, there are going to be a lot of really shitty at-large teams in this field. |
Crappy P5 teams deserve to be in over crappier non-P5 teams and Dayton hasn't done anything to prove they aren't better than crappier. |
Well actually they have.
I understand that you're desperate for crappy teams from the crappiest P5 conference to get in over the A10 regular season champion, but it's not going to happen. |
Since when, by itself, has winning the regular season title in the 12th best conference (RPI, etc) meant or proven anything?
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IM in OC
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| Posted: 03/04/18 5:59 pm ::: |
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| myrtle wrote: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year? |
So you think a bunch of crappy P5 teams like USC and Rutgers and UVA belong in instead? Because Creme says they're all in.
Heck Dayton beat UVA and has better numbers in every respect? Who are you going to take? Dayton or UVA?
USC's RPI is 49, they're 20-11, and they beat nobody. Why would they get in ahead of Dayton?
Just as I said in that mid season thread, there are going to be a lot of really shitty at-large teams in this field. |
Daytons only Top 50 win is vs Virginia who may or may not make the tournament. They have no other significant wins on their resume.
Dayton has 10 wins vs teams whose RPI is close to or over 200. They have one loss to a team whose RPI is 121 in St. Louis
USC has 2 wins over top 50 teams who both will be in the tournament in OSU and ASU.
USC has 6 wins vs teams over 200 RPI
USC has zero bad losses. Their worst loss is to Cal twice at RPI 44.
8 of USC's 11 losses have come to teams with current RPI's of 15 or better. The other 3 are to Cal twice and OSU
USC has basically played the whole season with 6 players.
IMO, that Trumps(hate to use that word nowadays) anything that Dayton has put up.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 6:15 pm ::: |
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| Yep agreed Dayton doesn't make it over usc.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 6:24 pm ::: |
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| Yep agreed Dayton doesn't make it over usc. |
I'd agree also. Whenever this comes up, I'm always reminded of the Wichita St. volleyball team. Went 27 and 2 their best season. Failed to win their tournament in the championship round. Was never invited that year to the NCAA's. rpi doesn't mean a whole lot to committees, big conferences, money and ratings do._________________ If you cannot inspire yourself to read a book about women's basketball, or any book about women's sports, you cannot inspire any young girl or boy to write a book about them. http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Richardstrek |
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| Posted: 03/04/18 6:29 pm ::: |
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| Yep agreed Dayton doesn't make it over usc. |
I'd agree also. Whenever this comes up, I'm always reminded of the Wichita St. volleyball team. Went 27 and 2 their best season. Failed to win their tournament in the championship round. Was never invited that year to the NCAA's. rpi doesn't mean a whole lot to committees, big conferences, money and ratings do. |
Nah its quality wins which matter most.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 6:33 pm ::: |
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| Yep agreed Dayton doesn't make it over usc. |
I'd agree also. Whenever this comes up, I'm always reminded of the Wichita St. volleyball team. Went 27 and 2 their best season. Failed to win their tournament in the championship round. Was never invited that year to the NCAA's. rpi doesn't mean a whole lot to committees, big conferences, money and ratings do. |
Nah its quality wins which matter most. |
That too... Still, a 27-2 or similar record in a smaller conference, no matter which sport, doesn't guarantee you a spot in the big tournament._________________ If you cannot inspire yourself to read a book about women's basketball, or any book about women's sports, you cannot inspire any young girl or boy to write a book about them. http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Richardstrek |
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| Posted: 03/04/18 7:42 pm ::: |
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| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| myrtle wrote: |
| PRballer wrote: |
| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year? |
So you think a bunch of crappy P5 teams like USC and Rutgers and UVA belong in instead? Because Creme says they're all in.
Heck Dayton beat UVA and has better numbers in every respect? Who are you going to take? Dayton or UVA?
USC's RPI is 49, they're 20-11, and they beat nobody. Why would they get in ahead of Dayton?
Just as I said in that mid season thread, there are going to be a lot of really shitty at-large teams in this field. |
Daytons only Top 50 win is vs Virginia who may or may not make the tournament. They have no other significant wins on their resume.
Dayton has 10 wins vs teams whose RPI is close to or over 200. They have one loss to a team whose RPI is 121 in St. Louis
USC has 2 wins over top 50 teams who both will be in the tournament in OSU and ASU.
USC has 6 wins vs teams over 200 RPI
USC has zero bad losses. Their worst loss is to Cal twice at RPI 44.
8 of USC's 11 losses have come to teams with current RPI's of 15 or better. The other 3 are to Cal twice and OSU
USC has basically played the whole season with 6 players.
IMO, that Trumps(hate to use that word nowadays) anything that Dayton has put up. |
The only quibble I have with this is that ASU is not a top 50 win. When you take that out of consideration, do you punish a Dayton team for playing in a weaker conference and not having the opportunity to lose to the same teams that Southern Cal did? The biggest difference between the resumes is that loss to St. Louis. Dayton did try to schedule tough in playing some of the best mid-majors in the country in Quinnipiac, South Florida, and Green Bay. Losses to Toledo and St. Louis are concerning, but this is still a very good Dayton squad. I think their H2H win over Virginia helps them as they await the bubble decision.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 8:32 pm ::: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year? |
You can look at the 7th and 8th place teams in the SEC & ACC and won't see many impressive wins either but they'll get in by their RPI' & SOS. I say the benefit of any doubt should go to the mid-majors. Everyone looks at their schedules but it isn't so easy to get P5 schools you have a shot at beating play you. And impossible to get them in your house for a game.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 8:40 pm ::: |
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In terms of bubble bursting here's what I see as the important results:
Green Bay wins the Horizon League Tournament.
South Dakota State wins the Summitt. (I don't think South Dakota is worthy for an at large.)
Quinnipiac beats Marist or the MAAC may become a two-bid league.
Buffalo or Central Michigan win the MAC.
UConn or South Florida win the American
Jury is still out on the Big East.
Princeton with an RPI of 29, but the loss to Yale and the best win being over Quinnipiac means they are likely on the outside looking in if they lose in the Ivy League Tournament.
The WCC results probably don't matter, as Gonzaga doesn't look like they have enough for an at large.
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| Posted: 03/04/18 9:36 pm ::: |
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| IM in OC wrote: |
| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| myrtle wrote: |
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| Dayton gets in based on RPI. The A-10 isn’t a one bid league. |
who did they beat that makes them in? What did anybody else in the A10 do to make them a multiple bid conference this year? |
So you think a bunch of crappy P5 teams like USC and Rutgers and UVA belong in instead? Because Creme says they're all in.
Heck Dayton beat UVA and has better numbers in every respect? Who are you going to take? Dayton or UVA?
USC's RPI is 49, they're 20-11, and they beat nobody. Why would they get in ahead of Dayton?
Just as I said in that mid season thread, there are going to be a lot of really shitty at-large teams in this field. |
Daytons only Top 50 win is vs Virginia who may or may not make the tournament. They have no other significant wins on their resume.
Dayton has 10 wins vs teams whose RPI is close to or over 200. They have one loss to a team whose RPI is 121 in St. Louis
USC has 2 wins over top 50 teams who both will be in the tournament in OSU and ASU.
USC has 6 wins vs teams over 200 RPI
USC has zero bad losses. Their worst loss is to Cal twice at RPI 44.
8 of USC's 11 losses have come to teams with current RPI's of 15 or better. The other 3 are to Cal twice and OSU
USC has basically played the whole season with 6 players.
IMO, that Trumps(hate to use that word nowadays) anything that Dayton has put up. |
The only quibble I have with this is that ASU is not a top 50 win. When you take that out of consideration, do you punish a Dayton team for playing in a weaker conference and not having the opportunity to lose to the same teams that Southern Cal did? The biggest difference between the resumes is that loss to St. Louis. Dayton did try to schedule tough in playing some of the best mid-majors in the country in Quinnipiac, South Florida, and Green Bay. Losses to Toledo and St. Louis are concerning, but this is still a very good Dayton squad. I think their H2H win over Virginia helps them as they await the bubble decision. |
They beat ASU when they were ranked #24 in AP and I am pretty certain their RPI was better than the 52 it is today. Either way ASU is in the tournament and so is OSU. Right now Dayton does not have a win over a team that "is" in and has a bad loss on their record and the loss was late in the season too. Plus the loss to GW, who was 16-13 going into that game and with a 89 RPI. They lost to a 5 seed in the A-10 Tournament and USC lost by 10 to the #2 seed in the Pac12. Which team seems like a better fit to play against the Top 64 teams?
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| Posted: 03/05/18 11:52 am ::: |
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| I think Nova had their bubble busted last night by Georgetown.
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| Posted: 03/05/18 1:12 pm ::: |
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| I think Nova had their bubble busted last night by Georgetown. |
Villanova is still safely in.
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| Posted: 03/05/18 6:11 pm ::: |
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| I think Nova had their bubble busted last night by Georgetown. |
Villanova is still safely in. |
I would think both 'nova and creighton will be holding their breaths on Monday because I don't think either are clearly in....other than I guess we have to fill up those 64 slots somehow.
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